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I never said we should bomb Iran,

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So once again, what do you plan to do? How do I know it will work...

 

Come on parent, admit it, you want to bomb them. Better yet "wipe them of the face of the earth." Tell you what bright one, those 45 military installations in that area of the world. Please think about something but your own power mongering and get U.S. troops out of them before clicking the trigger.

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“Of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship… Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Nazi leader, Hermann Goering (at the Nuremberg Trials, shortly before being sentenced to death)

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John Bolton says "rouge" nations should be prevented from having nuclear weapons. Ron Paul, incidentally says he would rather no one have nuclear weapons...just his honesty on the subject, not saying he has the ability to remove all nuclear weapons from the world. The Judge asks Bolton why there is not outcry about Russia and China having nuclear weapons. Bolton comments that if Iran has nuclear weapons then Saudi Arabia will want the same. However I believe what Bolton is overlooking is Saudi Arabia has already expressed a desire for a nuclear armament. Am I to believe Saudi Arabia is more innocent in all things innocent? After all much has been said about factions within Saudi Arabia having funded terrorism. John Bolton does not post on SDC that I know of, :lol: , but here is my question for those that do. Seeing as how Suadi Arabia is an "ally" to the U.S. and seeing as how Saudi Arabia is also yet another natural enemy of Israel, an enemy that the U.S. none the less provides conventional weapons despite its alliance with Israel, what is the solution to an attempt by Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear and why another ally , Pakistan, is allowed to have them. Is there no love lost between Israel and Pakistan?

 

BTW, what is a "rouge" nation. Is it one that does not allow dictation by the United Nations?

 

The Judge and John Bolton.

 

My opinion is there are many past and present players in the scam we call politics that work very hard to cover up mistakes both past and present in order to preserve the corporatocracy.

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Alright, Iran is building a nuke today, no they built one yesterday, no they will build one in twenty years, wait, they said they wanted to blow someone off the face of the earth so definitely they have one now, but they don't have it now, planning to have it tomorrow...

 

Can we stabilize the price of gasoline. If this stuff goes up like some "speculate" we are even more scrooed. Someone said prices are because Iran is building a nuke. Others say because the devaluation of the dollar. Still others say you are all wrong, there is plenty of oil and gasoline.

 

OMG, we must prevent something...what if it does not exist. I know , tell the lunatics they better not do it. No, they won't listen. The beast is getting hungry therefore invent a catastrophe and go bomb the suckers. Besides, it increases profits for the oil speculators.

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A "rouge" nation would be a nation that is red. Now a ROGUE nation would be a nation that doesn't concern itself with other nations being stable or happy. They're like those people who think another's opinions are intrinsically wrong just because they are different. That's not a Webster definition. Just my own.

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Alright, Iran is building a nuke today, no they built one yesterday, no they will build one in twenty years, wait, they said they wanted to blow someone off the face of the earth so definitely they have one now, but they don't have it now, planning to have it tomorrow...

 

Can we stabilize the price of gasoline. If this stuff goes up like some "speculate" we are even more scrooed. Someone said prices are because Iran is building a nuke. Others say because the devaluation of the dollar. Still others say you are all wrong, there is plenty of oil and gasoline.

 

OMG, we must prevent something...what if it does not exist. I know , tell the lunatics they better not do it. No, they won't listen. The beast is getting hungry therefore invent a catastrophe and go bomb the suckers. Besides, it increases profits for the oil speculators.

Please let me know when you're done ranting and raving... that's 7 posts based off my one post.

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We have an army....if it was up to you and Loony toons, we wouldn't have one. Now step up to the plate and give me facts that Iran will not follow thru with the threats they have made against Israel. If you tell me you are going to shoot me with a gun and I can stop you from getting one....my chances are better of you not shooting me...sorry you cant comprehend that.

 

 

Israel is quite capable of taking care of themselves and would have solved this problem decades ago if we had not been getting into their business and dictating to them what they could and could not do through all the "foreign aid" money we have been sending them.....

 

Our military is intended to protect US, not the rest of the world...we can no longer afford to continue to allow ourselves to be drug into the neverending cycle of wars and nation building which only helps the international banking community and the war profiteers in the military industrial complex while bringing the rest of us to our knees economically.....

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Israel is quite capable of taking care of themselves and would have solved this problem decades ago if we had not been getting into their business and dictating to them what they could and could not do through all the "foreign aid" money we have been sending them.....

 

Our military is intended to protect US, not the rest of the world...we can no longer afford to continue to allow ourselves to be drug into the neverending cycle of wars and nation building which only helps the international banking community and the war profiteers in the military industrial complex while bringing the rest of us to our knees economically.....

 

 

wow, we agree again. Whats going on. lol.

 

Whats funny, is that when I or Hares and Camuch say this exact same thing, we are labeled socialist and everything else. But you apparently have earn the respect of those on the board not to be challenge on such thoughts. lol. Thats a good thing. Maybe they are listening to you.

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wow, we agree again. Whats going on. lol.

 

Whats funny, is that when I or Hares and Camuch say this exact same thing, we are labeled socialist and everything else. But you apparently have earn the respect of those on the board not to be challenge on such thoughts. lol. Thats a good thing. Maybe they are listening to you.

 

Colmes has been here for quite awhile. Though I lean on social issues a bit liberal with the exception for guns, death penalty and military-defense, we're seeing the same things character wise of the stooges.

 

Colmes my question is say if Obama won for 2012, who would most likely run in 2016?

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Colmes my question is say if Obama won for 2012, who would most likely run in 2016?

 

Several candidates from "both" parties handpicked by the MSM and the international banking community...all Keynesians to the core and all looking to spend like a drunk sailor....

 

Then Rand Paul will take up the mantle of his father and run as the only real choice...as such he will be attacked by the media, demonized by those of the democratic party, mocked by those of the republican party....

 

Basically more of the same as long as the majority allow themselves to be puppets.....

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Colmes has been here for quite awhile. Though I lean on social issues a bit liberal with the exception for guns, death penalty and military-defense, we're seeing the same things character wise of the stooges.

 

Colmes my question is say if Obama won for 2012, who would most likely run in 2016?

 

 

I am very aware of Colmes. We have had MANY long debates on here. We were always at each other. Thats why I said its a surprise that we are agreeing at all.

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Israel is quite capable of taking care of themselves and would have solved this problem decades ago if we had not been getting into their business and dictating to them what they could and could not do through all the "foreign aid" money we have been sending them.....

 

Our military is intended to protect US, not the rest of the world...we can no longer afford to continue to allow ourselves to be drug into the neverending cycle of wars and nation building which only helps the international banking community and the war profiteers in the military industrial complex while bringing the rest of us to our knees economically.....

Hares, how'd you get Colmes' sign-in name? LOL! Sorry, couldn't help it!

 

Since you're a history buff, let me ask you this....when France was going through its upheavel during their revolution, which was after ours (hope that's right), did the U.S. help? Wasn't Jefferson over there during that time? Did we aid the revolutionaries at all?

 

Also, wasn't it France that helped us, that helped turn the tide?

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Israel is quite capable of taking care of themselves and would have solved this problem decades ago if we had not been getting into their business and dictating to them what they could and could not do through all the "foreign aid" money we have been sending them.....

 

Our military is intended to protect US, not the rest of the world...we can no longer afford to continue to allow ourselves to be drug into the neverending cycle of wars and nation building which only helps the international banking community and the war profiteers in the military industrial complex while bringing the rest of us to our knees economically.....

 

So forget about all of our allies...is that Pauls stance? No wonder he has no shot!

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So forget about all of our allies...is that Pauls stance? No wonder he has no shot!

 

Straw, what allies are in serious serious danger other than maybe South Korea?

 

I'd be more inclined to deal with North Korea since for the last 11 years (heck then again we are talking about our foreign policy) been on this crusade on ousting harsh "dictator" rule than Iran.

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So forget about all of our allies...is that Pauls stance? No wonder he has no shot!

 

 

Our "allies" need to start footing the bill for their own defense...we can no longer afford it....who do germany and france need to be defended from?? And Israel could erase the problems in the middle east if we were not holding them back...they don't need our help....we only want to control and dictate to everyone....we have lost our way as a REPUBLIC and become an EMPIRE...and as I've said, we can no longer afford to be that.....

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Hares, how'd you get Colmes' sign-in name? LOL! Sorry, couldn't help it!

 

Since you're a history buff, let me ask you this....when France was going through its upheavel during their revolution, which was after ours (hope that's right), did the U.S. help? Wasn't Jefferson over there during that time? Did we aid the revolutionaries at all?

 

Also, wasn't it France that helped us, that helped turn the tide?

 

Apples and oranges.....the U.S. government is the cause of the hatred from the Iranians....by helping overthrow their government in the 1950's and placing the Shah in power, we gained their hatred for generations...our interventionist strategy since WWII has brought this anger upon us....we should mind our own business and seek to become trading partners and allies, NOT overseers and dictators.....big business, international bankers, and war profiteers are the only ones who will benefit anything at all from this....

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Apples and oranges.....the U.S. government is the cause of the hatred from the Iranians....by helping overthrow their government in the 1950's and placing the Shah in power, we gained their hatred for generations...our interventionist strategy since WWII has brought this anger upon us....we should mind our own business and seek to become trading partners and allies, NOT overseers and dictators.....big business, international bankers, and war profiteers are the only ones who will benefit anything at all from this....

Nope, it's not apples and oranges... so was I right? LOL!

 

And why in the world would we want to become trading partners and allies with them?????

 

Question - if we step out of it, and granted we should on a lot of things, who do you think will take the "mantle"? If it's who I think it is, what problems would come up then?

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Nope, it's not apples and oranges... so was I right? LOL!

 

And why in the world would we want to become trading partners and allies with them?????

 

Question - if we step out of it, and granted we should on a lot of things, who do you think will take the "mantle"? If it's who I think it is, what problems would come up then?

 

Our economy would benefit from more trading partners and less wars.....

 

who cares??? It is not any of our business...we are not the world's policeman....the Constitution does not even allow us to be there in the first place without a formal declaration of war.....The main problem they have with us is that we occupy THEIR land and tend to kill THEIR people....if that would cease, we would not have very many problems with them at all.....

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Our economy would benefit from more trading partners and less wars.....

 

who cares??? It is not any of our business...we are not the world's policeman....the Constitution does not even allow us to be there in the first place without a formal declaration of war.....The main problem they have with us is that we occupy THEIR land and tend to kill THEIR people....if that would cease, we would not have very many problems with them at all.....

I'm not going to buy the we wouldn't have any problems with 'em scenario, so let's take the first part.

 

Trading partners...we've already seen what happens when we open trade with China, India and Japan. Then we scream about that. As to the who cares.... I care if Israel is hit, they're a solid and actually civilized ally. Let's face it, the world is not as big as it was hundreds of years ago. It's pretty small now.

 

I will agree with you that somebody needs to talk with them, but how can you have an ally like that, much less trade... trade what, oil...the more they're traded with, the more they have the money to go and do whatever they want to do... kinda like giving a dope addict money.

 

And I agree that we should have a declaration of war, no messing about, we're coming and we ain't playing...

 

I agree, I don't think we should do anything about Syria. I like the idea of drones. My whole problem with "war", whether it's declared or not, is the politics behind it. If you're going to send our men and women, let 'em do their job, quit mucking about, war is he**, and the other side sure won't use any sort of "rules of engagement." That is my biggest problem! Get in there, do it fast, swift, decisive and full out, and get the heck out. If Iran want nukes, fine, but they'll know just exactly how many we've got pointed at them and what targets we'll hit.

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lol...I said we won't have VERY MANY problems with them.....

 

I never said OPEN/FREE trade with them....we need to go back to the Constitutional definitions and impose tariffs and dutys....if China, etc. doesn't like it, let them find another market for their goods....

 

Israel could have taken care of this problem DECADES ago if we would not have been dictating policy to them as we continue to do today....Israel can very much take care of themselves...they don't NEED our help, but who's going to turn down billions of free dollars???

 

Yes, trade oil...and once they have the money its absolutely none of our business what they do with it since we recieved a product for it....UNLIKE the FREE money we are sending out to everyone now.....

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lol...I said we won't have VERY MANY problems with them.....

 

I never said OPEN/FREE trade with them....we need to go back to the Constitutional definitions and impose tariffs and dutys....if China, etc. doesn't like it, let them find another market for their goods....

 

Israel could have taken care of this problem DECADES ago if we would not have been dictating policy to them as we continue to do today....Israel can very much take care of themselves...they don't NEED our help, but who's going to turn down billions of free dollars???

 

Yes, trade oil...and once they have the money its absolutely none of our business what they do with it since we recieved a product for it....UNLIKE the FREE money we are sending out to everyone now.....

Well, all righty... I think I can live with that first part! LOL!

 

One thing that I don't agree with is... can Israel really take care of itself. That's an awful small country, and it can be obliterated if it's hit from all sides.

 

As to the trade oil...uh, I'm not too sure I agree with that. What if we're trading oil with them and they use that money to bomb Israel? Or no telling what else? If it's about freedom, where does the morality of the choices we make come into the scenario? Do we trade with someone even though they're killing their own people? Thought...let's take Hitler. Heck with the rest of the folk, they've got some cool "whatever", and Americans would like it... so we'll buy it from 'em. While he takes our money and kills more. Would you be okay with that?

 

I agree... we shouldn't be sending FREE money to anyone!!!!!!

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