roughneck21 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 http://aattp.org/texas-principal-bible-school-announcements/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Good for Mr. Noll.....there IS no "separation of church and state" in The Constitution....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Can you show me where church and state are combined in the constitution? And just wondering what if he had read a book other than the bible would you feel the same way? Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. IF he had been reading any other book besides The Bible, you libtard pinko commies wouldn't be complaining one bit....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 That does not say the State and the Church are one, that says we have the freedom to worship in our own way. You are inferring the free exercise means anywhere. If they were reading from the Book of Mormon would you be ok with that? The typical right wing answer to anything is to say "you liberal" but what you really want is things EXACTLY your way and when they are not you cry foul. WITHOUT prohibition.....if I can't exercise my religion anywhere I so choose, my FIRST AMENDMENT rights have been violated......If they were reading from the Book of Mormon, no one would be saying anything....the only reason this is an issue is because you anti-God pinko commies are trying to force YOUR beliefs on everyone........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 show me where the founding fathers spoke on this, clarify it with facts. http://www.constitution.org/afp/afp.htm http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/fed.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 First one says nothing. And yes I have read the Fedealist papers. I notice you didn't post anything by Jefferson, does that not fit your bill? you actually have to click the links to read the anti-federalist papers.......takes a little effort......the Federalist Papers and the anti-Federalist papers are the answer to your query to be shown what the founding fathers thoughts were on this.......just because you are obviously incapable of understanding what they wrote in no way diminishes it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ok show me what I am missing. And just of note the papers, either side, are not the constitution. I thought you interpreted the constitution very literally? The papers are the authors THOUGHTS on how they believed The Constitution should be interpreted......I'm not going to dig through and find what you want.....you are capable of doing that......your query was answered...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 And neither directly answer the question of church and state. The cover bill of rights, needed not needed. Jefferson also spoke on it, but you chose to leave him out. if you are too ignorant to see the question you asked was answered by the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers, I guess there is no hope for you.......if you want to add Jefferson's quotes in, feel free to post them....they DON'T answer the question you originally asked..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Any answers that come from items other than constitution are mearly the thoughts and ides of ONLY those individuals and not the ideas of the whole. THAT'S what you asked for...... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 True, but still not accurate.It is an accurate answer to the question you asked...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 http://aattp.org/texas-principal-bible-school-announcements/ you think you can find a site even more liberal infested than that one next time, roughneck???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Yea because wnd is not super conservative. WND's NEWS articles come from news organizations across the nation......you, like your pals Larry and Screamer, obviously have trouble distinguishing between news and commentary...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 So your saying it is NOT a heavy right conservative site? Most of what it has is little substance and mostly shock to increase the clicks. again, you are obviously too ignorant to know the difference between news and commentary.......so this conversation, like most of our others, is going nowhere....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingnut Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Good for Noll & Gilbert! White Oak should be proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Yes most of wat is on wnd is commentary I understand. And yes almost all of it is far right wing conservative. It is written in the opinion of the author and in most cases very little facts are used to back them up. Most of what is on WND is links to NEWS stories from other sites........and the commentary does not affect the validity of the actual NEWS on the site....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I tend to place validity on facts and much of what I have read on there is very loosely based. Going all the way back to the birth certificate. Their FACTS have not been shown to contradict the evidence....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Uh yes they have, I'd like to see your evidence on that....I won't hold my breath...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 If you google the birth certificate you can SEE it, but then that would be a false plant right Mr. Stone? I did all that at the time.....looked like a fake to me....and no one has yet proven that it IS legitimate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 http://aattp.org/texas-principal-bible-school-announcements/Don't you just love the way the article frames the Christians as the extremists? You'd think he was beheading students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. IF he had been reading any other book besides The Bible, you libtard pinko commies wouldn't be complaining one bit....... This is correct, but people actually believe that there is a separation of church and state. It only prevents the establishment of a State Religion, but can in no way prohibit the freedom to exercise that right or limit what speech can be made. However, through court rulings the State has in de facto made atheism the State religion. This is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment. People now accept it as common law since the 60's, and it will never be repealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 so since we have FREEDOM of religion what do you think the state religion should be? What if you live in a town made up of mostly Musliums? How about Buddhist? What about Mormons? What happens when the "Bible" reading disagrees with your personal religious beliefs? The founding fathers did not come from one church and there is no evidence they were even under the same belief system It shouldn't be anything, including atheism. We should all be given the freedom of speech, especially in schools, when it should have dialogue, discussion, and debate regarding all aspects of humanity. The Government should not make any ruling to remove those aspects. I am not offended by any man's religion, only if the actions of said religions result in destruction, loss of freedoms, or life. Our founding fathers knew that those restraints should never be mandated, yet they have by judicial decrees. America is truly an atheist nation based on those rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 No one has PROVEN it is a fake. It looks 100% accurate. One does not have to prove a negative.....they claim its real, the burden of proof is on them....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 So guilty until proven innocent? Yep that is what our country is founded on......they showed it you can see pictures of it, ok show it is NOT real. What you can't? What it has proven so many times that even the great Fox News dropped it? guilty until proven innocent would BE having to prove a negative.....you would have to prove you didn't do it.....proving the affirmative means that the one doing the accusing must prove the accusation......hence, OUR system of innocent until PROVEN guilty...... Pictures can be doctored...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 That does not say the State and the Church are one, that says we have the freedom to worship in our own way. You are inferring the free exercise means anywhere. If they were reading from the Book of Mormon would you be ok with that? The typical right wing answer to anything is to say "you liberal" but what you really want is things EXACTLY your way and when they are not you cry foul. The principal is not saying in order to do/be one must go to or be affiliated with any religious organization, so nothing has been violated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingnut Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What happens when the "Bible" reading disagrees with your personal religious beliefs? He is only reading the scripture, not interpreting it for the students or whoever is listening. What is done with that scripture or reading is up to the individual themselves. Or even to listen for that matter. During the course of any school day, students are forced to not only read textbooks, but to write essays on what they have read. They are forced to study history and other religions around the world, but yet if one teacher, principal or any other school administrator mentions Christianity, lawsuits start flying all over. When I was in school (long time ago), we could not only bring Bibles to school to read, but we could talk about it in class. Those were the good old days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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