85lobo Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Here are the stats posted on the Texas Ranger page on ESPN. I just don't see where Smoak in an improvement over Davis. His average is slipping almost daily now. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=tex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Here are the stats posted on the Texas Ranger page on ESPN. I just don't see where Smoak in an improvement over Davis. His average is slipping almost daily now. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=tex How dare you not buy into the hype!!! LOL...it's funny to read the facebook posts on the Rangers' page. Those people are just giddy over how Smoak is playing. To them, he's not a potential Mickey Mantle, he is already his superior. It's just crazy. One guy described his play from last nights game as "wow!" I just don't see where all the hype is coming from. From what I can see on the field and the numbers I can see from the minor leagues....Smoak is the third best Rangers' first base prospect behind Davis and Chad Tracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevosev7 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Do we not remember the poor play by the team when Texiera was here that could be directly attributed to the poor clubhouse attitude because of him? I sure do. whats our record since smoak came up? here is a stat for you...WINS...6-9 and last place in the division in the first 15 games where davis was our first baseman. 8-3 since smoak has been called up. and now currently in 1st. is it all because of smoak? no, of course not. Even though justin smoak is only batting .176, Davis wasn't hitting above .200 either. however, smoaks OBP is 62 points higher than Davis'. And for goodness sakes, the guy has 1 error this year. sure it hurt us, but michael young made two clostly errors in a game, elvis andrus has made an error that cost us a game...whose callin for them to be replaced? *crickets* Fact is...you get on base more, you have a better chance to score runs. justin smoak gets on base more than chris davis...thus, the choice is simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Here are the stats posted on the Texas Ranger page on ESPN. I just don't see where Smoak in an improvement over Davis. His average is slipping almost daily now. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=tex Lets See...Smoak is producing more runs..scoring more..walking more all in less at bats.has a better OBP and slugging I like Chris Davis alot and hope he gets it turned around, but this is two seasons in a row he has come out of the gate not just slumping but down right terrible...I hope him going back down will help but as I said before he looks like he might be basically a AAAA guy..to good for AAA not a consistent enough bat for the majors. I hope I am wrong And those claiming some of us are buying into the hype..maybe..but I think your because Davis is from Longview/East Texas are defending him way more than you would someone else who would have his numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 whats our record since smoak came up? here is a stat for you...WINS...6-9 and last place in the division in the first 15 games where davis was our first baseman. 8-3 since smoak has been called up. and now currently in 1st. is it all because of smoak? no, of course not. Even though justin smoak is only batting .176, Davis wasn't hitting above .200 either. however, smoaks OBP is 62 points higher than Davis'. And for goodness sakes, the guy has 1 error this year. sure it hurt us, but michael young made two clostly errors in a game, elvis andrus has made an error that cost us a game...whose callin for them to be replaced? *crickets* Fact is...you get on base more, you have a better chance to score runs. justin smoak gets on base more than chris davis...thus, the choice is simple. Committing errors and causing errors are 2 different things. Young's two errors you mention wouldn't have been errors with a capable first baseman. Also, the wins since Smoak's arrival have NOTHING to do with Smoak. Also, your basing his numbers simply on the first 48 bats of the season. Compare everyting each player has done. Davis is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevosev7 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Committing errors and causing errors are 2 different things. Young's two errors you mention wouldn't have been errors with a capable first baseman. Also, the wins since Smoak's arrival have NOTHING to do with Smoak. Also, your basing his numbers simply on the first 48 bats of the season. Compare everyting each player has done. Davis is better. really? how about first, as a professional ball player, make a decent throw. second...it does have to do with smoak because he is GETTING ON BASE AND DRIVING IN MORE RUNS!!! is that not ironic to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 And those claiming some of us are buying into the hype..maybe..but I think your because Davis is from Longview/East Texas are defending him way more than you would someone else who would have his numbers Absolutely not. I haven't liked Smoak since since he was drafted then held out on the team. I don't like him because he doesn't want to be here. I don't like him because I know he's using this team as a stepping stone to go elsewhere. I don't like Smoak because his hype got him called up before a player with superior numbers and superior defense (Chad Tracy). I don't like Smoak because he is a two tool player (in the minors at that). He can't run, he can't throw, and he can't play defense. I DO like Davis because he is and always has been a Ranger. I like Davis because there are not many players in the league with as much pop in their bats as he has. Davis is a good teammate and a good baseball player who can do it at the plate and in the field. Most of Davis' time in the big leagues has been with him playing good. The first half last season and his first 48 at bats this season have been his only troubles. I already mentioned that he was coming out of his slump when they sent him down. So no need to go into that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 really? how about first, as a professional ball player, make a decent throw. second...it does have to do with smoak because he is GETTING ON BASE AND DRIVING IN MORE RUNS!!! is that not ironic to you? Okay...let's not get crazy. He has 5 RBIs. None of those were mandatory to win any of the games. Also, when a player has to hurry a throw or throw all the way across the diamond, sometimes that throw is not going to be perfect. A baseball PLAYER on first base makes it a lot easier for all the infielders because they are not sitting there thinking on every play that their throw has to be PERFECT because they know the spare player who is just thrown on first base because there is no where else to put him on the field is NOT going catch it if not right in the chest. Having to focus on perfection causes lots of errors. Right now, the whole Ranger infield knows they have to be perfect and don't think that doesn't cross their minds on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Absolutely not. I haven't liked Smoak since since he was drafted then held out on the team. I don't like him because he doesn't want to be here. I don't like him because I know he's using this team as a stepping stone to go elsewhere. I don't like Smoak because his hype got him called up before a player with superior numbers and superior defense (Chad Tracy). I don't like Smoak because he is a two tool player (in the minors at that). He can't run, he can't throw, and he can't play defense. I DO like Davis because he is and always has been a Ranger. I like Davis because there are not many players in the league with as much pop in their bats as he has. Davis is a good teammate and a good baseball player who can do it at the plate and in the field. Most of Davis' time in the big leagues has been with him playing good. The first half last season and his first 48 at bats this season have been his only troubles. I already mentioned that he was coming out of his slump when they sent him down. So no need to go into that again. Not sure where ur getting he was coming out of his slump He was 3 for his last 19 with 8 strikeouts NO runs scored..NO RBI..in fact he had more strike outs in those 19 at bats than Smoak does in 34 at bats as far as Smoak not wanting to be here..how do we know that? HIS AGENT felt he should get top 5 money because he was rated that. Just how it is in baseball these days. Does not speak of his desire to be a Ranger or a Yankee or anything like that in that draft 8 of the first round picks waited not just him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Not sure where ur getting he was coming out of his slump He was 3 for his last 19 with 8 strikeouts NO runs scored..NO RBI..in fact he had more strike outs in those 19 at bats than Smoak does in 34 at bats as far as Smoak not wanting to be here..how do we know that? HIS AGENT felt he should get top 5 money because he was rated that. Just how it is in baseball these days. Does not speak of his desire to be a Ranger or a Yankee or anything like that in that draft 8 of the first round picks waited not just him Davis had started popping the ball. Yes, he strikes out. I don't like that either. But I'll take strikeouts and superior defense over a person who may walk a little more but can't catch. However, Davis has historically shown that he can produce a highr OBP than Smoak and a MUCH higher OPS. I have no sympathy for a hold out. Agent or not, he has the right to override him. He's a two tool rookie coming out of college. A two tool player has no right to demand anything. If you're drafted. Go. If not, wait till next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Davis had started popping the ball. Yes, he strikes out. I don't like that either. But I'll take strikeouts and superior defense over a person who may walk a little more but can't catch. However, Davis has historically shown that he can produce a highr OBP than Smoak and a MUCH higher OPS. I have no sympathy for a hold out. Agent or not, he has the right to override him. He's a two tool rookie coming out of college. A two tool player has no right to demand anything. If you're drafted. Go. If not, wait till next season. Popping the ball? I guess since 2 of his 3 of his hits IN 19 at bats were doubles he was popping the ball As far as Smoak's tools coming out of college Smoak was touted, early and often, by scouts as one of the best defensive first basemen in the 2008 draft.[8][9] Some scouts compared Smoak to fellow switch hitters Mark Teixeira and Chipper Jones.[10] Baseball America wrote that, as a first baseman, Smoak had "Gold Glove-caliber actions and soft hands", as well as "advanced footwork and instincts at first base", though they wrote that he had merely adequate arm strength.[5] Nonetheless, several scouting reports wrote that Smoak's biggest strength was his ability to hit for both power and average on both sides of the plate.[5][8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Smoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lobo Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Absolutely not. I haven't liked Smoak since since he was drafted then held out on the team. I don't like him because he doesn't want to be here. I don't like him because I know he's using this team as a stepping stone to go elsewhere. I don't like Smoak because his hype got him called up before a player with superior numbers and superior defense (Chad Tracy). I don't like Smoak because he is a two tool player (in the minors at that). He can't run, he can't throw, and he can't play defense. I DO like Davis because he is and always has been a Ranger. I like Davis because there are not many players in the league with as much pop in their bats as he has. Davis is a good teammate and a good baseball player who can do it at the plate and in the field. Most of Davis' time in the big leagues has been with him playing good. The first half last season and his first 48 at bats this season have been his only troubles. I already mentioned that he was coming out of his slump when they sent him down. So no need to go into that again. Well said Five0. I swear I had heard the term "defense wins championships" somehwere before. Maybe I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Popping the ball? I guess since 2 of his 3 of his hits IN 19 at bats were doubles he was popping the ball As far as Smoak's tools coming out of college Smoak was touted, early and often, by scouts as one of the best defensive first basemen in the 2008 draft.[8][9] Some scouts compared Smoak to fellow switch hitters Mark Teixeira and Chipper Jones.[10] Baseball America wrote that, as a first baseman, Smoak had "Gold Glove-caliber actions and soft hands", as well as "advanced footwork and instincts at first base", though they wrote that he had merely adequate arm strength.[5] Nonetheless, several scouting reports wrote that Smoak's biggest strength was his ability to hit for both power and average on both sides of the plate.[5][8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Smoak Good for baseball America. They got another player assesment wrong. Nothing new there. Laynce Nix, Jason Botts, Pete Incaviglia, Ricky Jordon, and Kevin Maas are some examples you may be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Good for baseball America. They got another player assesment wrong. Nothing new there. Laynce Nix, Jason Botts, Pete Incaviglia, Ricky jordon, and Kevin Maas are some examples you may be aware of. wow you have made the determination they are wrong by what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 wow you have made the determination they are wrong by what? The fact that he's rotten at first base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 The fact that he's rotten at first base. yea because 11 games decides a career..or maybe it is that .1 differenc between him and Davis in fielding % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 yea because 11 games decides a career No, but if their hype was right, wouldn't he already be an excellent first baseman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 No, but if their hype was right, wouldn't he already be an excellent first baseman? wow..Really? Then I guess all that hype about Elvis Andrus was wrong as well because he was only at 96% fielding last year and so far this year..but supposedly he is a great defensive SS..better get rid of him cause he aint living up to that hype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed3 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 The best move they could make is get rid of the hitting coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinky16 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I would take Smoak over Davis 7 days a week. Yeah Davis can play good defense, but the guy kills innings worse than a thunderstorm. He is a bad hitter with a whole lot of pop. When you're batting down in the seven hole I think you have to be more of a better hitter with not necessarily as much pop. You need to be able to move runners over, hit a deep fly ball with a runner on third less than two outs. Davis just does not do that kind of job. He hits a 475 foot homerun when we are losing 8-2 in the bottom of the ninth. Yeah we will miss his defense, but I think we gain a better all around hitter. Defense wins championships, but offense gets you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I would take Smoak over Davis 7 days a week. Yeah Davis can play good defense, but the guy kills innings worse than a thunderstorm. He is a bad hitter with a whole lot of pop. When you're batting down in the seven hole I think you have to be more of a better hitter with not necessarily as much pop. You need to be able to move runners over, hit a deep fly ball with a runner on third less than two outs. Davis just does not do that kind of job. He hits a 475 foot homerun when we are losing 8-2 in the bottom of the ninth. Yeah we will miss his defense, but I think we gain a better all around hitter. Defense wins championships, but offense gets you there. Have you not seen Davis when he's on?....and yes, if you've been following the Rangers you would know that he can produce and produce big. He too is young and his bad start to '09 and first 48 at bats of '10 are not good, but his whole stint in '08 and the second half of '09 were great. As far as historically, his numbers are better than Smoak's at every level...and yes, including OBP.....and in OPS (which is the most important stat in hitting) he kills Smoak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lobo Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I would take Smoak over Davis 7 days a week. Yeah Davis can play good defense, but the guy kills innings worse than a thunderstorm. He is a bad hitter with a whole lot of pop. When you're batting down in the seven hole I think you have to be more of a better hitter with not necessarily as much pop. You need to be able to move runners over, hit a deep fly ball with a runner on third less than two outs. Davis just does not do that kind of job. He hits a 475 foot homerun when we are losing 8-2 in the bottom of the ninth. Yeah we will miss his defense, but I think we gain a better all around hitter. Defense wins championships, but offense gets you there. I disagree. If offenses got you there, then the Rangers would have a couple of championships by now with the offenses they've had. What's the point in the offense getting you there if the defense is gonna cost you the series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 wow..Really? Then I guess all that hype about Elvis Andrus was wrong as well because he was only at 96% fielding last year and so far this year..but supposedly he is a great defensive SS..better get rid of him cause he aint living up to that hype Andrus is getting to FAR more balls than the average SS and because of that he is having to make some miraculous attempts with his throws. Those are errors that most players wouldn't have because they never would have gotten to them in the first place. Smoak is slow to the ball and won't have to worry about those diving miracle plays. I would even be fine with that however, if he could just pick a throw out of the dirt every once in a while (or even catch it every time they threw it into his glove). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinky16 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Have you not seen Davis when he's on?....and yes, if you've been following the Rangers you would know that he can produce and produce big. He too is young and his bad start to '09 and first 48 at bats of '10 are not good, but his whole stint in '08 and the second half of '09 were great. As far as historically, his numbers are better than Smoak's at every level...and yes, including OBP and in OPS (which is the most important stat in hitting) he kills Smoak. I do follow the Rangers, enough to know that this guy had the shift put on him after about three weeks in the bigs. He is obviously pretty easy to figure out for big league defenses and pitchers. Thats why he is in Oklahoma City. By the way did you see Smoaks bomb last night. It was great! I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Andrus is getting to FAR more #### than the average SS and because of that he is having to make some miraculous attempts with his throws. Those are errors that most players wouldn't have because they never would have gotten to them in the first place. Smoak is slow to the ball and won't have to worry about those diving miracle plays. I would even be fine with that however, if he could just pick a throw out of the dirt every once in a while or even catch it every time they throw it into his glove). That is why I stated Andrus's fielding % and not his amount of errord,,put it to you this way Andrus right now is bottom 3 in fielding % so far this season. By your account he needs to go because his hype is all about defense and he is not producing defensively at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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