514 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The cutoff was 430 or 429 last time around. Do you think it could get up to the 448 to 450 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonerick Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 since it stayed the same the last 2 times, i believe it will go up by 16 to make the cutoff 445 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearDad Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 since it stayed the same the last 2 times, i believe it will go up by 16 to make the cutoff 445 if that is the case where do you see the bottom end of the cut-off moving to? there are a couple of schools that could be moved up into 2A Div II if the bottom side of the number don't go up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
514 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 If you look at the last 6 years it could go up between 20 and 25. I think it will be closer to 450 if not 450. There is only one thing we know for sure and that is 3a will get the shaft again as far as disparity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Make the top end of 2A be 500. 2A is split so it wouldn't matter a great deal, plus it would help close the gap in 3A. Wishful thinking, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonerick Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Make the top end of 2A be 500. 2A is split so it wouldn't matter a great deal, plus it would help close the gap in 3A. Wishful thinking, eh? That would solve alot of the problem...... Plus bring Henderson on in the non-district schedule, we welcome all victims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benglish935 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Make the top end of 2A be 500. 2A is split so it wouldn't matter a great deal, plus it would help close the gap in 3A. Wishful thinking, eh? I don't have an easy answer but punishing 2A to help 3A doesn't sound like a good solution to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLEMAN Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Maybe 5 more at the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Trends .... TWENTY YEARS of UIL NO\'s Trends.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Would love to see adjustments to balance out discrepancies among classes (potential smallest vs largest) CLASS A - Division 2 .................... 1 student vs 1.5 CLASS A - Division 1 .................... 1 student vs 1.33 CLASS AA - Division 2 .................. 1 student vs 1.46 CLASS AA - Division 1 .................. 1 student vs 1.46 CLASS AAA ..................................... 1 student vs 2.3 CLASS AAAA ................................... 1 student vs 2.075 CLASS AAAAA ................................. 1 student vs 2.93 Allen is the third largest high school in Texas, but could well be in the Division 2 playoff bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLEMAN Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Not much wiggle room in 1A in general . 2a d2 may top out at 300 and d1 440 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Moving bottom number up can create issues in 3A because there are fewer total schools .... the solution has then been generally to move the top number up to fill out the districts .... however, this ends up re-creating that large gap again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLEMAN Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 3a is reall a big spread.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Using 1 to 1.5 as a common discrepancy factor ... CLASS A: 100 to 225 Class A ………… Division 2 ………. 100 …..1.5 …… 150 Class A ………… Division 1 ………. 151 …..1.5 …… 225 CLASS AA: 226 to 507 Class AA ………. Division 2 ………. 226 ……1.5…... 338 Class AA ………. Division 1 ………. 339 ……1.5…... 507 CLASS AAA: 508 - 1141 Class AAA …….. Division 2 ………. 508…...1.5 …... 760 Class AAA …….. Division 1 ………. 761…...1.5 ….. 1141 CLASS AAAA: 1142 to 2568 Class AAAA ……Division 2 ……... 1142…...1.5 ….. 1711 Class AAAA ……Division 1 …..…. 1712…...1.5 ….. 2568 CLASS AAAAA: 2569 and Up Class AAAAA …………………… 2569 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilEagle Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Using 1 to 1.5 as a common discrepancy factor ... CLASS A: 100 to 225 Class A ………… Division 2 ………. 100 …..1.5 …… 150 Class A ………… Division 1 ………. 151 …..1.5 …… 225 CLASS AA: 226 to 507 Class AA ………. Division 2 ………. 226 ……1.5…... 338 Class AA ………. Division 1 ………. 339 ……1.5…... 507 CLASS AAA: 508 - 1141 Class AAA …….. Division 2 ………. 508…...1.5 …... 760 Class AAA …….. Division 1 ………. 761…...1.5 ….. 1141 CLASS AAAA: 1142 to 2568 Class AAAA ……Division 2 ……... 1142…...1.5 ….. 1711 Class AAAA ……Division 1 …..…. 1712…...1.5 ….. 2568 CLASS AAAAA: 2569 and Up Class AAAAA …………………… 2569 up That looks like it makes way to much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I remember hearing somewhere that they really look at how many schools they want in each class instead of focusing on actual enrollment #s. So basically they adjust the cutoff #s to get the desired number of schools in each class, and fairness in competition goes out the window along with worrying about travel cost. This is the UIL we're talking about, and they are looking out for #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 In the old days they would fill up 4A (now 5A) and then go to the bottom and start filling from the bottom up; and one class always got the ROYs (Rest of Y'all). There was a time when equal numbers in each district (except the ROYs Division) was balanced team-wise and that was a big deal ... then travel, etc. came into being and some districts have various numbers (remember that the voting members are superintendents). The ROY result was that we went thru a spell of large districts in one class that were divided up in Zones. Opinion: Years ago, just about every superintendent was a former coach or ag teacher (in East Texas at least) ... now that no longer is the case (not a judgement on my behalf, only a statement) ... and I would assume that things were looked at differently because of that background. It is very important to remember, you don't have to pass a common sense test to be an administrator .... you only have to be breathing (now, that's a shot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BePhysical Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I bet the bottom number goes up to 205 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
514 Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 I think it is due to go up from 429 to between 10 to 20 students . So some where between 439 and 449. Seems tp always end in 9 or 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osup116 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I am hoping for at least 450. That is not a big jump on the d1 side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osup116 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Using 1 to 1.5 as a common discrepancy factor ... CLASS A: 100 to 225 Class A ………… Division 2 ………. 100 …..1.5 …… 150 Class A ………… Division 1 ………. 151 …..1.5 …… 225 CLASS AA: 226 to 507 Class AA ………. Division 2 ………. 226 ……1.5…... 338 Class AA ………. Division 1 ………. 339 ……1.5…... 507 CLASS AAA: 508 - 1141 Class AAA …….. Division 2 ………. 508…...1.5 …... 760 Class AAA …….. Division 1 ………. 761…...1.5 ….. 1141 CLASS AAAA: 1142 to 2568 Class AAAA ……Division 2 ……... 1142…...1.5 ….. 1711 Class AAAA ……Division 1 …..…. 1712…...1.5 ….. 2568 CLASS AAAAA: 2569 and Up Class AAAAA …………………… 2569 up This actually the best solution I have seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 There may be a little more shuffle than everybody originally thought. 3A is already the smallest class in number of schools - District 1 with 4 teams, District 4, 10, 17 with only 5. That being said, I'm looking just at Region 2 and it has six schools that have fallen below last year's numbers. I do not see even a close corresponding number of 2As increasing in population and waiting to go up. Assuming they want to keep some numerical balance among classes, the top number of AA may come down rather than go up in an effort to maintain some sense of standard districts. Although they usually don't move up much, coming down is not been done this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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