Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 yea basically your saying there is no relevance I just wanted to use an old tired thought process on the rangers and pretend it matters now Anyone can see the relevance. Signing to outscore your opponents instead of upgrading the pitching staff DOES NOT WORK. It's history repeating itsself for the Rangers, and it's very simple and very relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 No..that's not at all what I think. What I do think is that if you put up $96 million, you should have just signed a super-star and it should be for an absolute need, not a trade off for a little more defense and a little less offense. until this season is over you and I will disagee I dont think this is a little more D, I think this is a HUGE addition of D and I mean a really big addition..not only at 3B but at other positions as far as depth because I trust Young in the back up role at 2B if Kinsler is down for 30 games over someone like Blanco, plus the offense would not falter with Young at 2B like it would with Blanco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I don't fault you for thinking that. It's your opinion and I hope you're right....but they are still $96 million closer to broke. Repeat after me..... It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Come on man, he went 1-14 5K and couldn't get on the field in SF because of his poor defense. $8+ miillion for Vlad would have been a much worse contract than Beltre. $8 million for Vlad numbers? Sheesh. I'll take that ANY day. Rangers have to win now. This great young team will get old (and expensive) in a hurry. Now this we can agree on.....especially since now they have $96 million less to spend on them(broadcaster :P )!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 The Beltre contract will be an albatross for the Rangers as his production and range decline in the near future. Beltre is a sexy position player signing that will not help the Rangers win a pennant.....see A-Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Anyone can see the relevance. Signing to outscore your opponents instead of upgrading the pitching staff DOES NOT WORK. It's history repeating itsself for the Rangers, and it's very simple and very relevant. I love this upgrade the staff..name the pitcher right now they could get? And no this is not history repeating itself..in the past the Rangers went all offense with a terrible pitching staff and average to below average D adding Beltre was not about his offensive stats, but his defense at 3B which will help EVERY pitcher on staff. a Staff btw that was #### good last year with youth in the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildcatsRule Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Anyone can see the relevance. Signing to outscore your opponents instead of upgrading the pitching staff DOES NOT WORK. It's history repeating itsself for the Rangers, and it's very simple and very relevant. It wasn't an "instead of" deal. What pitcher should they have signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Repeat after me..... It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. It's 5 years for $80 million guaranteed. Unless he gets hurt in his fifth season and doesn't get his ABs, the sixth year's is his too. $96 mil. He doesn't have to produce, just stand at the plate 500 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Anyone can see the relevance. Signing to outscore your opponents instead of upgrading the pitching staff DOES NOT WORK. It's history repeating itsself for the Rangers, and it's very simple and very relevant. They didn't sign to outscore anyone. Just ask Five0. BTW, we're still waiting on these pitching upgrades you keep talking about. Again, they basically have the same staff this year that was good enough to get them to the playoffs last year. Why isn't that good enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It wasn't an "instead of" deal. What pitcher should they have signed? I already answered that question, so quit asking. It was a bad contract. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 They didn't sign to outscore anyone. Just ask Five0. BTW, we're still waiting on these pitching upgrades you keep talking about. Again, they basically have the same staff this year that was good enough to get them to the playoffs last year. Why isn't that good enough for you? I never promised any pitching upgrades, so ### are you talking about? And no, without Cliff Lee, this is not the same staff as last year. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildcatsRule Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I already answered that question, so quit asking. It was a bad contract. Period. With that much of an open mind to FACTS, I guess we'll have to disagree to agree. Glad you added so little to the discussion. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 With that much of an open mind to FACTS, I guess we'll have to disagree to agree. Glad you added so little to the discussion. Period. Sorry I happen to have a different opinion than yours. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Slow down guys. Count to 10. Then agree with me. :mellow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Sorry I happen to have a different opinion than yours. Period. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Unless he gets hurt in his fifth season and doesn't get his ABs, the sixth year's is his too. $96 mil. He doesn't have to produce, just stand at the plate 500 times. You're wrong again, it's 600 times. I know you don't like to read facts, but here they are from Richard Durrett: By now you probably know the breakdown of Adrian Beltre's contract. Just in case, here it is: 2011: $14 million 2012: $15 million 2013: $16 million 2014: $17 million 2015: $18 million 2016: $16 million* * The Rangers can void that final season if Beltre fails to have either 1,200 plate appearances in 2014-15 combined or 600 plate appearances in 2015. ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports today that there's another interesting clause in the deal. Olney tweeted that if Beltre "is on the DL at the end of the 2015 season and a mutually agreed-on doctor determines him unable to perform at normal health levels by Spring 2016, club may defer from '16 salary $12m with 1% simple interest." I just found that interesting. Clearly the Rangers are doing what they can to guard against Beltre having injury issues late in the contract. The union, by the way, considers the contract 5 years at $80 million (with an option for a sixth year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Some Ranger fans are the biggest whining crybabies on the planet. I don't like the deal, and I have supported my argument with facts. Decades of facts for that matter. If you don't like my opinion, that is your right. I frankly could give a ###. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Some Ranger fans are the biggest whining crybabies on the planet. I don't like the deal, and I have supported my argument with facts. Decades of facts for that matter. If you don't like my opinion, that is your right. I frankly could give a ###. uhh what facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 On the PA's...Beltre has only hit 600 and above twice in his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I never promised any pitching upgrades, so ### are you talking about? And no, without Cliff Lee, this is not the same staff as last year. Nice try. If you can't back up your argument with some names, then why argue the point? Cliff Lee's production was negligible during the regular season, except for a start or two. His impact, as it most often has been with him, was during the postseason. I'll repeat what I said earlier. This is the same pitching staff that put the Rangers in the playoffs last season. There's no reason to think they can't perform even better this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildcatsRule Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 uhh what facts? Yeah. I couldn't find them either. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 You're wrong again, it's 600 times. I know you don't like to read facts, but here they are from Richard Durrett: By now you probably know the breakdown of Adrian Beltre's contract. Just in case, here it is: 2011: $14 million 2012: $15 million 2013: $16 million 2014: $17 million 2015: $18 million 2016: $16 million* * The Rangers can void that final season if Beltre fails to have either 1,200 plate appearances in 2014-15 combined or 600 plate appearances in 2015. ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports today that there's another interesting clause in the deal. Olney tweeted that if Beltre "is on the DL at the end of the 2015 season and a mutually agreed-on doctor determines him unable to perform at normal health levels by Spring 2016, club may defer from '16 salary $12m with 1% simple interest." I just found that interesting. Clearly the Rangers are doing what they can to guard against Beltre having injury issues late in the contract. The union, by the way, considers the contract 5 years at $80 million (with an option for a sixth year). The 5 and 6 are right next to each other on my keyboard. You'll have to forgive my ineptitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Some Ranger fans are the biggest whining crybabies on the planet. I don't like the deal, and I have supported my argument with facts. Decades of facts for that matter. If you don't like my opinion, that is your right. I frankly could give a ###. You have to be referencing yourself, because you're the one crying about the signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 On the PA's...Beltre has only hit 600 and above twice in his career I haven't checked, but those two years have to be '04 and '10 right? After all, that's the only two years he's done anything offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Basically unless Texas picks up the option it is a pipe dream he will reach it..Just like they did with Millwood when they signed him...it sounds good for the agent to say 6 for 96 but it is a 5 for 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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