TheShadowKnows Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 My question goes to this.... if he had a job say working in a bank, would he need to be fired? It depends how much you value the integrity of your Bank. Would you want to give your money to a guy with a drinking problem? Should the ole boy be kicked out of the teaching profession? I would say no, but does he know deserved the right to be fired? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEdge Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 When it comes to personal conduct coaches and teachers are considered to be pillars of the community and so important to our children. But the first time you say something about teachers and coaches pay the importance of the same profession becomes less important. A double standard is in place in this situation. I wander how many of these "fire him" people have done the same thing in their life. Yeah luckily he didn't kill or injure anyone, but let those without sin throw the first stone. I guarantee you if you fired people for DWI's then unemployment would be through the roof. But most people are not smeared all over the front of the newspaper. You would be surprised at the people you know that have done the same thing. He made a mistake and let him work on his problem. Get off your high horses and look at your own lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whocanitbenow Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 All I want to know is what bar he was at before all this went down. I'm gonna have to make a Saturday night trip there...evidently they have pretty good drink specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whousecats Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Bet he was at the Jaguar haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachc45 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Saw this on the news and and was saddened. It reminded me of a good friend who's life was ruined by drinking alcohol to the point he couldn't put the bottle down. Not only is it an embarrassment to himself, it is an embarrassment to the school. Makes you wonder how many times he came to school under the influence. Is that the kind of atmosphere you would want to put your kid in? I don't think so. Public servants should and must be held to a higher standard of accountability. I don't know the man, so it't kinda hard to make a decision on how much he drinks, but in my opinion, at the least he should be suspended and made to join AAA meetings until he can prove he can meet that standard. If he can't, he should be fired. I think that is pretty much the way most companies handle employees if they are unable to make it to work sober, or can't come to work because they are in jail. Treated as a sickness because that is what it is. It was obvious that this man was very intoxicated. I'm just glad he didn't kill himself of others driving drunk. Â I do not agree with what he did, first and foremost. But I do want to point out one error you made in your statement...... Â Coaches are not considered Public Servants. Not listed under that Law in the State of Texas. Little known fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamewatcher63 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Would you consider coaches as community servants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Why on earth has this thread turned into a sin is a sin thread? Â Absolutely ridiculous, this entire thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOBOFAN84 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 And before I get accused of being on my moral high horse........ I drink. I drink often. And at times, I can drink in heavy quantities. There are posters on SDC that can attest to it because they have witnessed it. Â But they have also seen me both have a DD..... and be others' DD. It's not that hard to do. Â In fact.....a certain SDCer was mine a few weeks ago (shut it!!! lmao) Â So.....making wise decisions when you're drinking IS POSSIBLE. Â Rant over. I will always be DD, as long as you don't threaten my chrome Rockin L!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachc45 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Would you consider coaches as community servants? Â What is a community servant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4to3 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Â I do not agree with what he did, first and foremost. But I do want to point out one error you made in your statement...... Â Coaches are not considered Public Servants. Not listed under that Law in the State of Texas. Little known fact. Â Â Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I will always be DD, as long as you don't threaten my chrome Rockin L!!! Â Opps....I forgot about that. LMAO. My bad. it was laughing at me....or so I thought. Â Â Why on earth has this thread turned into a sin is a sin thread? Â Absolutely ridiculous, this entire thread. Â Agreed. While breaking the law is GENERALLY a sin.... the two are mutually exclusive in the workplace. The constitution makes sure of that. Â Even as a Christian..... seeing someone lose their job because they broke the law is one thing. But to see them lose their job over sin..... welll.... that's another. Â If that was the case....I would have been ex-communicated from healthcare before I even graduated college or finished my internship. Â If the guy loses his job... it wont be because he sinned. The ACLU (ughhh) would eat that up. But losing it becasuse he had charges brought against him... that's a completely different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOBOFAN84 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Â Opps....I forgot about that. LMAO. My bad. it was laughing at me....or so I thought. Â Â Â Â Oh, I was laughing right a long with ya', while I threatened you with your life!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamewatcher63 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Â What is a community servant? Â Normally someone who volunteers their time for the community. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingnut Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 For those out there that are keeping Coach Baugh, Dr. Richardson & the school board in their prayers, I want to ask you to also remember Coach Kevin Clark's daughter Sam, who was hurt badly in an auto accident. She had a HALO attached this morning and will also need hip surgery. Appreciate it if you would keep Kevin and his wife and daughters in your prayers at this time!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachc45 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Â Â Source? Jeffery Doyle Roberson's trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4to3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Jeffery Doyle Roberson's trial. He was charged with Aggravated Assault Of A Public Servant and the jury found him guilty of the lesser included offense of Aggravated Assault. He argued the coach was not a public servant but the trial court did not rule that he was not a public servant, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgman Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 He was charged with Aggravated Assault Of A Public Servant and the jury found him guilty of the lesser included offense of Aggravated Assault. He argued the coach was not a public servant but the trial court did not rule that he was not a public servant, right? Incorrect, his sentence did not even come close to what would have happened if it was a public servant. Teachers are not classified as public servants at all in Texas. That is also why there is a teacher retirement in Texas versus a state retirement for all "state" employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleSlicks Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I do not know him, but I would say the number of times he has go to school intoxicated would be zero or less. I also think you implying he might have is very ignorant. I say it because my very close friend came to work several times drunk., too drunk to realize he needed to stay home. I also smelled in behind the vale of breath mints, and mouthwash many times. Whether or not coach did I have no Idea, your right on that point.Speculation it is. But your saying an alcoholic, if that's what he is, wouldn't go to work under the influence is just as ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4to3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Incorrect, his sentence did not even come close to what would have happened if it was a public servant. Teachers are not classified as public servants at all in Texas. That is also why there is a teacher retirement in Texas versus a state retirement for all "state" employees. The sentence was lesser because he was convicted of a lesser included offense.  TASB seems to disagree with you. See paragraph two at the link http://www.tasb.org/services/legal/esource/governance/documents/gifts_to_pub_servant.pdf as well as an attorney from the Texas Classroom Teachers Association at paragraphs 19-20....http://theexaminer.com/stories/news/black-and-blue   and the Texas Penal Code definition...... "Public servant" means a person elected, selected, appointed, employed, or otherwise designated as one of the following, even if he has not yet qualified for office or assumed his duties: (A) an officer, employee, or agent of government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgman Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Texas teachers are employees of independent school districts not the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgman Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The State could not prove Robertson guilty of assault on a Public Servant. Why? His lawyer argued Kinne was not a public servant. The jury agreed and he was convicted of a lesser crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgman Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 http://m.lubbockonline.com/editorials-letters/2011-03-25/letter-teachers-are-either-government-employees-or-not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgman Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Here you go, the Texas Constitution. Notice that teachers are referred to as members of TRS and not government officials/employees  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/GV/htm/GV.805.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4to3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Texas teachers are employees of independent school districts not the government School districts are governmental agencies and political subdivisions of the state...read the definitions  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/LG/htm/LG.271.htm  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/LG/htm/LG.172.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleSlicks Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 lol He works at a public school. He's payed by the tax payers of the School District, may even get supplemented by the state, I don't know.. The School board is the governing body of the district, elected by the voters of the district. And right now, I would think that School board is knee deep in this mess he has created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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