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All that would have to happen for peace in Israel would be for the Muslims to stop shooting at them.

 

If Israel suddenly threw down their arms and promised peace, they would be wiped off the earth. If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more war.

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Israel would do fine without our aid but if I am going to send anyone aid it would be them, Russian sanctions? Russian doesn't have anything anyone would want but cheap weapons, oil & gas sometimes that is enough.

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http://www.lwf.org/site/News2?id=10550

 

Why Should We Love Israel?

18387.jpgIt seems as though the eyes of the entire world are continually upon the tiny state of Israel, and your eyes need to be there as well, for the Jews are God’s people and Israel is a land of destiny. Israel is God’s measuring rod and blueprint for what He is doing in the world.

As we “Dig Deeper” this month, we ask, Does God focus special love and attention on Israel? Is there an intimate love for this nation? What is His sovereign plan for Israel (as described in Revelation 12)?........

......Yes, God has a plan for Israel—

  • conceived by God in eternity past
  • initiated when He called Abraham
  • and to be brought to fulfillment one day when all Israel will “look upon Him whom they have pierced” (John 19:36-39) and make Him their Lord.

We are to love what God loves, and God loves His chosen people. He has made them a blessing that they might be a blessing to the world.

Thank God that there is coming a day when all of this will unfold. However and whenever it does, we know this: Jesus is Lord and He’s coming again. Praise His name!

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So, was this the American Christian stance before World War II and for most of country's history when the concept of Israel wasn't a reality? When did America start liking Jewish people after years of discrimination and recrimination? Or, is there is still a lot of derision and bad feelings toward the Jews, but because of the Biblical stance, mostly Revelations related, just a shiny hue put on it? I am not poking fun...I would like to know thoughts.

I don't know if there was an American Christian stance before WW II. American Christians probably where just as divided back then as they are now. Christians agree on some thing and disagree on others. I was never taught anything about Jew other than they are Gods chosen people and we need to be on their side because God is on their side.
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From what I've been reading, we've been telling Israel to leave Hamas alone. I think Hamas is Israel's problem, and I don't have a problem with the way they are responding to their ongoing attacks. I honestly think we should let them take care of it, and not provide any support for either side. As for Russia and the Ukraine they can settle their differences as well. It seems that there is a majority of people that want to secede in those regions and rejoin Russia. We should let them settle that issue on their own without any sanctions.

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So, was this the American Christian stance before World War II and for most of country's history when the concept of Israel wasn't a reality? When did America start liking Jewish people after years of discrimination and recrimination? Or, is there is still a lot of derision and bad feelings toward the Jews, but because of the Biblical stance, mostly Revelations related, just a shiny hue put on it? I am not poking fun...I would like to know thoughts.

 

Just goes to show that it's not about religion, but about good people and bad people.

 

The entire time I was growing up (in East Texas, the whole time) I never heard anything bad about the Jewish people. The only thing I knew was that they went to a different church just like 99% of the total population did. It wasn't until I was out of high school that I heard of anyone having issues with Jewish people and that was typically from "intellectual college folks". It was news to me that Jews were hated by anyone other than Hitler and the Nazis.

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Just goes to show that it's not about religion, but about good people and bad people.

 

The entire time I was growing up (in East Texas, the whole time) I never heard anything bad about the Jewish people. The only thing I knew was that they went to a different church just like 99% of the total population did. It wasn't until I was out of high school that I heard of anyone having issues with Jewish people and that was typically from "intellectual college folks". It was news to me that Jews were hated by anyone other than Hitler and the Nazis.

I agree with this. I saw more antisemitism in the media than I did in person. I don't have a problem with most Muslims either, unless they have some ill conceived notion to take over the world, and remove any infidel that doesn't believe as they do. That's the problem I have with most Communists too, they want to take over this Nation that has always allowed freedom, but they desire to take those freedoms away from everyone.

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I agree with this. I saw more antisemitism in the media than I did in person. I don't have a problem with most Muslims either, unless they have some ill conceived notion to take over the world, and remove any infidel that doesn't believe as they do. That's the problem I have with most Communists too, they want to take over this Nation that has always allowed freedom, but they desire to take those freedoms away from everyone.

 

The only thing I had heard that might be construed as a negative of Muslims was that a lot of prisoners were members of the Nation of Islam. When I think of it, it wasn't based in negativity at all....just a reality.

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So, was this the American Christian stance before World War II and for most of country's history when the concept of Israel wasn't a reality? Well since Israel became a nation in a single day (May 14, 1948) I do not think many saw this one coming except Isaiah 66:6-10. When did America start liking Jewish people after years of discrimination and recrimination? ​This is a loaded question. After the socialist of Germany killed 6 million Jews Or, is there is still a lot of derision and bad feelings toward the Jews,I since a rise of anti-semitism in America but because of the Biblical stance, mostly Revelations related, just a shiny hue put on it? Eschatology has a lot to do with how one views Israel. I am not poking fun...I would like to know thoughts.

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Just goes to show that it's not about religion, but about good people and bad people.

 

The entire time I was growing up (in East Texas, the whole time) I never heard anything bad about the Jewish people. The only thing I knew was that they went to a different church just like 99% of the total population did. It wasn't until I was out of high school that I heard of anyone having issues with Jewish people and that was typically from "intellectual college folks". It was news to me that Jews were hated by anyone other than Hitler and the Nazis.

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Just goes to show that it's not about religion, but about good people and bad people.

 

The entire time I was growing up (in East Texas, the whole time) I never heard anything bad about the Jewish people. The only thing I knew was that they went to a different church just like 99% of the total population did. It wasn't until I was out of high school that I heard of anyone having issues with Jewish people and that was typically from "intellectual college folks". It was news to me that Jews were hated by anyone other than Hitler and the Nazis.

Well said

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Harrier I enjoyed reading your links.

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How one views Israel has a lot to do with ones eschatology. http://www.thepropheticyears.com/The%20book%20of%20Revelation/Introduction.HTM

 

Different views in the Church on the interpretation of the book of Revelation:

1. Preterist The judgments in the book of Revelation already happen at or before 70 AD. The book was written prior to 70 AD to comfort Christians persecuted by Jews and by others. This view claims the Church has been reigning on earth in the kingdom since Pentecost. The world according to the preterist will become progressively more and more Christian and will get better and better. The Church is true Israel.

2. Idealist - Revelation contains mostly figurative symbolism and metaphors about the spiritual battle between good and evil. There is no future physical fulfillment of the judgments in Revelation on earth. The Church is true Israel or replaces or supersedes Israel and inherits all promises to divorced natural Israel.

3. Historicist - The events in Revelation unfold through history - the papal system fulfills the role of the Antichrist. The Church fulfills all promises given to natural Israel.

4. Futurist Most of the prophecies in Revelation have a literal future fulfillment. Christ will come again and set up His kingdom on earth from Jerusalem for one thousand years and the establishment of this kingdom will fulfill all promises given to natural Israel.

Within the Futurist camp, there are three main sub-divisions:

A. Historic premillennialism - Is distinctively non-dispensational. This means that it sees no radical theological distinction between Israel and the Church. It is often post tribulation meaning that the rapture of the church will occur after a period of tribulation. Historic premillennialism maintains chiliasm because of its view that the church will be caught up to meet Christ in the air and then escort him to the earth in order to share in his literal thousand year rule.

B. Post-tribulation removal of the Church - The Judgments in Revelation are literal events on earth but the Church will go through most or all of this time of trouble.

C. Pre-tribulation removal of the Church - The true Church will be removed at the rapture prior to the judgments described in Revelation but many will find salvation afterward during the time known as the tribulation on the earth.

Within the pre-millennial view that sees a sharp distinction between Israel and the Church, there are two main schools of thought:

a. Classical Dispensationalism - There will be a literal normal fulfillment of the things written in the book. The Church does not replace Israel and is distinct from Israel. Most see prophetic fulfillment in the return of Jews to the land of Israel.

b. Progressive Dispensationalism - There is a past and future literal fulfillment of prophetic scripture to the natural descendants of Israel. Most also claim spiritual fulfillment of some prophetic scripture to the Church "the Israel of God". Some claim the seal events had partial fulfillment in 70 A.D. However, many that do, claim there will be a more complete or "progressive" fulfillment of these prophecies in the future. Some progressive dispensationalists see no prophetic significance to the new nation of Israel and the return of the Jews to the land. They believe God is not fulfilling and will not fulfill any unfulfilled prophecy to the descendants of Israel until they repent in the tribulation and accept their Messiah. The Progressive Dispensationalist viewpoint varies quite a bit. It attempts to bridge theologies on eschatology and is becoming the prevalent view taught in most dispensational evangelical seminaries and Bible colleges.

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Glad you enjoyed the links. Let's put the views and eschatology aside and concentrate on the written word.

 

Are the Jews God's chosen people?

 

Many people are asking about the Jews as God's people. Are the Jews God's people today? Are there any prophecies or commands of God as to how Christians are to deal with them? Are the things happening in Palestine any indication of the coming of Jesus? What about the inheritance of the Jews and when will they receive it?

 

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/are-jews-gods-chosen-people

 

As a side note, not many years ago I attended a congregation that flew the flag of the Country of Israel alongside our own nation's flag on separate flag poles side by side in the facility's front lawn. I found the Biblical teachings sound and the pastor was quite moving in his sermons. As time passed I began to realize through private conversation with members their point of view in standing with Israel was primarily based on the idea Jews are the chosen people. I thought about this, prayed about it and came to the conclusion the view was not for me.

The Jews are still God's chosen people...http://www.gotquestions.org/Gods-chosen-people.html

 

Know does that mean they are saved? No, only by faith alone, in Christ alone is one saved.

 

Is God still going to use the nation Israel in the future? yes, I am not in the camp that says the Church replaced Israel. http://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-church.html

 

Now is Israel perfect? No, but how on earth is Israel even a nation unless God has a purpose for it.

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