Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Do you think there's a way to have it both ways? Secure the potential evidence but at the same time guarantee that it won't be available for anything other than legally recognized purposes? And you are going to TRUST the police? Right. That is your first mistake. Trusting in the police is why we now have a police state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sorry again. Back to the topic. What do y'all think of child predators being caught because their computers permanently stored websites, images, etc? Your computer even stores all keystrokes. That's how these child porn consumers and producers are eventually caught. A subpoena is issued for their computer based on other evidence and sworn statements of witnesses and victims, and using the computer's ability to store everything, investigators are able to provide very good evidence for that crime. Isn't that the same thing as this? Saved computer files<>Saved texting files? Everyone needs to read this post. This is why the police are so dangerous. They can justify any and everything for more and more power. A cop saying a copy of all communication between all people should be kept, just in case. A cop is saying a pedophile and what they do on their computer is same as all our texts and conversations. Well maybe not, but just in case, lets have the POLICE be able to decide. The Police mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 And it is getting worse. If I read correctly the Senate just voted to extend NDAA for 2013. No one has rebuked the indefinite detention piece that I know of. Texas legislators are to be looking at a bill that says Texas will not allow the Fed to come here and detain any Texas citizen. We'll see how that progresses. IMO We The People are dealing with a NAZI or Communist oriented government, one that continues to violate the 4th Amendment and others. It started with the Patriot Act but those that support totalitarian rule don't seem to mind. And make no mistake, ALL police love totalitarian rule. They live on it like real people live on air and water. Cops are mere minions of those mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think Obama would have a hard time gaining the support of most long time officers. Before he can take it that far, he's going to need follow through with his dreams of creating his national security force and train brainwash them to do his bidding. The officers I surround myself with would fight to the end against that stuff. HA. Right. Sure, and I have some ocean front property in Kansas. Sure they would fight it, right. Cops by their very nature come brainwashed to abuse. That whole bully with a badge disease. I can only "hope" so. The Fed is becoming scary as hell IMO. :( Watch Shawshank Redemption for what they say about HOPE. And in this case.... +100000000000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 1) I said nothing about public street. It was the sidewalk of a business. That's personally owned. 2) Effects, etc., can be obtained through a search warrant. It's in the wording directly from the 4th amendment. Cops use technicalities to abuse. Criminals use them to get away from justice. See the similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Not exactly. A swept computer can still be searched and items found on it many times. A hard drive is never erased, only over-written. God. The point is not if you can. It is should you. That is the motto of a cop, not abuse if the law says I can. Ha. Think for yourself and do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Cops use technicalities to abuse. Criminals use them to get away from justice. See the similarities. I'm still waiting for you to show me where I've ever abused anyone. I put up the challenge years ago. I must have really gotten inside your head for you to be this consumed with me....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Bottom line: it is better for a criminal to go free than to give up even ONE of our Constitutional Rights.....that goes back to the old those who would rather be safe than free deserve to be neither..... +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Enough Said. Excellent Colmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Enough Said. Excellent Colmes. I think we can all agree with that. At least I know I can. Besides, that happens every day, thankfully. Accused criminals are set free every day because some overzealous cop or prosecutor tries to implement his own version of the Constitution. Now if we could just get those police and prosecutors to answer for their sins, we'd be in a lot better shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm still waiting for you to show me where I've ever abused anyone. I put up the challenge years ago. I must have really gotten inside your head for you to be this consumed with me....lol I have to start coming on here more, always good to start off the day with a good laugh. Ha. Keep telling yourself that, Gomer. Typical cop mentality you think it is all about you. You actually think it does have to do with you. Your nothing. This is about the abuses that cops inflict on citizens daily. This is about the police state which is ever expanding in our country! This is about the destruction of our CONSTITUTION! My opinions have little to do with some wanna be, playing cop in some small town nothing of a place which only survives by speed traps and trumped up stops. Surely you have some little old lady you can taze for not going spread eagle for you on the pavement? No? Maybe you can shoot her teacup poodle as it looks hungrily at your donout, thinking your life is in danger. No? Well you can always get back on here and then pout off like last time saying I am not going to be treated like trash. Ha. So go ahead, get that coffee refill and have another dozen donout holes while making Smalltown Nothingville safe from all those bad guys. Ha. As for your stupid CHALLENGE, what a BARNEY, again, this "ain't" about you. Again, what division of law enforcement were you in? Secret Service? CIA? FBI? Texas Rangers? Highway Patrol? Sheriff? City Cop? Or was it Night Hawk security? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camuchs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I have to start coming on here more, always good to start off the day with a good laugh. Ha. Keep telling yourself that, Gomer. Typical cop mentality you think it is all about you. You actually think it does have to do with you. Your nothing. This is about the abuses that cops inflict on citizens daily. This is about the police state which is ever expanding in our country! This is about the destruction of our CONSTITUTION! My opinions have little to do with some wanna be, playing cop in some small town nothing of a place which only survives by speed traps and trumped up stops. Surely you have some little old lady you can taze for not going spread eagle for you on the pavement? No? Maybe you can shoot her teacup poodle as it looks hungrily at your donout, thinking your life is in danger. No? Well you can always get back on here and then pout off like last time saying I am not going to be treated like trash. Ha. So go ahead, get that coffee refill and have another dozen donout holes while making Smalltown Nothingville safe from all those bad guys. Ha. As for your stupid CHALLENGE, what a BARNEY, again, this "ain't" about you. Again, what division of law enforcement were you in? Secret Service? CIA? FBI? Texas Rangers? Highway Patrol? Sheriff? City Cop? Or was it Night Hawk security? Mall Cop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think we can all agree with that. At least I know I can. Besides, that happens every day, thankfully. Accused criminals are set free every day because some overzealous cop or prosecutor tries to implement his own version of the Constitution. Now if we could just get those police and prosecutors to answer for their sins, we'd be in a lot better shape. The police state developing in this country is not being brought about by a few overzealous, rougue cops doing their own thing. This is a systematic problem by cops and the system they represent. Pick any state, any country, and you will find example after example of cops abusing citizens. Nice try. Also, might be better to let everyone decide for his/her self as to what "we" can all agree to. Tough for a "cop" to do, but might want to consider. Take this holiday program of "NO REFUSAL." You cannot get more abusive than forcing someone down and extracting their very blood. Now tell me that is not an abuse of the constitution? Please please say that. No. You will justify. Better yet, act like it is abusive and tell us how you and those you are over would never do such. You just wouldn't allow it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Dang!! Dang!! How did I miss the MALL COP? Hold on. Does Whiteville, Whitepine? Whitetree, White Okra, or White Oak even have a mall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camuchs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't know about those but Gladewater has a mainstreet shopping district don't they? Do antique shops on the downtown square count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1984 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I have to start coming on here more, always good to start off the day with a good laugh. Ha. Keep telling yourself that, Gomer. Typical cop mentality you think it is all about you. You actually think it does have to do with you. Your nothing. This is about the abuses that cops inflict on citizens daily. This is about the police state which is ever expanding in our country! This is about the destruction of our CONSTITUTION! My opinions have little to do with some wanna be, playing cop in some small town nothing of a place which only survives by speed traps and trumped up stops. Surely you have some little old lady you can taze for not going spread eagle for you on the pavement? No? Maybe you can shoot her teacup poodle as it looks hungrily at your donout, thinking your life is in danger. No? Well you can always get back on here and then pout off like last time saying I am not going to be treated like trash. Ha. So go ahead, get that coffee refill and have another dozen donout holes while making Smalltown Nothingville safe from all those bad guys. Ha. As for your stupid CHALLENGE, what a BARNEY, again, this "ain't" about you. Again, what division of law enforcement were you in? Secret Service? CIA? FBI? Texas Rangers? Highway Patrol? Sheriff? City Cop? Or was it Night Hawk security? Ahh but you see, when you say "typical cop mentality", you aren't discriminating good cop from bad cop, you are lumping every one of us together. Sorry, but not all of us police officers agree that the "end justifies the means". Any cop that would abuse the system, abuse people, and completely disregard the constitution, is nothing more than a "person" with an agenda. Nothing more than someone who would have that same mentality no matter what job they would have. Now then, those who are destroying the constitution are the same very people that keep getting elected back to office to "represent" the people. From what I'm reading, you have a hatred towards FiveOpd316 simply because he's a cop. Taze a little old lady? really? shoot her poodles because they're looking at his donuts? really? Wow, I guess I could walk down the street of any town in regular clothes and wave at you, probably getting a wave back. However, throw on the ole uniform and get nothing more than a look of disdain because I'm automatically "sterotyped" by you. The destruction of our constitution is being conducted by people just like you, just like me, just like every one else around you. You want to think that it is just being done by cops, by judges, by those with agendas... Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news there Locutus, but "OUR" constitution is being destroyed by every day Americans who aren't informed, aren't educated, and those who simply don't care. Let me ask you Locutus, aside from posting snide comments on Smoaky.com, what have YOU done to stop the erosion of OUR constitution? you know, aside from "well, I voted". You want to complain about how cops are doing this, and judges are doing that...BUT, what have YOU done to help that little old lady to not be tazed by a cop, or for her little poodles to not be shot. What did YOU do to prevent her from doing whatever it was to have the cops come in contact with her in the first place? You say this is about the abuses that cops commit on the "citizenry" on a daily basis. No, this is about ignorant and cold hearted people with no regard to anyone but themselves, who couldn't make it at anything else, becoming police officers. These are the bullies in school who want to keep being bullies, so they put on a badge in order to continue being bullies....and from the looks of your comment on this forum in regards to FiveOpd316, you fit that mold to the T. You want to crack comments on FiveO, but you would be the likely candidate to do the exact same thing that you're moaning about right now. By your comments, YOU would seem to be the type who would taze the little old lady, shoot her poodles, or do something to violate someone's constitutional rights. I give FiveO credit. Instead of firing back with a dose of your own medicine, he stayed professional. Good job FiveO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1984 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The police state developing in this country is not being brought about by a few overzealous, rougue cops doing their own thing. This is a systematic problem by cops and the system they represent. Pick any state, any country, and you will find example after example of cops abusing citizens. Nice try. Also, might be better to let everyone decide for his/her self as to what "we" can all agree to. Tough for a "cop" to do, but might want to consider. Take this holiday program of "NO REFUSAL." You cannot get more abusive than forcing someone down and extracting their very blood. Now tell me that is not an abuse of the constitution? Please please say that. No. You will justify. Better yet, act like it is abusive and tell us how you and those you are over would never do such. You just wouldn't allow it right? You call it a police state that is developing in this country, but the police doesn't make the laws in this country. Smoking or talking on cell phones inside of vehicles, most of us police officers can care less about that. You want to smoke in your car, light em up. The abuse that "bad cops" inflict on the "citizens" are happening because of low life bullies, or "citizens" with agendas who have become police officers. Like I said, those "bad cops" are citizens who love to bully, love to call people names, love to degrade anyone who disagrees with them..."does any of this look familiar" Locutus? Like I said in my earlier post, to us "good cops", the end doesn't justify the means. Also, I've been a police officer now for over 9 years and not once have I ever held someone down and extracted blood from them. If you know of a police officer who has done so, then please, by all means, report them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Take this holiday program of "NO REFUSAL." You cannot get more abusive than forcing someone down and extracting their very blood. Now tell me that is not an abuse of the constitution? Please please say that. No. You will justify. Better yet, act like it is abusive and tell us how you and those you are over would never do such. You just wouldn't allow it right? A blatant violation of the FOURTH AMENDMENT...... The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. And the FIFTH AMENDMENT...... No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 A blatant violation of the FOURTH AMENDMENT...... The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. There....I highlighted it again for you. Yes. It is legal to obtain evidence with a search warrant. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 So what gives cops the right to forcibly take blood if the person refuses???? THAT is a violation of the FIFTH AMENDMENT....I'll highlight THAT part for you...... And the FIFTH AMENDMENT...... No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation A persons blood is DEFINITELY that persons property.....where is the due process??? Where is this person's legal representation???? NAZI police tactics and very unAmerican..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 There....I highlighted it again for you. Yes. It is legal to obtain evidence with a search warrant. Period. and just when exactly does a cop GET a search warrant which allows him to TAKE the blood from a person who has refused to give it???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 and just when exactly does a cop GET a search warrant which allows him to TAKE the blood from a person who has refused to give it???? When he has probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime and that the suspect's blood contains evidence of that crime. Once he swears to that under oath to a judge, and if that judge believes it is truthful and rises to the level of probable cause, the judge can then issue a warrant. Just like an officer would in a sexual assault case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So what gives cops the right to forcibly take blood if the person refuses???? THAT is a violation of the FIFTH AMENDMENT....I'll highlight THAT part for you...... And the FIFTH AMENDMENT...... No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation A persons blood is DEFINITELY that persons property.....where is the due process??? Where is this person's legal representation???? NAZI police tactics and very unAmerican..... Obtaining the search warrant is indeed a part of that due process which allows said evidence to be collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 When he has probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime and that the suspect's blood contains evidence of that crime. Once he swears to that under oath to a judge, and if that judge believes it is truthful and rises to the level of probable cause, the judge can then issue a warrant. Just like an officer would in a sexual assault case. So at what point between pulling the suspected drunk driver over and then forcibly taking his blood when he refuses to submit to any tests does the cop get in touch with the judge and get the warrant??? And at what point is the suspect given HIS right to counsel??? I am not satisfied that this person's FOURTH AMENDMENT rights are not being violated blatantly...... Obtaining the search warrant is indeed a part of that due process which allows said evidence to be collected. See the above question.....:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So at what point between pulling the suspected drunk driver over and then forcibly taking his blood when he refuses to submit to any tests does the cop get in touch with the judge and get the warrant??? And at what point is the suspect given HIS right to counsel??? I am not satisfied that this person's FOURTH AMENDMENT rights are not being violated blatantly..... If the officer believes the suspect to be intoxicated he then arrests him and requests a specimen. If he refuses, at that point, the officer contacts the judge, fill out a warrant affidavit, and presents it to the judge. The judges, if finding there is probable cause, then has the officer swear that the information is true and correct. That is when the warrant is issued. The suspect is then taken to the hospital where a qualified person draws a blood specimen. The suspect always has a right to counsel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 BTW...I rarely get a search warrant. I usually let the video stand alone. Sadly, drunks are always eager to show everyone exactly how drunk they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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