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I haven't heard anyone respond to Colmes about why they don't still offer animal sacrifices since the bible (OT) commands it...
Don't hold your breath waiting........they refuse to rightly handle God's Word.......
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I see Kirt has been to his weekly brainwashing session......l.
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Thanks for all of the updates......
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I don't need to get into a scripture posting contest with you. I have already seen what you have posted and I disagree with your application of that scripture in the examples you have tried to use to sells it ... the scriptures are accurate and I believe and understand their meaning ... I'm just not buying your "snake oil" application to the examples we have discussed ...
Translation: you don't have a clue........
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Your "snake oil" isn't selling, nobody is buying it .... I will put my trust in the Word of God, prayer, the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the counsel of many other respected Christians ....
Enjoy that wide path to the broad gate........I'll obey God......
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Members of the Lord's Church are often condemned by those on the outside as being Pharisees and legalistic. I'd like to ask them, what exactly were the Pharisees condemned so vocally by Jesus for doing? Do any of you guys really know the answer? It wasn't for being legalistic. It wasn't for teaching a strict adherence to the Law. The Pharisees were condemned for being hypocrites. They weren't condemned for legalism, they were condemned for hypocrisy. They weren't condemned for teaching a strict adherence to the Law. They were condemned for not practicing what they were preaching. Hear what the Lord said about them.
Matthew 23:1-4English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.
Notice verse 3. He tells the Jews to do what they say, meaning He isn't condemning them for what they taught. They are clearly not condemned for "legalism" or for a strict teaching of the Law. What does He condemn them for? For not practicing what they preached. The rest of the chapter goes on to detail their hypocrisy.
Matthew 23:5-36English Standard Version (ESV)
5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi[a] by others. 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[c] 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[d] as yourselves.
16 Woe to you, blind guides, who say, If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath. 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath. 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets. 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[e] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation
So when you are called a Pharisee because you are strictly following Jesus commands, ask your accusers this and take the time to explain the REAL reason that the Pharisees were condemned so vocally by Jesus.
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I have but you are blinded by your own human interests. The scriptures you have posted in an attempt to vilify voting, baptism and musical instruments in worship services do no such thing. Your feeble attempt to use scripture to condemn and judge others are just your radical interpretations of God's Word. I read God's Word and am led by the Holy Spirit and don't attempt to make it say something other than where he is leading me ....
You haven't posted any scripture that I can recall.......
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The Holy Spirit let me know that it was good and wholesome, thus pleasing to God.
You must not have read the lesson on how the Holy Spirit works on us today......through the Word, and the Word has not a single instrument mentioned in use for New Testament worship........
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I have no problem with any scriptures and posting more scriptures won't resolve your problem, the scriptures aren't the issue ....
More??? You have yet to post any at all.......and you haven't elaborated on how I've misrepresented them........
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I have no problem with God's Word, the scriptures aren't the issue ....
Yes, they are......you claim I've misrepresented them........back it up.......
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Fine, You go with your misrepresentations ....
You have yet to show how anything I've said is misrepresenting what God said.......your opinion is irrelevant.......let's hear some scripture.......
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God is not saying the same things you are with your misrepresentations ...
Care to elaborate, or should we just take it as a given that you know more than God does about what He's saying......
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I'm not the only one "claiming" you are wrong, most Christians disagree with your legalistic interpretations ...
You stick with that majority and see how that works out.......I'll go with the minority.......
Matthew 7:13-14English Standard Version (ESV)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
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Great scripture, I agree with it 100%, just not buying your misrepresentations ...
Stay with the majority who refuse to obey God and you'll find out come judgment day who is and who is not misrepresenting them......
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You have cut and pasted scripture and misrepresented it with your flawed application ... baptism, musical instruments, voting ....
So you claim, but I have yet to see you show anything to back it up.......
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You have cut and pasted scripture and misrepresented it with your flawed application ... baptism, musical instruments, voting .... few agree with your flawed representations ...
I'm glad to be with the FEW.....
Matthew 7:13-14English Standard Version (ESV)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few
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You're right. Here's some responses from schools in SETX. Dr Caveness of Port Neches-Groves is one in particular I enjoyed.http://www.12newsnow.com/story/31967122/setx-school-districts-statement-on-obama-directive-on-transgender-students
I won't tell you what our supe said about it, but I notice it didn't get printed in the paper.......:lol:
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Then you are still ignoring the earlier verses that I quoted.
I am not going to get too much more into this, but the Church of Christ has some pretty contradictary teachings if you are looking at the word of God as compared to their beliefs...
I didn't ignore it, I responded to it on page 1....
Nothing that those of us who are the Lords Church practice and believe is contradictory to anything in the Word of God......
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Acts 2:38English Standard Version (ESV)
38 And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The gift of the Holy Spirit is promised to those who, being believers, have repented and been baptized for the forgiveness of our sins. What is the promised gift of the Holy Spirit? It is the cleansing of our past sins from our souls when we obey the command to be baptized.
Romans 6:1-11English Standard Version (ESV)
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 2:11-14English Standard Version (ESV)
11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Titus 3:4-7English Standard Version (ESV)
4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
We are told that if the Holy Spirit dwells within us, that is verification of our salvation.
Ephesians 1:13-14English Standard Version (ESV)
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[a] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory
1 John 3:24English Standard Version (ESV)
24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
So, the Holy Spirit abides in those who do what God says to do......How does God speak to us today? How has God told us today what we are to do? How do we today know the commandments of God? We know them through His Word.
Hebrews 1:1-2English Standard Version (ESV)
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Jesus is the Word.
John 1:1-18English Standard Version (ESV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.
9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own, and his own people[c] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, This was he of whom I said, He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.) 16 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.[d] 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God,[e] who is at the Father's side,[f] he has made him known.
Jesus told the Apostles that they would be given the Holy Spirit to reveal His teachings to the world.
John 14:26English Standard Version (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 15:26English Standard Version (ESV)
26 But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
So the Holy Spirit was going to aid the Apostles in revealing Gods Word to the world. He did that by allowing them to remember all that had happened during Jesus ministry and aiding them in recording it for us.
2 Peter 1:16-21English Standard Version (ESV)
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased, 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 3:15-16English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures
The Apostles and New Testament prophets fully revealed Gods Word to the world in the first century when they had completed writing what the Holy Spirit had revealed to them.
Jude 3English Standard Version (ESV)
3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
To show that the things being taught by the Apostles and prophets were true, God blessed them with miraculous abilities through the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:17-18English Standard Version (ESV)
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.
Once the Word was fully revealed, these miracles were no longer needed, so they ceased.
1 Corinthians 13:8-13English Standard Version (ESV)
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Yet we are told that the Holy Spirit dwells within us, if we are obedient to Him. (I John 3:24). So how does the Holy Spirit dwell in us today? How does the Holy Spirit convict us of our sins today?
Hebrews 10:15-17English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,
17 then he adds,
I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.
James 1:21English Standard Version (ESV)
21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
We are told that Gods laws will be put on our hearts and on our minds. That happens when we HEAR Gods Word proclaimed and BELIEVE what He said.
Romans 10:14-17English Standard Version (ESV)
14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[a] And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us? 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Faith, belief, trust in God comes not from some miraculous touch of the Holy Spirit directly on you. God tells us faith comes from HEARING the Word. The only conclusion we can reach from this, then, is that the Holy Spirit works to convict us of our sins through the Word.
Once we BELIEVE His Word, once we trust what He said to do, we do it. What did He say to do?
We must repent of our past sins.
2 Corinthians 7:10English Standard Version (ESV)
10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
Repentance is more than just saying "I'm sorry". Repentance is completely changing your life by ceasing to sin. The Holy Spirit AIDS us in this through our study of Gods Word.
John 5:37-40English Standard Version (ESV)
37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38 and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
We search the scriptures to find out how to come to Him and have eternal life. We search the scriptures to find out how to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit. The scriptures have power, then. The scriptures have the power of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 18:28English Standard Version (ESV)
28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4English Standard Version (ESV)
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
The scriptures tell us that to come in to Christ, to be saved, we must CONFESS our belief that He is the Son of God publicly.
Matthew 10:32-33English Standard Version (ESV)
32 So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, 33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
The scriptures teach us that we must be BAPTIZED, immersed in water, to have our past sins washed away.
Mark 16:15-16English Standard Version (ESV)
15 And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
We are baptized in the name of (by the authority of) the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28:19-20English Standard Version (ESV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the
We are then to learn to observe, to obey, all that He has commanded. How do we learn all that He has commanded? Through His revealed Word which is the work of the Holy Spirit. When we do that, when we obey God, the Holy Spirit dwells in us.
1 Corinthians 6:19English Standard Version (ESV)
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
The Holy Spirit is the guarantee of our salvation.
Ephesians 1:13-14English Standard Version (ESV)
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
How does He do this? He does this through the Word.
1 Thessalonians 1:4-7English Standard Version (ESV)
4 For we know, brothers[a] loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5 because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. 6 And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with the joy of the Holy Spirit, 7 so that you became an example to all the believers in Macedonia and in Achaia.
2 Peter 1:21English Standard Version (ESV)
21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
When we obey God, we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, a soul cleansing. When we obey God, the Holy Spirit dwells in us through the Word, which He uses to convict us of our sins.
Ephesians 6:17English Standard Version (ESV)
17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
Hebrews 4:12English Standard Version (ESV)
12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
The Holy Spirit dwells within each of us who are obedient disciples through The Word. The Word dwells in our hearts through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts through the Word.
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8 But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
1 Corinthians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[a]
Colossians 3:16English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
1 John 1:10English Standard Version (ESV)
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 2:14English Standard Version (ESV)
14 I write to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you,
and you have overcome the evil one.
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