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THis is my last Smoky post ever so I am going to try and make it good. Those guys were cheaters. Did they have great athletes? Yes. Did they cheat? YES! Marshall lost Floyd Wooten, a key defensive back for the team, to grades just before the matchup with Carter. Did Marshall play him against Carter? No, and it was the RB for Carter (who was ineligible) that caught the pass late in the game to move them into position to take the lead with just 8 seconds left in the game. The guy who was supposed to be in position to cover him? You guessed it: Floyd Wooten. One team cheated, was CAUGHT cheating, and the judge allowed them to cheat their way to the state championship. One team played fair and got beat in the final seconds of one of the all time great HS football games ever. Did they get justice? No. How clear cut can it be? The victim here is Marshall because they were ROBBED of their rightful shot at a State Championship! Carter was later stipped of their championship, and wins were given back to Permian and Marshall, and the championship was given to Converse Judson. Converse Judson could not have held either Permian or Marshall's jock strap that year. Marshall had beaten Permian in a non-district game earlier in the season and with the forfeit of Carter will go down as the ONLY undefeated team in the history of modern Texas High School football to be undefeated and not win the State championship. Later, several Carter "stars" went to jail because they were holding up fast food restaurants. Yes, armed robbery. Several very talented guys who had major scholarships to play football were locked up for years, never to play again. What were they being taught on that playoff run? That if you are good, you can break the rules and get away with it. That it is fun to get away with as much as you can. Should we blame the kids? Yes, the ones who were doing wrong, but we also should blame the people around them at that time that provided them with the example. Coaches, administrators, etc. The only credit should go to the teacher who blew the whistle on the cheating. I have no idea what happend to that teacher. I wish I knew. Today's Dallas Carter is nowhere near like the Carter of 1988. They have responsible coaches. THey have good kids that work hard. The program is clean from all I know. I dont "hate" Dallas Carter, but nothing but shame should ever surround that 1988 team. Nothing. There were probably some real good kids on that team, and it is sad for them that they will forever be a part of the most embarrasing and disgusting display of cheating ever in Texas HS football history. I never liked Longview, and beating them in 1988 was great. We stomped them and took out as much frustration as we could on them for years worth of losses. I have no love for Longview, but I still dislike Carter more, so I will sit on the Longview side and see what happens. Hopefully, Longview gets one more win this season. Football Crazy

No, you are quoted above as saying "constructive feedback". Those two are not the same. Criticism is not the same as "feedback". It looks like you are the one who needs to read your own posts carefully. Fan support does not win games. Players and coaches win games. Should some of the comments prior to the game have been more positive? Maybe. Would it have helped tonight? It does not look like it would have. Texas High is a talented team. Football Crazy

And further, it is part of life for people to be critical. What are we teaching kids who are in the spotlight if we try and say that people can not be reasonably (the key being in the definition of the word "reasonable") critical because it might hurt their self esteem? Look at Colt McCoy... do you think all Longhorn fans all praised his every move over the last three years? What about Stephen McGee? Lots of criticism for him from his own fan base, and not all of the bad things that have happened were even HIS FAULT! What do we teach kids if we draw a line in the sand and say that ONLY positive comments are allowed...? What do we imply to coaches if their actions are never evaluated critically? Now, dont get me wrong: I do not think every tom, dick, and harry should start vomiting negative thoughts on their HS teams all over Smoaky. That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that if someone makes a post that points out a problem/criticism, and it is done in the right spirit and not in a petty or ugly tone, and it is constructive... that should not be a problem. Of course, being anonymous is not a license to say anything that you would not say with your real name right beside or under the post. If you use that as a guide, then you should be OK with what you post. Football Crazy

I call Bull on that. I have a son who plays sports for WH. If he stinks on ice, I would not think twice about coming on this very forum and being critical of his performance along with the analysis of the other members of the team. AND, I would let him read it too, but before I did, I would probably tell him verbally what I thought before he read it on here. I am not posting on here for his benefit, I am posting on here to have fun and discuss sports and it would be done anonymously. You can be positive and you can be critical and still be a fan. If you are ONLY critical, then I would question your motives, but the guy you are questioning is NOT overly critical of WH. Football Crazy

Sweet. Do you prefer the shaving cream tickle trick or the hand in warm water trick? Gates will open around 6:30 I think. Football Crazy

Great. I plan to come by about 3:00 in the morning and film a "documentary"... it will be kinda like the "Messin with Sasquatch" commercials. Football Crazy

Let's get this straight. If Coach McFarlin "dodged" anyone, he dodged Mallett. Mallett does not play for Texas High anymore. Further, if Coach McFarlin did dodge Mallett, then I for one would not blame him. He was truely a once in a lifetime talent at QB. Now, I watched that team that year in the playoffs and I will give you my (unsolicited) honest opinion: The talent around him was not "elite" level on offense. They were pretty good, but they did not rise to the level that Mallett played at that year. Had they matched his talent, then Texas High would have won state no doubt. But, as I always say, the past does not matter. It really doesnt. For one, many of the kids on Texas High's team were not even playing varsity then. Anyway, WH should know that the past does not matter first hand because I really think it almost cost us the game vs Jacksonville this year, and I believe it cost us vs Nac. You cant go into a game thinking you have it won just because you have been better than the other team in the past. The past means nothing except something to look at in the trophy case and those trophies wont win this Friday's game. Both teams will be ready, I believe, but the flat out truth of the matter is this: If WH can not stop the run, then we will likely get beat. Coach McFarlin is a defensive coach by trade. I expect him to have his boys ready. Football Crazy

It will not hold that many, and I dont know that you bring that many to Tyler anyway. I was at the Marshall playoff game in Tyler last year on a Satruday afternoon and I doubt you had more than 1,500 counting the band. Football Crazy

We are simply going to have to score EVERY time we have the ball. Every time, and hope we have the ball last. Could we do it...? Yes. Will we... unknown. Football Crazy

Some people apparently will believe anything they read on the internet. The biggest "change" that the coaches needed to make was to jump the kids and chew their butts out. What we saw last week was uninspired play. This SR class has few players, and I am sorry to say that the ones they have do not appear to be capable of motivating the team on their own. If you lack a strong core of Sr leadership, and WH obviously does because of all the Jrs and Sophs starting, then the coaches gotta jump em and start screaming and yelling. I am sorry to say that, because I actually dont find that kind of coaching preferrable, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Then, if you dont get the response you are looking for, you start sitting guys. Nobody really wants that. I think we are a better team than we were vs Nac, and I think the coaches can't rely on players just making it happen on their own. The coaches are in a position that they have not been in for a few years: they are going to have to motivate the kids instead of being managers of kids and the game. Football Crazy

I have a different take. They probably cheered the big hit. I dont blame them for that, had we KO'd Reddic with a great hit I would have shouted "YES!" myself. I see no problem with that. Now, if they cheered once the trainer is headed out from the sidelines then that is different. THat would be poor sportsmanship. Who cares about all that though now? We got games in two days and I would rather talk about that anyway. Whitehouse knows that we will get a bad rap by now. Dont mean we wont call someone out when they slam us for nothing, but we expect it. It is better to be hated than ignored. Football Crazy

Hm... I guess I should start going to basketball games more often. The ones that I have been to though, nothing like this happened. In fact, I was at the Jville vs WH basketball game last year and remember you or someone else talking about this parent who cussed a player, but I never saw or heard anthing like that and I was sitting on the bench side pretty close. I have seen Jville fans arrested for fighting at the Jville gym at an 8th grade game a couple of years ago. They were fighting each other though... I think it is easy to talk about "bad fans" but I have not heard many specifics yet like "it happened this year in this gym", etc. Lots of "one time this happened" stuff. Not many specifics. As for "act like you been there", I am not going to say much about that. You Kilgore fans enjoy this year and I hope you continue to be in 4A for at least the season of 2010. Football Crazy

Then you missed the thread where the Kilgore posters complimented the WH players for their sportsmanship after the game. I know that it is not posters, but it is something. Honestly, I cant think of any habitually bad posters from WH on here. Football Crazy

I have never seen anything like that. It seems that unless he was down on the sidelines nobody on the field would hear it. The stands are a long way away from the field at WH. Was it at some other stadium or location? At least give me a year and location for my reference. Anyway, I cant speak for basketball. I usually dont go to many basketball games. Football Crazy

Why? What have WH fans done to deserve a bad rap? We get constantly slandered on here, and when we speak up then we get a bad rap. Why do we have to just lie down and take abuse? A perfect example is the post above. He puts a quote from me and says this is an example of my posts, but leaves out his post that I was responding to in order to make it look one sided. Either way, I dont care. This forum is free and I got some time. Football Crazy