DaveTV1 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Even if we had remained under British control slavery would have still been around until 1833 if that's what he is referring to. It doesn't sound like he received much of an education at Miami when he was there for one year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBuddyGarrity Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Stoney said: https://www.ksat.com/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-rookie-lonnie-walker-posts-controversial-tweet I guess he should have “baked” instead of “woke”. Or maybe the “woke” came because of the “baked?” Ready to see him on the court, kid can hoop, him and Pop should get along well during this transition from older to younger Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 16 hours ago, DaveTV1 said: Even if we had remained under British control slavery would have still been around until 1833 if that's what he is referring to. It doesn't sound like he received much of an education at Miami when he was there for one year. Being that slavery ended in the 1860s, still a better deal. But I truly don't believe slavery ended until the Civil rights act. Question, do you guys celebrate Juneteenth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ctown81 said: Being that slavery ended in the 1860s, still a better deal. But I truly don't believe slavery ended until the Civil rights act. Question, do you guys celebrate Juneteenth? Why do you believe that? Can you name ANYBODY who was still a slave in 1964? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, CarthDawg77 said: Why do you believe that? Can you name ANYBODY who was still a slave in 1964? Very simple. Jim Crow kept us from being fully free. I get what he's saying with the fourth. Other than the Civil War, life has never changed for blacks. Blacks have a different view of history. I remember getting written up at school for questioning my 4th grade Texas History teacher about Santa Anna. I couldn't understand how he was such a bad guy but he outlawed slavery and that's one of the main reasons Texas wanted to rebel. She couldn't explain it and got upset. Black did not gain anything from the American Revolution. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 So whomever put down the #### emoji please explain how the 4th was good for the blacks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Oh yes, 1964. That was the start of The Great Society, which has shackled the majority of blacks to a Govt chain, forever a slave to the will of the Govt. Also, the start of the decline of the black family. And you owe it all to the Democratic Party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 8 hours ago, ctown81 said: Being that slavery ended in the 1860s, still a better deal. But I truly don't believe slavery ended until the Civil rights act. Question, do you guys celebrate Juneteenth? I don't see a need to. While I think we should remember that it did happen so that it doesn't happen again. Slavery hasn't existed except in some cases that are small in number so I don't see why I should. The only holidays I do celebrate are Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, Easter, and the Fourth of July. I don't see a purpose to celebrate the other holidays either. If my parents were around I would celebrate Father's and Mother's day, but those days always make me sad now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 hours ago, DaveTV1 said: I don't see a need to. While I think we should remember that it did happen so that it doesn't happen again. Slavery hasn't existed except in some cases that are small in number so I don't see why I should. The only holidays I do celebrate are Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, Easter, and the Fourth of July. I don't see a purpose to celebrate the other holidays either. If my parents were around I would celebrate Father's and Mother's day, but those days always make me sad now. I u derstand u not celebrating Juneteenth bc it reapply doesn't pertain to ur heritage. That's how I feel about the fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, ctown81 said: I u derstand u not celebrating Juneteenth bc it reapply doesn't pertain to ur heritage. That's how I feel about the fourth. Try thinking about this; America is a unique Nation which has been in transition since it’s beginning... it is the beacon of Freedom which has drawn people toward it from virtually every corner of the Globe; Is it perfect? No, but it’s imperfections have a way of correcting themselves unlike any other nation. Does it seem like it takes quite awhile to rectify it’s imperfections? Certainly, but this nation is unique in the history of mankind because it DOES change through the laws contained within it’s Constitution! & That Same Document was a direct result of The Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776! Sometimes we just have to learn to let go of the past in order to move on to tomorrow. You don’t have to forget, you only have to move on. What’s Past is Past, & it cannot be gone back to & changed; it can only be remembered so that mistakes of the past are not repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild74 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 11 hours ago, ctown81 said: I u derstand u not celebrating Juneteenth bc it reapply doesn't pertain to ur heritage. That's how I feel about the fourth. I may be wrong but I believe there was blacks that fought along side white folks for Independence. I don't think they was forced to fight but I believe they wanted to be free of British rule also. I don't have a bigoted bone in my body but I am very conservative so that puts me on the opposite side of most black folks. I don't think there was a war fought by the US where blacks didn't die fighting. They are as much a part of America as white folks are. I am always proud when Whites and Blacks can celebrate together. I hate the past for blacks but it is the past I can't do a thing about it and neither can you, I would just move on because resentment can create a lot of stress and a short life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 No resentment here.The first person killed at the Boston Massacre was black but the "engraving" turned him white to make the colonist more sympathetic. As for the blacks, most were forced or promised freedom and was never granted. That's well documented. It's truly hard to look at history with a patriotic eye knowing how my people were treated. Also, if a black did take up arms in their own, they'd have to be pretty stupid in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-countries-that-never-had-slavery Just FYI, besides newly formed modern-day countries, there has not been a country in history without slavery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 8 hours ago, ctown81 said: No resentment here.The first person killed at the Boston Massacre was black but the "engraving" turned him white to make the colonist more sympathetic. As for the blacks, most were forced or promised freedom and was never granted. That's well documented. It's truly hard to look at history with a patriotic eye knowing how my people were treated. Also, if a black did take up arms in their own, they'd have to be pretty stupid in my opinion. Every painting I've seen that was made at that time of shows Crispus Attucks as a black man, but he also had Native American. There were others that fought for the U.S. and others who were loyalist to the Crown. As I've always thought slavery should have ended with the Declaration of Independence with the words all men were created equal. Many lawsuits were brought in Northern States that ended slavery the first being Vermont. Before it joined the Union in 1791 it was the only independent state to join that had abolished slavery. Pennsylvania was the first state to abolish it in 1780. I think it was a terrible practice created by man. Every Nation on the face of this earth has slavery in their past not just for blacks. Many parts of Africa still practice it, even with laws against it. Without slavery I would say 90% of the black population would not be in the United States. While that's a guess I would say it would be a very good one. Some say that it wasn't practiced in Europe yet it was, and later it was again practiced with Serfdom and Indentured Servants. If I were born black, there's no way I would want to live in Africa. I've seen how many people live in those nations. There aren't any countries in the World that I would want to live in other than the U.S.A., except for maybe a year or a couple of months to tour. The U.S. offers more opportunities for people of all races compared to others. Racism exists in every part of the world, even against white people. Some countries in Asia are racist towards others from other countries in Asia. I'd much rather take my chances here, than anywhere else in the world. I could not live in Canada with their socialistic economy and cold weather. There's not a single place in Europe I would want to live. It doesn't matter what race I was I would only want to live here. Even if I were born to a ruling family of another nation, I would want to live here, because they subject their people to far worse than what the American Government ever has. That's just my reflection on History and living today. If you think living in the U.S.A. is so bad I certainly don't see you trying to flee the oppression you have today. I know I would. I've started my life with nothing three times, and I could do it again, but not in another country. It wouldn't matter what race I am. Instead you're complaining about the past that none of us had anything to do with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 As far as Crispus Attucks, the Engraving of the Boston Massacre showed him as white. Now more paintings are more accurate. (FYI that whole ordeal could have been avoided if Patriots weren't stirring up the crowd trying to incite riot. As far as Africa goes, imperialism killed it. For example, in Rwanda Europeans treated one group well and treated the other poorly. When the Belgians left, the side that was treated poorly tired to get their revenge. That happened all over Africa in the early 1900s. I really think the leave argument is silly. We praise colonists who chose to stay and make a change but now it's leave? Does that make since. As for the past the fourth of July is a celebration of the past but when I bring up other things that were going on, I'm bringing up the past Lastly, other than these 3 points, actually liked your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 People shouldn't just leave the country, but they should also be aware that slavery is in the past. The oppression that African Americans faced during the times of slavery, none of the people claiming it have ever felt. Yet, they want compensation for it. I am sorry, I can't sympathize with that group. Now the group that asks for more clarity regarding slavery in the past through history books, accuracy in the way things were, etc I am fine with. But seriously, erasing the past by changing school names, destroying statues, etc is erasing the mistakes of the past, not learning from them. I took an African American Literature class in college. It was very enlightening to read some of the tales that were wrote by some of the more educated slaves during that time period. It was a time of mass fear, and a lot of them didn't even come over on a boat... they were born into oppression and slavery and fear... I can't imagine what it was like for them... But like I have said, today's Americans did not create that past, nor do they have the means capable of doing anything similar to that. People say the police is doing it... I still think a lot of the times, a crime has been committed. Sometimes police pull up to see what is going on, getting offended and PO'ed and talking trash and yelling at police incites chaos etc... I am telling you, if these people were just the "yes sir, no sir" type, and police acted the way a lot of same ways that we've seen videos of, ALL of America would rain down on them. Rant over, and I am not even sure it flows well... so take it for what its worth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said: People shouldn't just leave the country, but they should also be aware that slavery is in the past. The oppression that African Americans faced during the times of slavery, none of the people claiming it have ever felt. Yet, they want compensation for it. I am sorry, I can't sympathize with that group. Now the group that asks for more clarity regarding slavery in the past through history books, accuracy in the way things were, etc I am fine with. But seriously, erasing the past by changing school names, destroying statues, etc is erasing the mistakes of the past, not learning from them. I took an African American Literature class in college. It was very enlightening to read some of the tales that were wrote by some of the more educated slaves during that time period. It was a time of mass fear, and a lot of them didn't even come over on a boat... they were born into oppression and slavery and fear... I can't imagine what it was like for them... But like I have said, today's Americans did not create that past, nor do they have the means capable of doing anything similar to that. People say the police is doing it... I still think a lot of the times, a crime has been committed. Sometimes police pull up to see what is going on, getting offended and PO'ed and talking trash and yelling at police incites chaos etc... I am telling you, if these people were just the "yes sir, no sir" type, and police acted the way a lot of same ways that we've seen videos of, ALL of America would rain down on them. Rant over, and I am not even sure it flows well... so take it for what its worth. Well said, I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookemhorns88 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I travel extensively internationally for business. I have been to 25 different countries so far. Aside from perhaps England, Norway or Sweden I would find it hard pressed to find another country that has the opportunities that the USA has. If people were to travel abroad just once then they would certainly have a different opinion of things. To this day blacks persecute blacks in Africa. Indians persecute Indians in India. Chinese persecute Chinese in China. Whites persecute whites in eastern Europe. Etc. The USA is not an island but it is far better than the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Hookemhorns88 said: I travel extensively internationally for business. I have been to 25 different countries so far. Aside from perhaps England, Norway or Sweden I would find it hard pressed to find another country that has the opportunities that the USA has. If people were to travel abroad just once then they would certainly have a different opinion of things. To this day blacks persecute blacks in Africa. Indians persecute Indians in India. Chinese persecute Chinese in China. Whites persecute whites in eastern Europe. Etc. The USA is not an island but it is far better than the rest of the world. Not to mention that the slaves who were brought to America were bought from other black slave traders in Africa; The notion that white men ran down & captured slaves is laughable... One only has to watch any sporting event to see that!🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 21 hours ago, ctown81 said: As far as Crispus Attucks, the Engraving of the Boston Massacre showed him as white. Now more paintings are more accurate. (FYI that whole ordeal could have been avoided if Patriots weren't stirring up the crowd trying to incite riot. As far as Africa goes, imperialism killed it. For example, in Rwanda Europeans treated one group well and treated the other poorly. When the Belgians left, the side that was treated poorly tired to get their revenge. That happened all over Africa in the early 1900s. I really think the leave argument is silly. We praise colonists who chose to stay and make a change but now it's leave? Does that make since. As for the past the fourth of July is a celebration of the past but when I bring up other things that were going on, I'm bringing up the past Lastly, other than these 3 points, actually liked your post. What I'm trying to say by leaving the U.S. is it's far worse in other countries. Also It seems the only slavery that is ever talked about is the U.S., like we're the only country in the world that had it. That is completely misguided. Slavery wasn't abolished by all countries until 1981 when Maurtania finally abolished it. That still doesn't stop slavery. As for Independence Day I'm going to celebrate it as long as we have some Freedom. I realize the left wants to take much of that away, for our own safety. I think if everyone lived by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence more people would get along, but I would say 75% of people may have read it once, but don't remember it. Sure they know a few amendments but that's because it's talked about a lot in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETXfan16 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 10:03 PM, ctown81 said: I u derstand u not celebrating Juneteenth bc it reapply doesn't pertain to ur heritage. That's how I feel about the fourth. I celebrated the 4th in downtown Fort Worth. The people who laid a blanket in front of me on the grass was a black family, probably 4 kids. Running all over the place with sparklers. The people next to me about 20 yards away was a Hispanic family (I'm guessing family) of about 15 people. I didn't think about it at first until my wife mentioned it to me. It was a great time. To me, it's sad to see some people hang on to the past and try to use it like a pocket ace, however, as time goes on that ace is no longer an ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBuddyGarrity Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Roseanne Barr unleashes another foul-mouthed tirade against Valerie Jarrett https://t.co/UQLjDindQU This dumb fool needs some professional help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 13 hours ago, MrBuddyGarrity said: Roseanne Barr unleashes another foul-mouthed tirade against Valerie Jarrett https://t.co/UQLjDindQU Jarrett was nothing but a Muslim plant with multiple ties to terrorists ... I truly believe she was controlling much of the anti-Christian, anti-American actions coming from Obama over his eight years of trying to tear this nation apart .... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfingnut Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 8:05 PM, MrBuddyGarrity said: Roseanne Barr unleashes another foul-mouthed tirade against Valerie Jarrett https://t.co/UQLjDindQU This dumb fool needs some professional help. I don't think she is dumb or a fool, but she definitely has a mental illness and is in need of some major help. Something is really wrong with her brain. Everything she says, whether it's in anger or apology is over the top. Extreme acts no matter what she is doing or saying. She is sick and needs help before something worse happens. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Golfingnut said: I don't think she is dumb or a fool, but she definitely has a mental illness and is in need of some major help. Something is really wrong with her brain. Everything she says, whether it's in anger or apology is over the top. Extreme acts no matter what she is doing or saying. She is sick and needs help before something worse happens. The only thing wrong with this idiot is that someone somewhere sometime told her she was funny & thought they could make a living off of her, & now we see how that all turned out... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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