RedCreek49 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12179571/joe-paterno-112-wins-were-vacated-restored The NCAA on Friday announced a proposed agreement that would restore 112 wins by Penn State's football team that were wiped out during the Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal and would put the late Joe Paterno back as the winningest coach in major college football history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I am so glad to see this. Joe Paterno, regardless of what really went down or if he really knew, is one of the biggest icons in sports history. His dedication and success at PSU will NEVER be matched by another coach in college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 They "want their wins back"? Are you kidding me? I'm sure all those kids would like their anal virginity back. Anyone who can speak in support of Joe Paterno is a flaming idiot. The man knew what was going on and did virtually nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 They "want their wins back"? Are you kidding me? I'm sure all those kids would like their anal virginity back. Anyone who can speak in support of Joe Paterno is a flaming idiot. The man knew what was going on and did virtually nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm a little rusty on the details of this so let's discuss it. Was it ever PROVEN that Paterno knew of this and turned the other cheek? I'm asking because us assuming and it being proven are two totally different things. I also want you to look at this from another point of view. Let's say he did know what happened. He then was faced with two options. Tell the press and have the university dragged into it on his terms, or try to conceal it and make sure it never happened again. I'm not talking about paying kids off or anything like that, but relieving Sandusky of his duties and letting the legal aspect shake out however the victims see fit. Paterno did not commit these crimes. He was not lying and concealing these crimes. He simply made a mistake on how to handle it, if he even knew to begin with. I think lumping him with the guilty party is too harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justafan903 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 They "want their wins back"? Are you kidding me? I'm sure all those kids would like their anal virginity back. Anyone who can speak in support of Joe Paterno is a flaming idiot. The man knew what was going on and did virtually nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. +1000 They "want their wins back"? Are you kidding me? I'm sure all those kids would like their anal virginity back. Anyone who can speak in support of Joe Paterno is a flaming idiot. The man knew what was going on and did virtually nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawemoff Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm a little rusty on the details of this so let's discuss it. Was it ever PROVEN that Paterno knew of this and turned the other cheek? I'm asking because us assuming and it being proven are two totally different things. I also want you to look at this from another point of view. Let's say he did know what happened. He then was faced with two options. Tell the press and have the university dragged into it on his terms, or try to conceal it and make sure it never happened again. I'm not talking about paying kids off or anything like that, but relieving Sandusky of his duties and letting the legal aspect shake out however the victims see fit. Paterno did not commit these crimes. He was not lying and concealing these crimes. He simply made a mistake on how to handle it, if he even knew to begin with. I think lumping him with the guilty party is too harsh. Simply made a mistake? Are you kidding me? He simply leave his lights on his car. He didn't simply forget to put the toilet seat down. If he knew this, which he absolutely had to know, he was just as guilty. He would have been an accomplice to the crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Simply made a mistake? Are you kidding me? He simply leave his lights on his car. He didn't simply forget to put the toilet seat down. If he knew this, which he absolutely had to know, he was just as guilty. He would have been an accomplice to the crimes. He was never viewed as an accomplice is my point. If there had been factual evidence it was covered up he would have been on trial as well. I'm not going to judge one of the class acts of college football based on an assumption. If it was fact he knew and covered it up, then I agree with burning his reputation. But I'm not willing to discredit all the class he showed during his time there because of an assumption. Again that's why I asked if it was ever proven he lied or tried to help Sandusky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 @FauxPelini: Add the restoration of his 111 wins to the list of things Joe Paterno never saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm a little rusty on the details of this so let's discuss it. Was it ever PROVEN that Paterno knew of this and turned the other cheek? I'm asking because us assuming and it being proven are two totally different things. I also want you to look at this from another point of view. Let's say he did know what happened. He then was faced with two options. Tell the press and have the university dragged into it on his terms, or try to conceal it and make sure it never happened again. I'm not talking about paying kids off or anything like that, but relieving Sandusky of his duties and letting the legal aspect shake out however the victims see fit. Paterno did not commit these crimes. He was not lying and concealing these crimes. He simply made a mistake on how to handle it, if he even knew to begin with. I think lumping him with the guilty party is too harsh. Tell the press? Do what? I just refuse to believe you are even being remotely serious here. Hell no JoPa shouldn't have gone to the press. He should've gone to the police. And yes you must be very foggy indeed. It has been proven definitively that he knew what was going on. He DID virtually nothing. In fact, he enabled Sandusky by allowing him access to the athletic facilities and host camps ect with freaking KIDS! The old man closed his office door, turned a deaf ear and pretended nothing was happening. He deserves no glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1256931-penn-state-football-scandal-now-we-know-what-joe-paterno-knew Here's an article which explains what Joe Paterno knew... for those of you with foggy memories. McQueary testified that he told Paterno what he saw and the article goes on to explain how Paterno was part of the cover up. In fact, Paterno knew well before this incident that due to the 1998 investigation of Sandusky. Paterno cut short a fund raising trip and canceled a vacation due to the investigation. Shortly thereafter Sandusky resigned as the defensive coordinator for the Lions. There is no way on earth that Paterno did not know why or what hid DC was being investigated and subsequently resigned for. At the end, Joe Paterno tried to plead ignorance and innocent but that was only to try and cover his own butt(pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1256931-penn-state-football-scandal-now-we-know-what-joe-paterno-knew Here's an article which explains what Joe Paterno knew... for those of you with foggy memories. McQueary testified that he told Paterno what he saw and the article goes on to explain how Paterno was part of the cover up. In fact, Paterno knew well before this incident that due to the 1998 investigation of Sandusky. Paterno cut short a fund raising trip and canceled a vacation due to the investigation. Shortly thereafter Sandusky resigned as the defensive coordinator for the Lions. There is no way on earth that Paterno did not know why or what hid DC was being investigated and subsequently resigned for. At the end, Joe Paterno tried to plead ignorance and innocent but that was only to try and cover his own butt(pun intended) Thanks for the link. Yea if he did all that I agree he deserved what he got. Shame that such a great story had such a terrible ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukeshot Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yeah, it's a shame he's getting his wins back, but at least he died knowing his precious (and fraudulent) image was in the crapper with everyone save his worshippers in Happy Valley. You can't put a price tag on that. Now the question is: will Penn State have the nerve to put his statue back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yeah, it's a shame he's getting his wins back, but at least he died knowing his precious (and fraudulent) image was in the crapper with everyone save his worshippers in Happy Valley. You can't put a price tag on that. Now the question is: will Penn State have the nerve to put his statue back up? When was it ever taken down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal13 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Thanks for the link. Yea if he did all that I agree he deserved what he got. Shame that such a great story had such a terrible ending. It's cool man. The question as to whether JP knew is and has been settled for some time now. If he was the noble man some claim him to be, he would've owned up to what he did and I would at least have a shred of respect for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCreek49 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Here Jay Paterno bash/criticize the NCAA investigator for ever handing out punishment to start with! Says Daddy was did no wrong! http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12181869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCreek49 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Paterno won games with recruits that he otherwise would not have gotten (at lease a good many of them) if the truth would have come out! So, in my opinion, Paterno covered up the actions so he his recruiting wold not be affects and win more games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 When was it ever taken down? It was taken down almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 There were at least 19 people that new of what Sandusky did including Anthony Sassano Office of Attorney General, Ray Gricar County District Attorney, Jerry Lauro Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, Ralph Ralston State College Police Detective. I think Paterno thought the authorities were handling the molestation accusations. While there does seem to be a coverup, what more could Paterno do that wasn't being done by the Police and District Attorneys office ? This might be why the NCAA has reinstated the wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 There were at least 19 people that new of what Sandusky did including Anthony Sassano Office of Attorney General, Ray Gricar County District Attorney, Jerry Lauro Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, Ralph Ralston State College Police Detective. I think Paterno thought the authorities were handling the molestation accusations. While there does seem to be a coverup, what more could Paterno do that wasn't being done by the Police and District Attorneys office ? This might be why the NCAA has reinstated the wins. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Paterno won games with recruits that he otherwise would not have gotten (at lease a good many of them) if the truth would have come out! So, in my opinion, Paterno covered up the actions so he his recruiting wold not be affects and win more games! Let's say hypothetically that JoePa told the truth about it the moment it happened and Sandusky was properly dealt with. How would that have hurt recruiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Penn State won those games though. It's not like you can go back and change what happened on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Let's say hypothetically that JoePa told the truth about it the moment it happened and Sandusky was properly dealt with. How would that have hurt recruiting? We don't actually know that he didn't. We do know that Gary Schultz and Timothy Curley were indicted, and I'm not sure if they would have charged Joe Paterno if he hadn't passed away. Evidently the NCAA decided for whatever reason to reinstate those victories, if they find that Paterno did know more than what is on record, I'm sure they will take them away again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Let's say hypothetically that JoePa told the truth about it the moment it happened and Sandusky was properly dealt with. How would that have hurt recruiting? Doesn't matter. Recruiting isn't even an afterthought when something like this comes to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedCreek49 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 So did all the team that got put on probation and had titles and games took away from them. If you give Penn State back their wins then you might as well reinstate wins for all the other teams! The only reason they are reinstating the wins is because of the lawsuit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The Sports Information Departments around the nation will be busy updating their schools historical records. I always found it odd when the NCAA vacates a win, the team that lost on the field is given a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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