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Week Seven: Longview at Marshall


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Longview Lobos (4-1) vs Marshall Mavericks (5-0)  

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  1. 1. Who wins?

    • Longview in a blow out
    • Longview in a close one
    • Marshall in a close one
    • Marshall in a blow out
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I've lowered my expectations. And, like YC123 said, when we get championship talent. So, in some fairness to King, he ain't working with nothing. Now, I am going to say this. It DON'T take Championship Talent every year to win a State Championship. Sometimes, just SOMETIMES it takes a Championship Coach do take what he has and make it work. When you're lacking talent wise, you BETTER be completely and fundamentally DISCIPLINED to beat teams that are more talented than you are. It don't take an athlete to run a 4.3 forty yard dash to win on isolated coverages. Nor, does it take the same to play the right assignments in the secondary and give up big play after big play after big play.

We have had the talent more than once. Last two times were in State championship they had better talent both times but didn't have fundementals

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Anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming. Lufkin and JT both had wide open TD passes dropped as did Byrd. I stated that if Longview couldn't cover the deep pass we were in trouble. This program is not a lot different than when Cox was here. Typically win district(which we wont this year) go a round or two in the playoff and start thinking about next year. Tobin hit the nail on the head, Longview has the same issues year in and year out. We are a good team, not a great team. Go Lobos


And again Congrats to Marshall played hard laid it on the line and won the game.

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The Lobos will be FINE! They are so stinking talented it's stupid. I wouldn't want to play them again.

 

I'm their biggest "non Lobo" supporter the rest of the way. And I'm really pulling for them next week!

 

So stinking proud of our guys. Coach Harper has had the program moving in the right direction since he came to town. And the jobs not done.

 

A loss last night was not going to ruin our season. But a win over Longview also isn't our ultimate goal. We have bigger fish to fry... And we have Greenville next week followed by a game in a stadium that has been a house of horrors for us for nearly 2 decades.

 

I'm not going to trash talk Longview. I respect their program way too much. They have talent out of their ears. Their coaching staff's records speak for themselves. Put the torches and rope away. It's ridiculous.

 

Oh..... And to the Longview guy that said we were a 4A program......amongst several other insulting comments on another board this week..... SHOVE IT!

 

Good luck to the Lobos the rest of the way.... You guys are tough!

 

And GO Mavs Go!!!

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Let me tell you and the rest of you socialist rainbow flower pickers, tree huggers and butt sniffers something. This is an open forum with opinions that will be either for or against certain issues. I WILL NOT support half hearted effort-period. Now, I am going to give the Mavs coaches and players their due respect also. That administration has turned it around and they don't play that good ole' boy system in Marshall and it's about to show big time.

They went and got Lake Travis offensive coordinator, Kilgore College's former Head Coach, a no nonsense 100% Maverick from back in the day as head coach. The REAL Cancer is folks like y'all that baby kids and make excuses for EVERYTHING they do. Anytime someone makes a motion to correct some flaws in the system you want to holler out, "their just kids", "leave them alone". Man, some of these "kids" are 18 year old young adults already buying cigarettes and have kids of their own that their parents are raising. Keep on I got some more for you and anybody else. Like I've said before, I'll stand alone before I keep letting folks like you think you're going to hush-mouth me.

Oh wait, I forgot. Y'all just do what you've been doing and sending PM's to the Admins to perform the censorship deal because you don't like what I'm saying. And, it ain't really that either. You are just mad that I'm shining light on it a pointing out the real. You'd rather for things to stay as they are and guess what, that's the way it's always going to be because we got too many people with personalized, platinum kneepads on in the administration and in the stands that don't care to see the program go further than what it is. So it ain't.

Just a correction for the record. The new OC at Marshall this year is Mike Ludlow, who came from Grapevine under Randy Jackson. The DC presently at Marshall is Brandon Joslin. He coached linebackers at Marshall before becoming the DC. He was also the DC at Elysian Fields when they went to the semifinals before going to Marshall.
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Just a correction for the record. The new OC at Marshall this year is Mike Ludlow, who came from Grapevine under Randy Jackson. The DC presently at Marshall is Brandon Joslin. He coached linebackers at Marshall before becoming the DC. He was also the DC at Elysian Fields when they went to the semifinals before going to Marshall.

Correct. Jerry Bird came to Marshall from Lake Travis in 2013 with coach Harper, but he retired after last season. His son is still one of the WR coaches though.

 

Ludlow is from Tatum I believe (or near there). Wanted to get back to the pines and came here from Grapevine HS.

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I've lowered my expectations. And, like YC123 said, when we get championship talent. So, in some fairness to King, he ain't working with nothing. Now, I am going to say this. It DON'T take Championship Talent every year to win a State Championship. Sometimes, just SOMETIMES it takes a Championship Coach do take what he has and make it work. When you're lacking talent wise, you BETTER be completely and fundamentally DISCIPLINED to beat teams that are more talented than you are. It don't take an athlete to run a 4.3 forty yard dash to win on isolated coverages. Nor, does it take the same to play the right assignments in the secondary and give up big play after big play after big play.

We have players at every major program in Texas and at OSU, LSU, and Arkansas. Absolutely laughable that people say We don't have the talent. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the common denominator is the coaching staff.

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Back to football talk...gonna be interesting to see how this 'high powered' Marshall offense responds to the #1 defense in the area.

 

Only one team has been lucky enough to pass for over 100 yards against us this season. That was Lufkin with 108.

 

Granted, thank goodness the opposing teams' WR's couldn't catch in some of these games. But then again, alot of those throws were rushed because our front 7 have played so darn well this season as well.

 

 

 

Back to football talk...gonna be interesting to see how this 'high powered' Marshall offense responds to the #1 defense in the area.

 

Only one team has been lucky enough to pass for over 100 yards against us this season. That was Lufkin with 108.

 

Granted, thank goodness the opposing teams' WR's couldn't catch in some of these games. But then again, alot of those throws were rushed because our front 7 have played so darn well this season as well.

I guess they responded pretty well. Had 320 yards passing nearly 3 times more than LP.

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Anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming. Lufkin and JT both had wide open TD passes dropped as did Byrd. I stated that if Longview couldn't cover the deep pass we were in trouble. This program is not a lot different than when Cox was here. Typically win district(which we wont this year) go a round or two in the playoff and start thinking about next year. Tobin hit the nail on the head, Longview has the same issues year in and year out. We are a good team, not a great team. Go Lobos

And again Congrats to Marshall played hard laid it on the line and won the game.

Um, no. Coach King passed Cox's win total in like half the time. Also went to state twice, the semis once, and the quarters several times. Cox went to what? The semis once?

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We have players at every major program in Texas and at OSU, LSU, and Arkansas. Absolutely laughable that people say We don't have the talent. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the common denominator is the coaching staff.

And yet there were always more talented teams out there than us other than maybe 2005.

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And yet there were always more talented teams out there than us other than maybe 2005.

You mean the game where we blew a 17 point leads to Guyer? The one where we kicked to Trey Williams? How about the one where we gave up two or 3 defensive touchdowns?

 

Get real man. We haven't been beaten by more talented teams outside of last year and 08 against Lake Travis. We have, however, been grossly out coached.

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You mean the game where we blew a 17 point leads to Guyer? The one where we kicked to Trey Williams? How about the one where we gave up two or 3 defensive touchdowns?

 

Get real man. We haven't been beaten by more talented teams outside of last year and 08 against Lake Travis. We have, however, been grossly out coached.

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With longview being already really strong in the running game and run defense, they should start doing fully padded 7 on 7 drills in practice. Do it all practice if you have to. Until then, run the ball the entire game if you have to. The Mt P and SS games should also be used to work on passing. I can see them lobos making a long run if they can do this.

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You mean the game where we blew a 17 point leads to Guyer? The one where we kicked to Trey Williams? How about the one where we gave up two or 3 defensive touchdowns?

 

Get real man. We haven't been beaten by more talented teams outside of last year and 08 against Lake Travis. We have, however, been grossly out coached.

Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

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With longview being already really strong in the running game and run defense, they should start doing fully padded 7 on 7 drills in practice. Do it all practice if you have to. Until then, run the ball the entire game if you have to. The Mt P and SS games should also be used to work on passing. I can see them lobos making a long run if they can do this.

We do a pass skeleton drill every practice. The problem with our passing game is the execution, not the schemes. Too many poorly thrown balls and drops to wide open receivers. On defense, it sounded like one blown coverage (execution) and one missed tackle in the secondary (execution) that led to big plays for Marshall. I hope we work on execution more than anything.

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You mean the game where we blew a 17 point leads to Guyer? The one where we kicked to Trey Williams? How about the one where we gave up two or 3 defensive touchdowns ?

 

Get real man. We haven't been beaten by more talented teams outside of last year and 08 against Lake Travis. We have, however, been grossly out coached.

I agree 100%

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Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

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Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

So what is your solution? Stick with the same scheme that takes the ball away from the kids who do show up to play? When was Moore's first touch last night? Why do we continue to target players who consistently drop balls? I agree with you to an extent, but the coaches need to step up and get our top performers touches.

 

We can talk all day about who is to blame for what, but I don't think even the staunchest of King's fanboys will argue the time management issues. On that point there is absolutely shame in losing to Walsh when the loss comes as a result of poor coaching and time management.

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So what is your solution? Stick with the same scheme that takes the ball away from the kids who do show up to play? When was Moore's first touch last night? Why do we continue to target players who consistently drop balls? I agree with you to an extent, but the coaches need to step up and get our top performers touches.

 

We can talk all day about who is to blame for what, but I don't think even the staunchest of King's fanboys will argue the time management issues. On that point there is absolutely shame in losing to Walsh when the loss comes as a result of poor coaching and time management.

If your going to tie every loss to coaching then you need to tie every win to coaching as well. And in that case you are far superior. The only thing left is the talent and that point has already been made.
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