Why to vote for Obama.

[Guest 4to3]

Just because I'm voting for one doesn't mean I am. From what I've seen the "real" liberals feel Obama's gone to far to the other side.

 

 

 

Uva Uvam Vivendo Varia Fit = a grape changes color when it sees another grape.”

 

Ol Jake Spoon fell in at one point with some sadistic horse thieves led by Dan Suggs, who enjoyed shooting settlers and burning their bodies. Jake doesn’t shoot anyone but is complicit in the bodies’ desecration. Perhaps he does so out of fear that Suggs and his men will kill him if he doesn’t–but Jake isn’t in any hurry to escape them, or fight them. It’s easier for him just to continue riding with them. Until one day, he’s called to account. Suggs, his brothers, and Jake Spoon are all captured by Gus and Call and Newt, who promptly decide to hang them all for burning the farmers and murdering three horse traders as well. Jake tries to fast-talk his way out of the necktie party, explaining that he doesn’t share in Suggs’ guilt:

 

JAKE SPOON:

Oh, you don’t need to tie me up, Newt. Hell, I didn’t kill anybody. I just fell in with these boys to get through the Territory. Hell, I was gonna leave ‘em first chance I got!

GUS McCRAE:

I wish you’d taken that chance a little earlier, Jake. A man who’ll go along with five killings is takin’ his leave a little slow.

 

There are more protests from the gang and from Jake, and then his old friend Gus explains:

 

GUS McCRAE:

You know how it works, Jake. You ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw. I’m sorry you crossed the line.

JAKE SPOON:

I didn’t see no line, Gus.

I was just tryin’ to get through the Territory without getting scalped

 

 

 

 

 

[clawsnstripes]

Imagine that logic in a country that is majority black and has had ZERO history of racism. A Country that has been so kind to black people, that Obama is the 44th black president of this country. A country in which blacks made whites drink from different fountains, and eat at the back of restaurants,even though they were the cooks. A country that wouldn't let whites vote, and burned crosses in their yard. Not to mention a country that took whites from Europe and made them work the cotton fields of Georgia.

 

A country in which Marty King, the white civil rights leaders, was gunned down because of his stance on racial intolerance. Oh yea, America has always treated blacks better than whites.

 

When your white and you win, its because your the best, but when you are black and you win, Its because you are black...... since being black has always given you a leg up in America.

 

has nothing to do with what i posted. i have lots of black friends and they're voting for obama for one reason, he's half black. they couldn't care less about anything else.

[clawsnstripes]

Or people liked his first term and despise Romney.

 

I already voted: Write In, None of the Candidates.

 

and the main reason they liked his first term? he's half black. most people that voted and will vote for obamalamadingdong again couldn't care less about politics. most of them don't give a rip about the economy, hurricanes, healthcare, retirement plans, social security or the United States. do i still get the same check? good, i'll vote for him again

[JTFAN99]

has nothing to do with what i posted. i have lots of black friends and they're voting for obama for one reason, he's half black. they couldn't care less about anything else.

 

 

lol. Whats lots of black friends?

 

Guess what, there are many whites who are not voting for Obama because he is black. I posted a poll before that showed that 29% of Mississippi and 21% of Alabama republicans believe Interacial marriage should be illegal. You think those people are voting for Obama?

 

Now lets get down to the stats. Your friends that you are talking about would probably vote against Romney, no matter what. Because if you look at the last 3 presidential races, at least 88% of blacks have voted for the Democrat, regardless of color.

 

So if you would have said that black people will vote Democrat no matter what, Then you would be correct, but to say Blacks will vote Black not matter what, is incorrect. Ask Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. And if blacks will vote black no matter what, then why wasn't Hermain Cain polling well among blacks. And poor Alan Keyes can't get a vote from anyone.

[Immortal13]

And poor Alan Keyes can't get a vote from anyone.

 

Yeah, because he doesn't believe in government hand-outs.

[JTFAN99]

and the main reason they liked his first term? he's half black. most people that voted and will vote for obamalamadingdong again couldn't care less about politics. most of them don't give a rip about the economy, hurricanes, healthcare, retirement plans, social security or the United States. do i still get the same check? good, i'll vote for him again

 

 

Oh really, so why did Obama beat McCain in voters who earn between $30k-40K 55% to 43%.

 

And lost by 1% in the $50K-75k , 48% to 49%.

 

Won $75k-100k 51% to 48%

 

And tied $100k and above 49% to 49%.

 

The only wage demographic obama lost was $50k-75K earners. And thats just by 1%.

 

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_08.html

[JTFAN99]

Yeah, because he doesn't believe in government hand-outs.

 

 

ok... So then you are admitting that Republicans want Gov.Handouts.

 

Because Keyes is a republican running in Republican primaries. And he can't get any votes. One would think he anti-gov stance would get alot of votes. But for some "odd" reason Republicans will not vote for him. Hmmm.....

[unclejohn]

Imagine that logic in a country that is majority black and has had ZERO history of racism. A Country that has been so kind to black people, that Obama is the 44th black president of this country. A country in which blacks made whites drink from different fountains, and eat at the back of restaurants,even though they were the cooks. A country that wouldn't let whites vote, and burned crosses in their yard. Not to mention a country that took whites from Europe and made them work the cotton fields of Georgia.

 

A country in which Marty King, the white civil rights leaders, was gunned down because of his stance on racial intolerance. Oh yea, America has always treated blacks better than whites.

 

When your white and you win, its because your the best, but when you are black and you win, Its because you are black...... since being black has always given you a leg up in America.

 

 

Amen to that. :)

[unclejohn]

100 days after if Romney is elected.

 

 

[goldandwhite]

100 days after if Romney is elected.

 

 

That was so realistic, and its non-partisan nature was striking! It looked like the news anchor was even having a hard time not laughing...

[Guest 4to3]

US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's family still has no answers! #RomneyRyan2012

[parentofredheads]

Imagine that logic in a country that is majority black and has had ZERO history of racism. A Country that has been so kind to black people, that Obama is the 44th black president of this country. A country in which blacks made whites drink from different fountains, and eat at the back of restaurants,even though they were the cooks. A country that wouldn't let whites vote, and burned crosses in their yard. Not to mention a country that took whites from Europe and made them work the cotton fields of Georgia.

 

A country in which Marty King, the white civil rights leaders, was gunned down because of his stance on racial intolerance. Oh yea, America has always treated blacks better than whites.

 

When your white and you win, its because your the best, but when you are black and you win, Its because you are black...... since being black has always given you a leg up in America.

You know, I'm often amazed at this. Some claim that blacks have been so severely mistreated, yet you look at the Indians, there's absolutely no comparison. Indians have suffered far worse. Also, it was not the U.S. who took the blacks from Africa, etc., but slave traders from other countries who brought them here. Was it wrong? You betcha, but England, Spain, etc. were doing it. I have never visited England or Spain, so I don't know if the same "resentment" is instilled and perceived in their black populus.

 

What's even more amazing is, the statement that so many white persons lost their lives, including a president, trying to abolish slavery, yet we're still reminded daily that blacks were the only ones who were "mistreated." Wonder how many whites lost their lives in the Civil War? What's even more amazing is, that most of our white forefathers came to the Americas because of persecution in their own countries. Blacks seem to think that they're the only race who's been mistreated. They're not.

 

Rules and laws were put in place to absolish such things. They've been abolished. There are whites who hate blacks. There are blacks who hate whites. There are whites who hate Mexicans; there are blacks who hate Mexicans.

 

Granted some whites may not vote for Obama because he's black, but it's a very, very SMALL percentage. Whites are who put Obama in office in the first place. Although, isn't it ironic that a large percentage of blacks seem to only vote for Obama simply because the color of his skin? It's not about his policies, but about the color of his skin. An overwhelming percentage of white people could care less about the color of one's skin, but the policies they have or will institute if they're elected.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful going forward if everyone were judged not by the color of their skin, but by their own deeds?

[parentofredheads]

Actually the majority of whites who died in the Civil War weren't fighting to help blacks at all, they were fighting to protect their own self interest.

 

Really? Seriously? You apparently haven't cracked open a history book.

 

Could you please post the statistics where it says that only a very, very SMALL percentage of whites and a large percentage of blacks are voting based on race only.

 

Don't have to, has been lambasted for the last 4 years now... what, you haven't seen the news?

 

Based on what I've seen on social media I'd say that a large percentage of whites are not voting for Obama because he's black. Maybe that's just a southern thing though.

 

Social media? So that's where you get your news from? Are you insinuating that if every single black American voted for Obama, and no white Americans, that he would've won the presidency? That's absurd. And maybe it's a "southern thing" with blacks that think the majority of white Americans CANNOT see past color and vote for a man's policies, rather than the color of a man.

 

Personally, I could care less what color a man/woman is... it's their policies... Maybe you should consider that too?

 

But hey, that's all right... considering that the debt for every single American under the age of 18 is now $218,676, http://cnsnews.com/news/article/4-yrs-private-college-130468-median-priced-existing-home-173100-us-debt-american-under and that our debt now is 35% higher than Greece.

 

[JTFAN99]

You know, I'm often amazed at this. Some claim that blacks have been so severely mistreated, yet you look at the Indians, there's absolutely no comparison. Indians have suffered far worse.

have you lost your mind. You can not be serious. Blacks had it just as rough, and probably worse in some cases than Indians Blacks were taken from their homeland, women were raped,and they were made slaves. Just like the Indians. And Blacks had to also go through Jim Crow. To say Indians had it worse than blacks is a ignorant statement. And on top of that, the US gave Indians land (and Casinos) as payback. Only thing blacks got was, IM Sorry. Well the US bought Liberia. That was a joke.

 

Both groups had it bad. Very bad

 

Also, it was not the U.S. who took the blacks from Africa, etc., but slave traders from other countries who brought them here. Was it wrong? You betcha, but England, Spain, etc. were doing it. I have never visited England or Spain, so I don't know if the same "resentment" is instilled and perceived in their black populus.

#1. To say the US never took blacks from Africa, is a misguided statement. Because when Slaves started coming to the US, the US was a colony of Great Britain. And the British along with the Dutch, French, Spanish, etc. brought slaves to the Colonies. So the people of the US colony very much took place in the Slave trade.

 

#2. Even if your argument was correct, it still doesn't excuse the fact the US took part in slavery on the Homeland. There were slave auctions, and Slaves were traded among owners in the colonies. So whether they were on the boat or not, the US still took part in slavery.

 

#3. Please don't try to excuse the behaviour of the US role in Slavery. The US lawmakers made laws that made slavery legal. So they are just as guilty as those who brought the slaves over.

 

#4. Europe did not get very many slaves compared to the US. So its hard to compare. Also, England abolished slavery in the late 1700's in England, but not in the Colonies. But the truth is that England does have very many issues with their black population. Because although there was not as long of a history of slavery, there was still a long history of blacks being treated like second class citizens in England. But the resentment is probably not as bad as it is in the US.

But, thats because Jim Crow just ended in the US in 1969. There are millions of people who are still alive from that era, who were victims of Jim Crow.

 

and in Spain and Portugal, there was always a connection to Africa because its so close to N.Africa. The Berbers/Moors have a history in those countries, so they were used to being around Africans. Thats why in many of the ex Spanish/Portuguese slave colonies like Brazil, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, you see alot of mixture of race. Majority of the people in those countries have Indian,African,and European mixtures in there DNA. Thats why they all look like the are mixed race.

 

What's even more amazing is, the statement that so many white persons lost their lives, including a president, trying to abolish slavery, yet we're still reminded daily that blacks were the only ones who were "mistreated." Wonder how many whites lost their lives in the Civil War? What's even more amazing is, that most of our white forefathers came to the Americas because of persecution in their own countries. Blacks seem to think that they're the only race who's been mistreated. They're not.

Yes, many whites lost their life to abolish slavery. But no where near the number of blacks. Do you know how many blacks died on slave ships coming to the US. The number is astronomical. But many whites who fought in the Civil war didn't fight for slavery. I believe Screaming eagle covered that already.

 

also, the whites that were persecuted in their country were not perscuted to near the level blacks were treated in this country. That is a horrible argument to make. No race has had it as bad as the Indians and Blacks in this country. Not even close.

 

Rules and laws were put in place to absolish such things. They've been abolished. There are whites who hate blacks. There are blacks who hate whites. There are whites who hate Mexicans; there are blacks who hate Mexicans.

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Granted some whites may not vote for Obama because he's black, but it's a very, very SMALL percentage. Whites are who put Obama in office in the first place. Although, isn't it ironic that a large percentage of blacks seem to only vote for Obama simply because the color of his skin? It's not about his policies, but about the color of his skin. An overwhelming percentage of white people could care less about the color of one's skin, but the policies they have or will institute if they're elected.

where are you getting this notion that Blacks are only voting for Obama because he is black. Its simply false. Blacks have always voted over 85% in recent history for Dems. If Hilary would have ran, she would have got 90% of Black Vote.

 

Also, I posted a poll in which 29% of Miss. Republicans, and 21% of Alabama republicans say interacial marriage should be illegal. That is alot of people. You think those folks are voting for Obama. Heck NO....

 

So for you to say that its just White people who could care less about skin color, and that blacks are only voting for skin color is ignorant. Blacks have always voted for white people with no problem. And many times over other blacks. You think Al or Jessie or Herman Cain would get more votes over Clinton with Black voters. NO.....

Wouldn't it be wonderful going forward if everyone were judged not by the color of their skin, but by their own deeds?

 

By the way, How many black people do you know? Since you seem to be an expert on how blacks vote and think. Do you live in a large black community?

[DLine06]

You know, I'm often amazed at this. Some claim that blacks have been so severely mistreated, yet you look at the Indians, there's absolutely no comparison. Indians have suffered far worse. Also, it was not the U.S. who took the blacks from Africa, etc., but slave traders from other countries who brought them here. Was it wrong? You betcha, but England, Spain, etc. were doing it. I have never visited England or Spain, so I don't know if the same "resentment" is instilled and perceived in their black populus.

 

What's even more amazing is, the statement that so many white persons lost their lives, including a president, trying to abolish slavery, yet we're still reminded daily that blacks were the only ones who were "mistreated." Wonder how many whites lost their lives in the Civil War? What's even more amazing is, that most of our white forefathers came to the Americas because of persecution in their own countries. Blacks seem to think that they're the only race who's been mistreated. They're not.

 

Rules and laws were put in place to absolish such things. They've been abolished. There are whites who hate blacks. There are blacks who hate whites. There are whites who hate Mexicans; there are blacks who hate Mexicans.

 

Granted some whites may not vote for Obama because he's black, but it's a very, very SMALL percentage. Whites are who put Obama in office in the first place. Although, isn't it ironic that a large percentage of blacks seem to only vote for Obama simply because the color of his skin? It's not about his policies, but about the color of his skin. An overwhelming percentage of white people could care less about the color of one's skin, but the policies they have or will institute if they're elected.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful going forward if everyone were judged not by the color of their skin, but by their own deeds?

 

I need to choke your history teachers....what the heck.

[DLine06]

and the main reason they liked his first term? he's half black. most people that voted and will vote for obamalamadingdong again couldn't care less about politics. most of them don't give a rip about the economy, hurricanes, healthcare, retirement plans, social security or the United States. do i still get the same check? good, i'll vote for him again

 

You know there are working people that like Obama....shake my head...typical dumb partisan nonsense.

[clawsnstripes]

You know there are working people that like Obama....shake my head...typical dumb partisan nonsense.

and that's why i said most. shake my head. typical only read what i want to nonsense

[DaveTV1]

I would respond to the question answer from Parentofredheads and JTFAN99, but these posts within posts make it very difficult to do.

 

I do not agree with slavery in the least, and it should have been abolished when this nation was founded. However in the 1800's slavery was widespread in many countries, and it was an accepted practice for people of all races. Much of the slave trade from Africa, was actually perpetuated by Native African tribes. Comparing the massacres, broken treaties, rapes, removal from one land to another (once people found the land that the Native American Indians were living on was valuable), attempted use of Native Americans as slaves, complete segregation to this day with some federal money still being sent to the various reservations throughout America. When black slaves were freed, there was a stupid attempt to segregate the black population through various laws. It has been done through various means from Jim Crow to Section 8 housing. Native Americans were FORCED to move to remote parts of the United States. Native Americans have never had as much representation in the U.S. Government (even though they have dual citizenship) than African Americans have had in the last 147 years. The last Native American to represent a state was Ben Reifel (Lone Feather) from South Dakota who was a Republican that served from 1961 - 1971. All you have to do is compare this list : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress to this list : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Native_American_politicians . Native American Indians were considered like the buffalo or passenger pigeon. They were thought to be hunted down as barbarians, when that was the furthest thing from the truth.

[faderoute]

It's a sad thing to say but many blacks do vote for Obama for the sole reason that he is indeed half-black. No matter where I go (gym, work, class) if I get into disagreement or debate on politics and I ask someone to tell me why they are really voting for Obama, I always get the same 2 responses. Either none at all, or one about handouts. As long as people that are on food stamps, etc are getting a money from the governenment then of course they are going to vote for Obama. Romney's plan was to help create job so we wouldn't have to pay for these other people to live. I do believe Obama will be much better the second time around but he's going to have to be MUCH better to be a "good" president IMO. I'm not even a huge fan of Romney, just a Republican but I still think he would be a better leader than Obama.

 

 

[RETIREDFAN1]

 

Do you actually think we spend more on Food Stamps than we do with all the oil subsidies and tax breaks to corporations? Tax loop-holes?

 

Those oil companies and corporations CREATE JOBS......the food stamp money is thrown down a hole never to be seen again......

[Five0pd310]

have you lost your mind. You can not be serious. Blacks had it just as rough, and probably worse in some cases than Indians Blacks were taken from their homeland, women were raped,and they were made slaves. Just like the Indians. And Blacks had to also go through Jim Crow. To say Indians had it worse than blacks is a ignorant statement. And on top of that, the US gave Indians land (and Casinos) as payback. Only thing blacks got was, IM Sorry. Well the US bought Liberia. That was a joke.

 

Both groups had it bad. Very bad

Oh. I get it. It all boils down to what you're going to get.

 

How about this. What are the Jews and Christians going to get from Africans who held them as slaves LONG before America had been heard of? Can I get in on some of this free stuff?

[DLine06]

Oh. I get it. It all boils down to what you're going to get.

 

What the deuce...

 

It boils down to the actual history of this country on the mistreatment of minorities and that the U.S. had made reparations at least to the Native Americans.

 

Now if you had said that statement on why people voted for Obama, then maybe I would be a bit more understanding.

[Five0pd310]

What the deuce...

 

It boils down to the actual history of this country on the mistreatment of minorities and that the U.S. had made reparations at least to the Native Americans.

 

Now if you had said that statement on why people voted for Obama, then maybe I would be a bit more understanding.

No sir. He turned what was a valid history lesson into a post that ended in a "what's in it for me" statement. So in regards, that's exactly what I was talking about. He's supporting Obama because he's more likely to get free stuff out of the deal.

[DLine06]

No sir. He turned what was a valid history lesson into a post that ended in a "what's in it for me" statement. So in regards, that's exactly what I was talking about. He's supporting Obama because he's more likely to get free stuff out of the deal.

 

I sure hope your not a detective.

 

JT hasn't been a Obama supporter and in fact points out the hypocrisies of both parties. With this forum being dominantly right wing, you're going to see more of him refuting those ideas.

 

If anything, JT is likely on the libertarian track not to mention, the history lesson was exactly what it was and the U.S. government did make reparations to Ntive Americans and not Blacks.

[Five0pd310]

I sure hope your not a detective.

 

JT hasn't been a Obama supporter and in fact points out the hypocrisies of both parties. With this forum being dominantly right wing, you're going to see more of him refuting those ideas.

 

If anything, JT is likely on the libertarian track not to mention, the history lesson was exactly what it was and the U.S. government did make reparations to Ntive Americans and not Blacks.

No one in this country has been a slave or a slave owner. No one in this country even has a grandparent who was a slave or a slave owner. Black Americans have it much better now than Native Americans precisely because they didn't get government reparations. You don't want to be owned like that by your gov't. That's what makes people poor and disenfranchised. It' not the "racism of your neighbor". It's the group who says they want to "take care of you" that will keep you pinned down. It's ridiculous to think that group wants what is best for you.