HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Here’s how I’d do a final 2017 overall 4A ranking: 1. Carthage 2. Pleasant Grove 3. La Vega 4. WOS 5. Henderson 6. Kennedale 7. Midlothian Heritage 8. Wimberly 9. Stephenville 10. Graham What do y’all think? The highly regarded WOS defense did not manhandle PG as most thought they may. Those defenders are fast, but that unit doesn’t have any size at all. The PG/WOS game was a close contest until late in the fourth quarter. Those interceptions made the score look a lot different than the game was actually played. PG proved they are an awesome team, but they wouldn’t be able to beat Carthage. Carthage was the defending 4A Div 1 state champion and went wire-to-wire as the #1 ranked team in the state. Carthage wasn’t challenged in the playoffs other than La Vega, and the only reason that game was close was due to Carthage miscues not caused by the LV defense. I ranked Henderson over Kennedale, because Henderson presented more of a challenge to the Bulldogs than Kennedale did. Kennedale had a great run to the title game in defeating Midlothian Heritage (barely) and Stephenville. However, I feel Henderson would’ve beaten Kennedale too. Thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I would put Kennedale above Henderson. It's all bout matchups and I don't think Henderson's defense could have shut down the Wildcat's offense. You have to remember, Carthage made a great team look mediocre. Other than that, nice poll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H3llR4z0r Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 It was my own opinion that the PG game didn't really feel close until late in the 4th, and I attribute that to the conservative offensive play calling on PG's part. I was really surprised that he chose to kick a field goal instead of going for it. But other than that, it felt pretty well in control. I believe a lot of people were referring to it as "A bad dream that just won't stop." lol I can agree with the rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I am a Carthage fan, but Pleasant Grove "could" beat Carthage, just like La Vega could beat Carthage..........IMO, Carthage would have been about a 10 point favorite over both, if they would have played either this coming Friday.......................I think P G and La Vega would be an even game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Lion70 said: I put PG under Vega. PG is a good team but only think you can really compare are like opponents. PG blasted Liberty Eylau and LE gave Carthage a game. Carthage blew out Gilmer but PG barely beat Gilmer. Waco Lavega played just as tough LE gave Carthage a game very early in the season. If they’d played a little bit later in the season I don’t think LE would’ve hung as close as they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 46 minutes ago, Lion70 said: Henderson overachieved but we're playing very well later in the year so #5 is fair. Lions shot themselves in the foot giving carthage a short field and they took advantage . They shot themselves in the foot when they got off the bus..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H3llR4z0r Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: LE gave Carthage a game very early in the season. If they’d played a little bit later in the season I don’t think LE would’ve hung as close as they did. Hard to say. L-E got better as the season progressed as well. It's all about match-ups. IMO, a team with a great passing game would have matched up against Carthage better than anything, which is why L-E had a decent run, and Gilmer made an early run. If you had to pick the weakest link on the Carthage defense, I would pick the secondary over any of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 Understood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Stephenville and Graham were 2 of the slowest teams I have ever seen in the semi-final. Neither was top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 hours ago, cotton84 said: I am a Carthage fan, but Pleasant Grove "could" beat Carthage, just like La Vega could beat Carthage..........IMO, Carthage would have been about a 10 point favorite over both, if they would have played either this coming Friday.......................I think P G and La Vega would be an even game Did you see the Lavega/Carthage game. Carthage tried their best to give it away and still won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I think it is a pretty good list. You could make the case to flip Henderson and Kennedale but if those two went head to head I would like Hendersons chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 51 minutes ago, ctown81 said: Did you see the Lavega/Carthage game. Carthage tried their best to give it away and still won. I saw every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnjoyLife Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Carthage was up on LV 21-0 mid way through the first qtr. 7 of those points came on a Carthage drive didn't the other 14 come off of a pick 6 and then another LV turnover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkguy888 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 hours ago, BulldogBacker12 said: Stephenville and Graham were 2 of the slowest teams I have ever seen in the semi-final. Neither was top 10. graham was horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, EnjoyLife said: Carthage was up on LV 21-0 mid way through the first qtr. 7 of those points came on a Carthage drive didn't the other 14 come off of a pick 6 and then another LV turnover? Scored on the 1st drive. LV 1st drive pick 6. LV fumbled the ensuing kickoff and Carthage scored from the 8 yard line on the next play I believe. LV got a personal foul on the XP, and Carthage kicked and recovered an onside kick on the kickoff. But the Dawgs fumbled the ball and gave it back to LV. LV scores on that possession to make it 21-7. Very easily could have gone to 28-0. But LV showed a lot of heart. That was big boy football. IMO those were the top 2 teams I saw this year. The play was sloppy but that was the only team I saw match Carthage physicality this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1. Carthage 2. LV 3. PG 4. WOS 5. LH 6. Henderson 7. Wimberly 8. Kennedale 9. Midlothian Heritage 10. Cuero Other teams in the mix: Argyle, Ville, Graham, Kilgore, Kaufman, China Spring, Melissa, Gilmer, Celina. Would have liked to have seen Argyle with their QB healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Lion70 said: Carthage too high Hahahaha, this was a good post, funny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, BulldogBacker12 said: 1. Carthage 2. LV 3. PG 4. WOS 5. LH 6. Henderson 7. Wimberly 8. Kennedale 9. Midlothian Heritage 10. Cuero Other teams in the mix: Argyle, Ville, Graham, Kilgore, Kaufman, China Spring, Melissa, Gilmer, Celina. Would have liked to have seen Argyle with their QB healthy. I like those rankings too. I left LH out though they did give LV a good game in the quarterfinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, BulldogBacker12 said: 1. Carthage 2. LV 3. PG 4. WOS 5. LH 6. Henderson 7. Wimberly 8. Kennedale 9. Midlothian Heritage 10. Cuero Other teams in the mix: Argyle, Ville, Graham, Kilgore, Kaufman, China Spring, Melissa, Gilmer, Celina. Would have liked to have seen Argyle with their QB healthy. BB12, I’m telling you right now, Argyle even with Copeland at QB was not impressive this year. I know they were undefeated, but they weren’t that good. Very very few athletes with no speed to speak of. LV would’ve beaten Argyle by 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 I’m starting to think I should’ve replaced Stephenville and Graham with Liberty Hill and China Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyandchrist Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 7 hours ago, cotton84 said: I am a Carthage fan, but Pleasant Grove "could" beat Carthage, just like La Vega could beat Carthage..........IMO, Carthage would have been about a 10 point favorite over both, if they would have played either this coming Friday.......................I think P G and La Vega would be an even game The Dawgs would have run PG out of the stadium, just like they did Kennedale. PG was great against the run, but the Dawg Receivers would of run off and left the PG secondary. The only team we faced that hung with the Dawg receivers was LV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, cowboyandchrist said: The Dawgs would have run PG out of the stadium, just like they did Kennedale. PG was great against the run, but the Dawg Receivers would of run off and left the PG secondary. The only team we faced that hung with the Dawg receivers was LV. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, cotton84 said: lol 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkguy888 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 33 minutes ago, cowboyandchrist said: The Dawgs would have run PG out of the stadium, just like they did Kennedale. PG was great against the run, but the Dawg Receivers would of run off and left the PG secondary. The only team we faced that hung with the Dawg receivers was LV. Nobody knows what would happen. Pointless speculating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, Hawkguy888 said: Nobody knows what would happen. Pointless speculating Unless you have a better plan for discussion on smoaky for the next few weeks, let us have this argument to entertain the non bball fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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