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It's still early I know but how's the Trump Economy working for you?  MAGA!!!

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All liberal states, and the cost will be higher prices and less employees to take care of customers and guests.  It's a lose/lose situation.  

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3 hours ago, harrier said:

 

The republicOn HOPE though is with the newest tax bill companies will liberally increase workers wages. lol...would that mean higher prices and less employees to take care of customers and guests?

Liberally increase wages?? Um no. Create competition for employees to provide service for growing demand thanks to people with more money in there pocket, yes.

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3 hours ago, harrier said:

Like I said HOPE. And hoping much that companies volunteer across the board increases because they are now only paying 21% or will be beginning with 2018 taxes, instead of 35%. We have established the fact 35% is a myth anyway. It is ironic when talking tax cuts that the previous administration carried forward many of the tax cuts by its predecessor yet by all accounts wages are stagnant for many years. Personally I experienced across the board  20% reduction in salary over a two year period and not an increase. Hum, something must have gone wrong with the trickle down theory of tax cuts all I can guess.  

Yea I know you are saying hope, but I'm saying they aren't hoping for a volunteer increase. They are "hoping" for employee competition among employers. Which makes wages go up. 

 

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Tax cuts have worked every time they have been tried.  The Reagan tax cuts stimulated huge economic growth and increased revenue, the problem lies with the never increasing government spending, not tax cuts ... tru storie ....

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Sorry guys.....this is THE OLD purpleragedad......."new and improved" website would NOT let me on to the new website with my old handle....we NEVER found out why......oh well....will just go with this one.......NOW....to the "PROBLEM AT HAND"......these LIBTARDS STILL don't get it with this min wage "thang".......I have and others have told them and told them....that the food prices at the (market)....as we use to say in Clarksville..THE PIG...is linked to the min. wage......so the min wage rises 25%....THEN the prices of food at the store will rise 25%...have talked about this before.....and I guess none of the libtards are listening........

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You can't blame the American Worker for wanting to make more money. The problem is most of the service industry never learned a skill - Welding - Pipefitting - Steel Worker - Construction - Remember - We have had little to no growth on the industrial side for 8 years - Major growth came from Government Jobs - This means if they did not get an education during that time - they do not have the skills to get a better job. We have basically left a generation behind.

2018 hopefully with the support of some democrats will bring infrastructure improvements. Why not require those companies bidding on projects to do an apprenticeship program. Government continues to provide subsidies to the people in program - Companies provide training in skilled areas - When applicant finishes program and gets certified - Company hires them and Government removes them from welfare program

 Win - Win if they can pass drug test

 

 

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3 minutes ago, osup116 said:

You can't blame the American Worker for wanting to make more money. The problem is most of the service industry never learned a skill - Welding - Pipefitting - Steel Worker - Construction - Remember - We have had little to no growth on the industrial side for 8 years - Major growth came from Government Jobs - This means if they did not get an education during that time - they do not have the skills to get a better job. We have basically left a generation behind.

2018 hopefully with the support of some democrats will bring infrastructure improvements. Why not require those companies bidding on projects to do an apprenticeship program. Government continues to provide subsidies to the people in program - Companies provide training in skilled areas - When applicant finishes program and gets certified - Company hires them and Government removes them from welfare program

 Win - Win if they can pass drug test

 

 

The problem with your solution is that is very inefficient and does more to grow government that any sustained good it does to the private sector.  The best solution is for the federal government to stop trying to stimulate the economy and job creation.  It's not their constitutional responsibility or within their authority, yet that's all you hear from politicians ... all politicians!!!  Let the free market work and it will take care of itself.  Companies that need trained people will train them, as the market dictates ... very efficient compared to any government program ....

 

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^ I agree with that but the workforce is very limited on skilled positions and I am not asking for government to run it. Companies would run program. They just could not bid on infrastructure jobs if they did not.

 

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18 minutes ago, osup116 said:

^ I agree with that but the workforce is very limited on skilled positions and I am not asking for government to run it. Companies would run program. They just could not bid on infrastructure jobs if they did not.

 

Needed infrastructure jobs should be contracted to the private sector, the private sector will provide any needed training ... there is no reason for the federal government to be involved.  All they do is over regulate and over pay ... and the government always ends up with an inferior product and that includes training ... anything the government touches is inherently inefficient and inferior ...

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12 hours ago, KirtFalcon said:

The problem with your solution is that is very inefficient and does more to grow government that any sustained good it does to the private sector.  The best solution is for the federal government to stop trying to stimulate the economy and job creation.  It's not their constitutional responsibility or within their authority, yet that's all you hear from politicians ... all politicians!!!  Let the free market work and it will take care of itself.  Companies that need trained people will train them, as the market dictates ... very efficient compared to any government program ....

 

+1 spot on.

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34 minutes ago, harrier said:

In essence the latest tax bill is just that. Eh? And how about the $50 million to the world bank, Ivanka's deal to assist globally women entrepreneurs? Government stimulus? Of course. And not confined to the US only. I know, I know...no one is perfect. smh

This stuff is the nature of poli * tics in the world we live in today.  It's impossible to get a clean bill of any kind passed through congress anymore.  Expecting something different is never going to happen, no matter who is in the White House.  All things considered, I'll take it when I consider what kind of bills would be passed with someone other than Trump signing them ... you can bet your sweet #### there wouldn't be any tax cuts passed with the Hilldabeast in the WH ... again, the real problem is government spending, not tax cuts ....

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On 1/1/2018 at 11:41 AM, osup116 said:

^ I agree with that but the workforce is very limited on skilled positions and I am not asking for government to run it. Companies would run program. They just could not bid on infrastructure jobs if they did not.

 

I quit Domino's Pizza for a little bit, because I was tired of dealing with certain things.  I decided to hire on as a Welder's Helper at Vortex Communications Corporation in Kilgore.  They do train you to become a welder to then become certified.  I hated the early morning hours, I guess because I had been used to 10:30 am -8:30 pm or 4:30 pm - 2:30 am that I chose to go back.   To say that the Government has to be involved is wrong, because many employers will train the employees they need.  I know many businesses won't hire someone without a college degree, but many of the jobs out there don't require skills that one learns in college.  What amazes me is that in many professions the Government requires a college education, but doesn't for practicing law in many states.  I wouldn't have a problem with even hospitals training future surgeons, and basically they already do with internships, but I think people learn better with a hands on approach and gaining the skills needed vs. sitting in a classroom.  

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On 1/2/2018 at 7:09 PM, harrier said:

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I think a big problem with workers these days is the very fact a lot of jobs require sitting. It's amazing how many people want to sit at a desk all day, except for the two martini lunch then they sit at a table or bar. Look at all the call centers where many aspiring college graduates start out , sitting on the tush. I think this drives down wages all the sitting jobs. There's a case of competition resulting in lower wages. lol

Over supply for jobs is not the same as competition for employees as I previously stated. A surplus of employees for a certain job does result in lower wages. That's called a free market. The greatest economic system in human history.  Don't start knocking that or I'll start thinking you're a socialist. haha

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20 hours ago, harrier said:

Socialist, ha, ha. Individuals as yourself obviously give a pass to one of the biggest socialist programs in the US...try "too big to fail", what , 2007-2008?  Comments? Socialism  is your "system" (comma)  don't kid yourself. Nothing like bailing out the 1% and I'm not a 1% "protestor". You have to be kidding me! In theory a wonderful "system", the greatest economic system. Eh?  In reality a hypocritical one. Eh?

IMO,  while it is difficult to come up with a percentage , I'll go with the structure of US government and US economics being about 50% socialist and that is probably a minimal percentage. Obviously the University of Houston still teaches Keynesian economics. 

FYI, for 46 years I've pulled the boot straps up in regards to having a JOB. Twice in those 46 years I was laid off from my JOB and applied for unemployment benefits...a total for both times of six weeks. Don't mess with the older populous and don't talk about jerking SS from them either. Try talking to President Trump in eliminating the fraud that goes on with disability claims and payouts for both the private sector and veterans of the armed services. It's disgusting to me, people in wheel chairs are likely to be "disabled". Those that can drive vehicles and climb a ladder into a deer stand, I have my doubts. You are a youngster apparently, straighten it out, make it more "fair". LOL, u old goat!

 

 

How in the world did you get socialist out of that??? And you call me that, then in the same paragraph bash capitalism as hypocritical, as you argue for the most socialist program the country in social security. Your statements are a load of weak sauce man. 

As for the rest of your scattered thoughts You lost me again side track. 

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53 minutes ago, harrier said:

Yes weak sauce on your part my friend as you are the one accusing me of being socialist. As far as your touted capitalism, this country has never known capitalism. How could it when it creates massive bailouts like were seen in 2007-2008 and many other times in history. Maybe you need to brush up on your history concerning money. I was not bashing capitalism necessarily only pointing out what you tout so highly is indeed only an avenue for great amounts of corporate socialism. I guess that does not count though. smh

Sorry you hate older people that have paid into SS , me for 46 years. I did not ask for the system, Evidently the true capitalism we have in this country gave it to US.

If you graduated from a major university it likely was as Keynesian clone for that is what major universities teach in economics and Keynesian ideas are nothing but those directly related to socialism especially corporate socialism. Anytime a government has to prop up a failed corporation with the idea it is "too big to fail" is nothing but socialism. Eh? Get it now?

Unfortunately you appear to be terribly misled yet that is how the dupe is accomplished...the indoctrinated US college/university and I might add public education systems.

Friends? :crossfingers:

Never truly had capitalism? Because a socialist paid off companies in 08? Get realistic. Complete stupid statement. Now we haven't had pure capitalism in a while I will say, but never?? Your wrong. 

 

I hope you get SS taken away. It's a terrible program that won't work for long and robs people of their  labor. Sorry I believe in liberty not tyranny. Your point is that you want people to keep paying into a terrible system Cause you have? Yes let's keep robbing people because you got robbed. 

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12 hours ago, SideTracker said:

Thanks. ;( Obviously anyone with a brain knows the place to start eliminating the program is with you. Younger people are just going to have to bite the bullet and suffer total loss anything they have contributed. You yourself my friend are a supporter of tyranny. We all are and why I've quit supporting those representing two inept political parties. A triad, who gives a blank?

Not wrong hombre. Shall we delve into a triad and discuss Keynesian economics and it's real impact on economies. I guess its a triad from the topic. let me know when you are ready and I expect you to have some rebuttal for comparison. :ok:

One last triad, it's apparent YoungUn is the type that would kick a dog. On  medicare triad, those om the system will certainly hope President Trump does not listen to people like Paul Ryan. Ryan will be gone next time around and on yet another triad it will get ugly should democrats gain in either house. Of course both parties are worthless. My closest is a medicare triad and honestly I'm surprised out of pocket expenses closely compare to my employer's health insurance being likely a very competitive one when comparing the best plans offered employees by corporations. It's all a #### shoot , what people can afford etc. and I don't have a problem what is paid medicare for the coverage. I know there are people that complain about medicare yet for me it seems the clinic from which most medical needs are administered is pretty top notch when comparing the employer sponsored plan to medicare. I feel fortunate for certain and no complaints to date. People like YoungUn should continue to contribute to old folks stuff like medicare until the generations on it have all died. It's a matter of a gradual phaseout and YoungUn must have a better plan. Good luck!

I don't have a better plan and I can at least realize I don't have all the answers. I know gov ran or sponsored anything is not the best way to go. SS Medicaid Medicare welfare etc. I feel like we need to find a way to phase out all of these and if that means my generation takes the hit than so be it. We will be better off in the long run. Or opposition or support for gov programs doesn't need to be does it help me or not, it needs to be is it the right cost reward balance. And I would say that most gov programs do not provide enough reward for the cost. That's just me though. 

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He fails to mention Democrat Presidents.  The last time we did not have a debt increase was 1956-1957 under Eisenhower.  The Democrat years are far worse.  People cry and moan that we didn't have a deficit with Bill Clinton.  The debt still increased $1.609 trillion while he was in office, and not one year did our debt go down.  https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306 .  

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As Paul Harvey would say ... "and now for the rest of the story" ....

All spending is not equal.  There is bad spending, worse spending and worthwhile justifiable spending .... Dimocrat presidents are far worse at the worst of the worst spending, that's just a fact.  All they do is drastically expand social spending and neglect national security.   Every republican president in my lifetime that followed a dimocrat president since Kennedy has had to necessarily spend a ton of money to rebuild a neglected and depleted military and national defense infrastructure.  It happened after Carter, Clinton and now Obama ... 

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38 minutes ago, DaveTV1 said:

He fails to mention Democrat Presidents.  The last time we did not have a debt increase was 1956-1957 under Eisenhower.  The Democrat years are far worse.  People cry and moan that we didn't have a deficit with Bill Clinton.  The debt still increased $1.609 trillion while he was in office, and not one year did our debt go down.  https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306 .  

The best thing that happened to Slick Willie was losing control of congress to the republicans who kept his spending in check.  His supposed "surplus" was nothing but smoke and mirrors that disappeared with the .com bubble.  He is also largely responsible for the housing collapse due to Fannie and Freddie and sub prime lending to bad risk creditors ....

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2 hours ago, SideTracker said:

Maybe kirt is hearing this...it's because the article is about fiscally irresponsible republicans. Talk about SideTrackers. :woot:

No side track here ... just pointing out correctly the difference in the spending over the years ... pay attention and I will learn you something ... :woot:

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5 hours ago, SideTracker said:

Maybe kirt is hearing this...it's because the article is about fiscally irresponsible republicans. Talk about SideTrackers. :woot:

No, I read the article, but it didn't mention many Democrats that increased spending under their regime's.  Look at the timeline of spending.  The author of this article failed to mention it.  

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Again, all spending is not equal.  Social spending vs rebuilding our national defense ....

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Essentially, the politicians of both parties increase the deficit.  Currently, Obama is King.  The only time either party in DC worries about the deficit is when the other party is in power.  Many conservatives were (rightfully so) concerned about Obama's deficit spending since it did increase so much.  And just a hint to any liberals/Dems, if you want to say something negative about Trump, avoid the deficit thing, because you may be concerned about it, but the politicians you vote in, and the DNC are not - nor are way to many Repubs.  If Trump increases it as much as Obama, I'll be screaming for his head.

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1 hour ago, SideTracker said:

Wrong! The article was not asking you or anyone else to compare the two parties. It's subject was concerning republicOns. Pay attention!

I am paying attention and since the article was nothing but a "dodge" and hit piece on republicans it was my patriotic duty to set you straight on the REAL fiscal irresponsible issues ... it's not a side track, just a much needed rerouting ... you are so easily suckered by the left ... Take%20the%20Bait.gif

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