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You also have to understand that “Radicalization” is different than “violent extremism”

 

Radicalization is the call for Sharia Law but not necessarily agreeing that violence is the way to achieve the goals called for in the Koran.  (These would be by infiltrating government positions and promoting their cultural ideas.  We are seeing this now with the two ladies in congress)

 

Violent Extremism is the use of violence to achieve the goals stated in the Koran. 

 

So the “radicalized” numbers are probably pushing 70% and the “violent extremist” is probably close to 1%.   

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35 minutes ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

Ok Einstein.  Point is, we have estimated numbers of radicalized Muslims being between 1% and 10%.  

 

So whether its Hagars 1% or my estimated 7%, Hagars argument was correct.  

 

We also know for a fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet.  So you go ahead and plug that into your formula.  

 

Listen fellas,

 

I’m not going to spend my day trying to teach you guys how to critically think.  I’ve already been down that road, and am not going back.  

And your estimates are correct why?  Excuse me if I don’t take for fact what “some people” say. 

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33 minutes ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

We know for a fact that the earth is round, Muslims make up one of the largest practiced religions on earth, is the fastest growing religion, and that Islam is responsible for 74% of all terroristic crimes across the planet.  

 

Listen fella,

If you don’t have the ability to critically think, that’s your issue.  

 

Are you telling us that less than 1% of Islam are violent radicalized? That would have to be what your stating to attempt to refute anything I’ve already posted.  

I know the earth is round. I was making a statement as to how the blog post came to his conclusions. What I’m stating is that you haven’t provided valid stats to back up your claim so therefore I cannot accept for fact what you feel is true. 

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2 minutes ago, ScreamingEagle said:

And your estimates are correct why?  Excuse me if I don’t take for fact what “some people” say. 

 

I haven’t made any “estimates”.  If one percent of Islam is radicalized violent, then Hagars argument holds true.  If half of one percent of Islam is radicalized violent, then Hagars argument holds true.  

 

Any one of those “estimates” as you call them still makes Hagar correct.  

 

So are you saying leas that one percent of Islam is radicalized and being ok with violence to attain their goals laid out in the Koran?

 

I mean the Koran itself is very clear on using any means necessary to corrupt, deceive, and infiltrate.   

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3 minutes ago, ScreamingEagle said:

I know the earth is round. I was making a statement as to how the blog post came to his conclusions. What I’m stating is that you haven’t provided valid stats to back up your claim so therefore I cannot accept for fact what you feel is true. 

 

 

And yes I have provided valid sources.  

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https://www.telospress.com/how-many-muslims-still-support-terrorism/

 

 

Here is a very telling article that claims, under Donald Rumsfeld’s 2008 study, that 7% of Muslims worldwide “advocate for terror”

 

Incidentally, one poll that sampled Muslims after 9-11 showed only 7% of Muslims felt the attack on 9-11 was “justified.”

 

Wow, that’s a weird coincidence 

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13 minutes ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

I haven’t made any “estimates”.  If one percent of Islam is radicalized violent, then Hagars argument holds true.  If half of one percent of Islam is radicalized violent, then Hagars argument holds true.  

 

Any one of those “estimates” as you call them still makes Hagar correct.  

 

So are you saying leas that one percent of Islam is radicalized and being ok with violence to attain their goals laid out in the Koran?

 

I mean the Koran itself is very clear on using any means necessary to corrupt, deceive, and infiltrate.   

You just said in your previous post your “estimated” number of 7% and now your saying you haven’t made estimates. Interesting how the right works. 

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1 hour ago, ScreamingEagle said:

The simple fact is that MANY Christian priests are pedophiles & that number is too high. But I guess if you want to minimize pedophilia then that’s your prerogative. 

I never mentioned pedophiles, but since You did, I believe all of them should be shot, as should have been The ‘prophet’ Mohammed.

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4 minutes ago, theoldballcoach said:

china is no better than nazi germany with this.

i'm no fan of the muslim religion.  i hope every terrorist that blows himself up in order to get to the 72 virgins ends up getting 72 guys just like him.

but putting people into concentration camps because of their religion is the same EXACT thing the nazis did to the jews.

and just because you hate muslims doesn't make it right.  for those of you endorsing this practice and quoting bible verses are perverting the words of the bible to fit your narrative just like the terrorists pervert the koran in order to validate their actions.

and there have been more people killed in the name of Christianity throughout world history than by all those mooslims and their bombs.  and that is a known FACT.

Finally someone talking sense. 

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5 minutes ago, theoldballcoach said:

china is no better than nazi germany with this.

i'm no fan of the muslim religion.  i hope every terrorist that blows himself up in order to get to the 72 virgins ends up getting 72 guys just like him.

but putting people into concentration camps because of their religion is the same EXACT thing the nazis did to the jews.

and just because you hate muslims doesn't make it right.  for those of you endorsing this practice and quoting bible verses are perverting the words of the bible to fit your narrative just like the terrorists pervert the koran in order to validate their actions.

and there have been more people killed in the name of Christianity throughout world history than by all those mooslims and their bombs.  and that is a known FACT.

 

 

Eh.  That is actually not a known fact.  Christians may have killed a bunch of people, but not IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

 

That is the difference.  It’s a drastic difference that should not me missed.  

 

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2 minutes ago, CENTEXFAN said:

Finally someone talking sense. 

 

Only he painfully left out the one thing that differentiates the two.  

 

To say “Christians have killed way more”.  Well, we are a country of Christians who have fought in war for the most part of our existence.  We were not killing in the name of Jesus as radicalized Islam kills in the name of Mohammed.  

 

So, the real fact is that there are many many many more radicalized Muslims killing in the name of Mohammed than there is Christians killing in the name of Jesus.  

 

I humbly feel that you two are both mistaken in your statements.  

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and there have been more people killed in the name of Christianity throughout world history than by all those mooslims and their bombs.  and that is a known FACT.

I don't think that is the FACTS, while people killed in the name of Christianity they did so fighting the muslims who themselves was killing everyone in the name of Allah. Misguided Christianity has caught up with the true meaning of scripture while muslims are still practicing their terror in the name of scripture

 

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Sure, a religion is just a system of belief. Whether you're talking about Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Trotskyism, Leninism, or the systematic worship of the Democratic Party that's on display in this thread.

More lives have been taken in the name of religion than anything else. So what? Might as well say death is the leading cause of not being alive. What's the point?

Let's get to the heart of the matter here.........

You know of any Knights Templar leading Pope-ordained invasions into Jerusalem? You know of any Evangelical leaders officially sanctioning the Klan? You know of any Jewish priests calling for the ethnic cleansing of the Canaanites? Probably not.

But do you know of any liberal Democrats advocating the murder of unborn black babies? You know of any Islamic religious leaders supporting suicide bombers?


Some of these things are not like the others.

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3 hours ago, theoldballcoach said:

you can't be serious?  what do you think the crusades were all about?  i'm guessing you don't know history very well.

every heard of St. Thomas Aquinas?  he killed a whole bunch of people that he thought were heretics and witches.

guessing you also never heard of the Papal bull issued by Pope Nicholas V against the Saracens?  millions killed in that one.

or how about the amount of native americans killed when the spaniards swept across the Americas trying to convert all of them to Christianity?  remember any of that?

 

ALL of it in the name of Jesus.  

what you are failing to comprehend is that there has been killing in the name of religion for centuries.  you only take exception with it when the peccadilloes of the religion you believe are called into question when you question the ones of another religion. 

 

 

I might have a better understanding than you think.  

 

The crusades have had religion tied to it.  However, we are discussing radicalized religions. 

 

Are you saying radicalized Christians left home to squash a Muslim invasion.  No sir, that is not the case.   

 

The facts are undeniable.  The crusades was not a terrorist attack in the name of Jesus.  9/11 was a terrorist attack in the name of Allah.  

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1 hour ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

 

I might have a better understanding than you think.  

 

The crusades have had religion tied to it.  However, we are discussing radicalized religions. 

 

Are you saying radicalized Christians left home to squash a Muslim invasion.  No sir, that is not the case.   

 

The facts are undeniable.  The crusades was not a terrorist attack in the name of Jesus.  9/11 was a terrorist attack in the name of Allah.  

What about Bosnia in the Mid 1990's   ?  They killed anybody who was not Christian.  Mainly Muslims and Catholics.  

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4 hours ago, theoldballcoach said:

you can't be serious?  what do you think the crusades were all about?  i'm guessing you don't know history very well.

every heard of St. Thomas Aquinas?  he killed a whole bunch of people that he thought were heretics and witches.

guessing you also never heard of the Papal bull issued by Pope Nicholas V against the Saracens?  millions killed in that one.

or how about the amount of native americans killed when the spaniards swept across the Americas trying to convert all of them to Christianity?  remember any of that?

 

ALL of it in the name of Jesus.  

what you are failing to comprehend is that there has been killing in the name of religion for centuries.  you only take exception with it when the peccadilloes of the religion you believe are called into question when you question the ones of another religion. 

The sad part is you're mentioning times that were 500 - 1000 years ago.  That's been stopped, yet Muslimes today keep killing.  As for the Conquistadors they were looking for Gold which in essence is from greed, and that is not a teaching of Jesus Christ.  As for the crusades the Muslimes attacked first, and the Christians were trying to retake the lands.  I can't add those totals to the number of people killed for Christianity the same after parts of Europe were conquered by Muslime invaders.  

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Just now, CENTEXFAN said:

What about Bosnia in the Mid 1990's   ?  They killed anybody who was not Christian.  Mainly Muslims and Catholics.  

 

Bosnia wasn’t necessarily a religious confrontation.  

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1 minute ago, TheNameIsDalton said:

 

Bosnia wasn’t necessarily a religious confrontation.  

I was there first rotation.  Crawled through the mass grave were 8,000 non Christians,  in Serbinica looking for mines so they could secure the war crime site.  Then went to the small city of Brcko , and engaged the militia who committed the war crimes.  You need to unrearend your head if you say that was not a mainly religious war.  This war was brought on by decades of religious intolerance.  

 

Operation Joint Endeavor.  

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They are an atheist Country, and that is what they do.  I can see the same thing happening in America in 50-70 years if people don't wake up to Democrat Policies.  

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1 hour ago, CENTEXFAN said:

I was there first rotation.  Crawled through the mass grave were 8,000 non Christians,  in Serbinica looking for mines so they could secure the war crime site.  Then went to the small city of Brcko , and engaged the militia who committed the war crimes.  You need to unrearend your head if you say that was not a mainly religious war.  This war was brought on by decades of religious intolerance.  

 

Operation Joint Endeavor.  

Bosnia was making the transition from Yugoslavia and the Government didn't have the resources to have a strong army.  This is why militias of various people including atheist under the Communist regime of Yugoslavia were committing war crimes, yet you want to call it a religious war.  As you wrote above they were slaughtering not only Muslimes but Catholics as well.  That was more of a war for power, and not for religion.  So if you going to tell someone to learn history, perhaps you should understand the History of that region.  That is another facet of communism/socialism that I do not want to see in America, but you seem to embrace it for some reason.  

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1 hour ago, btex said:

Well when we praise them for doing it to other religions we sure don’t honor our constitution.

If you don't see the pattern then you simply don't understand the method.  I've seen it before in other countries, and I certainly don't want it happening here with our "living breathing document" that I feel is set in stone.  

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2 hours ago, DaveTV1 said:

Bosnia was making the transition from Yugoslavia and the Government didn't have the resources to have a strong army.  This is why militias of various people including atheist under the Communist regime of Yugoslavia were committing war crimes, yet you want to call it a religious war.  As you wrote above they were slaughtering not only Muslimes but Catholics as well.  That was more of a war for power, and not for religion.  So if you going to tell someone to learn history, perhaps you should understand the History of that region.  That is another facet of communism/socialism that I do not want to see in America, but you seem to embrace it for some reason.  

Wrong !  I asked them why they ( militias ) did the war crimes.  They just replied; " Who cares they were not Christians.  Isn't America a Christian nation ? "  They were brought up on hate.  The Bosnian War may have started in the 90s, but the making of the war was the making of teaching hate to people who think different.  The Serbs tried to make people with different religions second class citizens.  That is when Bosnia broke away from Yugoslavia.  Same thing happened a few years later in Kosovo.  I got out of military before Kosovo.  America loves to twist history to where Christians were the good guys all the time, or just say it wasn't a religious war.  

 

By the way it was A Christian who took photos of what was a concentration  camp like conditions.  Newsweek magazine got a hold of them, and NATO went in before the picture came out in the weekly magazine.  Some of us still remember the News Week magazine where they had a split cover of Nazi concentration camp and the current at the time Serbian concentration camp  Title said" NEVER AGAIN ?"

 

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