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[TheNameIsDalton]

3 minutes ago, SideTracker said:

Perhaps you  taught  wrong when considering the state of public and advanced education in America. Probably a Keynesian.  I'm not talking to millennials. They would not listen anyway since evidently many are indoctrinated by your education system. Welfare, an entitlement? How can can tax dollars used for the benefit of those that do not produce be anything but a socialist plank? I'm certainly glad my kids did not learn from you.

 

Having Entitlement programs doesn’t make this a “socialist country” as you claimed.  

 

If your kid is as immune to the truth as you are, I’m glad I didn’t have to deal with that either.  

 

You are wrong.  This is not a socialist country.  This isn’t a 50% socialist country.

 

You sir, don’t known the definition of “socialism.”   Maybe you learned wrong eh? 

[TheNameIsDalton]

3 minutes ago, SideTracker said:

Please provide your educated definition of socialists and socialism.

 

 

Listen quack.  A socialist society lets the community (government) control all aspects of production and distribution of goods and services.  

 

As much as folks like yourself would probably love that system.  It fails time and again.  It’s a precursor to communism.  

 

This is a capitalist country.  We have the freedom to chose our goods and services and who provides them.  This concept is based on competition, not governmental control.  

 

You stated this is a socialist country due to Social Security, public education, and welfare.  

 

This was an idiotic statement.  Admit it and move on.  

[DAWG91]

39 minutes ago, SideTracker said:

Interesting. I'd be curious how Amnesty 1986 could be depicted in the flick. Likely ignored.

How's that relevant?

[DAWG91]

1 hour ago, SideTracker said:

Amnesty for illegals. It's already taken place so quite relevant it should be mentioned. I was not a supporter of Obama. It floors me some people think amnesty is a new idea when it has already taken place as was the case in 1986.

Yes.  Reagan signed amnesty after being promised by dems that the border would be secured.  Of course, they lied.  He later said that was his biggest regret as president.

[DAWG91]

2 hours ago, btex said:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/02/11/kelli-ward-claims-president-ronald-reagan-regretted-1986-amnesty-law-did-he/1089297001/

David Bier, now an immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, researched the matter in 2013 and concluded the former president's so-called regret was an "internet myth."

And Ed Meese,  Reagan's longtime friend and Attorney general says otherwise.  I choose to believe those who were actually there. 

https://vdare.com/posts/ed-meese-says-reagan-regretted-1986-amnesty

After brief research on this bier guy i see no need to listen to anything he says.  He also claimed Trumps ban on people coming from terror hot spots was illegal.  Well,  mr bier,  the supreme court didn't agree.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html

Edited July 18, 2019 by DAWG91

[DAWG91]

Oh and while some may characterize cato institute as "libertarian" that doesn't appear to really be the case,  on this particular issue.  Per this source they're labeled as "liberal" on immigration.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cato-institute/

[DAWG91]

3 minutes ago, btex said:

You do realize that article quotes Conservative Heritage as saying Ed Meese saying it but has no actual quote from Meese? I am sure you can find the quote from Ed Meese confirming Reagan said this. I look forward to that. 

Now I am sure you actually read the article I put out and you recall this 

"I checked it as much as I could, and I tried to trace the development of it, and it looks like one of these things that is just an internet myth," Bier told The Republic. "It certainly did not originate with anyone who was close to Reagan. If you follow the Google development of this thing, somehow it ended up in Ed Meese's mouth, but he told us back in 2013 that that didn't come from him, that he never heard that from Reagan."

Biar is a liberal on immigration, as is his cato institute.  He's too biased on the matter to be credible.  He's pushing an agenda and a narrative.

Edited July 18, 2019 by DAWG91

[DAWG91]

Ok so you're free to use hearsay however you see fit yet i need a quote directly from meese himself?  Gotcha

Catch ya'll later about to watch me some office.  Funniest show ever.

Edited July 18, 2019 by DAWG91

[DAWG91]

6 minutes ago, btex said:

I am sure the direct quote from Meese saying he never heard Reagan say it will b evidence enough. It is ok now to admit I was correct. 

I'll give ya an example of an internet myth:  Russia!  Collusion!  Hahaha later.  I'll dig in on this stuff later.  Right now i just wanna veg out in front of the tv.

[DAWG91]

Just now, btex said:

You really need to read what is posted. yes you would need a direct quote of him saying it since I have one saying reagan never said it...........................

When contacted, Meese said that he “never heard Reagan say it was his biggest mistake and he’s never claimed to have heard that.”

Apples to apples.  Do you a have a quote of reagan himself saying it's a myth?

[DAWG91]

10 minutes ago, btex said:

You really need to read what is posted. yes you would need a direct quote of him saying it since I have one saying reagan never said it...........................

When contacted, Meese said that he “never heard Reagan say it was his biggest mistake and he’s never claimed to have heard that.”

Ok.  When contacted by who? This biar guy?  I went back and read the whole link.  The azcentral one,  correct?  If so, i saw nowhere where meese said he knew nothing about it.  Perhaps i missed it.  If so,  kindly point it out to me.  The only reagan who commented on the issue and said it was a myth was reagan's adopted leftist loon son, michael.

Edited July 18, 2019 by DAWG91

[DAWG91]

1 hour ago, SideTracker said:

Always blame someone else. It's the American political process. Reagan was not a one man army or anything. Perhaps deportation should have been more significant. Just saying. It has got to be sad ordinary , tax paying citizens in this country are still held hostage by the Democrat vs Republican war.

The democrats did, in fact, lie.  They promised to secure the border and didn't.  They controlled congress and didn't approve the money to do the job.  Since then,  the repubs have run every election cycle promising to secure the border.  And they have lied too.   This isn't a R vs D issue.  It's an R + D issue.  This is partly why Trump is now president and also the reason it's one of the hardest issues to fix.

Somehow we've hijacked this thread, or rather someone did.  There's an immigration thread already.  This is healthcare thread.

Edited July 18, 2019 by DAWG91

[DAWG91]

12 hours ago, btex said:

but Reagan never said what you claimed, about time for you to admit that. It is a myth 

Based on hearsay from an open borders advocate at the open borders cato institute?  Funny guy! I don't think so. Take this to the correct thread.

[DAWG91]

12 hours ago, SideTracker said:

You are right, the plane is hijacked with insinuations of socialism as well among the ranks.  Regardless, I'll wait input about the "socialist" aspects of the US, some definitions, whatever, and from modern day college educated folks.

I'm going to need a decipher code for this....

[TheNameIsDalton]

Btex sounds like a woman who argues for the sake of arguing.  

 

For someone who is wrong more times than right, you sure do fight the good fight.  

 

I guess you almost have to admire his tenacity.  Lol

[CarthDawg77]

4 minutes ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

Btex sounds like a woman who argues for the sake of arguing.  

 

For someone who is wrong more times than right, you sure do fight the good fight.  

 

I guess you almost have to admire his tenacity.  Lol

 

[DAWG91]

50 minutes ago, btex said:

It is a quote from Meese himself, you don’t even have a quote from him. Nothing you provided had any quotes from him. Either provide a quote from Meese or your article is junk, like most of heritage foundation stuff

"It's a quote from meese himself."  According to the open borders partisan guy at the open borders cato institute, reagan's adopted leftist loon son michael, and "google development."  It's become quite clear over the recent years that google's not to be trusted on anything political ( exposed as hugely biased towards liberalism.). M Reagan is a fruitcake,  and the cato guy isn't an unbiased source.  So hooray for you,  you've got quotes!  Nevermind they're not from anyone credible.  Last i'm discussing this here.  If you want to keep peddling your propaganda,  move it to the immigration thread. That's all for now,  i've got things to do.

[Coach Rab]

I am just curious on how these presidential candidates will react when asked why they are supporting wholesale changes to healthcare to a Medicare for all plan, only a few short years after they fully supported Obamacare.  

I want to hear them say Obamacare is a failure and they screwed up.  But I am not sure any politician is dumb enough to say that. 

[DAWG91]

Ya'll don't need to worry.  Just the other day Joe Biden said "if you like you're Dr you can keep you're Dr.". Seems i may have heard that before but I think he's telling the truth. 

[DAWG91]

4 minutes ago, btex said:

One of the dumbest lines in political history. 

I dunno.  Read my lips pretty dumb too.  It's close.

[DAWG91]

2 minutes ago, btex said:

of that one has to be in the list as well. 

Mission Accomplished

[Coach Rab]

5 hours ago, btex said:

It will be a spin as anything in politics

If they want me to buy into what they are selling, then they have to admit their mistakes...

i don’t hate insurance being available to all US citizens... but you want something that will cost billions and you put it in the hands of congress to do it correctly...  screw that...  I’d rather take my chances unarmed in a gun fight...

[DannyZuco]

Yesterday morning I was watching the news and noticed that over 90% of Americans already have health insurance, yet our democratic candidates keep pressing for "medicare for all". 

I have several questions for the liberal minded individuals on here. 

1. If over 90% already have insurance--why does the government need to take over the insurance business? 

2. Why would any one want the government to run a program, can someone please show a program that the government runs that actually works efficiently? 

And from the report, which I haven't found again, but when I do I will post the link, 1/2 of the people that don't have health insurance at this time choose NOT to have health insurance, meaning that less than 5% of the adults in this country don't have health insurance because they can not afford it. Are these 5% really worth allowing the government to take over a business, something we know they will ruin and only use it for power grabbing? 

Why aren't we more concerned controlling the costs, instead of allowing the government to take over the industry. 

 

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p60-264.html

 

Just hoping for some real discussion, not a bunch of name calling. 

[Wild74]

I have a sister in law that has never had insurance, she just mooches off the local Medicaid. Right now she is living off the tax payers of Arkansas. I said that to say this some people could care less about health insurance if it cost them a penny. That might be part of that 5%

[BarryLaverty]

Health insurance coverage is too expensive in our country and has grown increasingly so since I started in education 30 years ago, and it is a drain for those not to have it on our economy and our society. People die every year needlessly, because they don't have coverage. Prescription drugs are obscenely expensive, and I would focus on insulin as it is spiraling upward.

I think we should start from there and work  toward solutions.