Texas State Bobcats

[Stoney]

Fired HC Everett Withers recently. Has anybody else wondered why the Bobcats have had issues fielding competitive teams at the D1 level? According to Keff Ciardello of The Austin American Statesman these issues may be why.

1. Athletic Director said they would pay Withers’ buyout from James Madison ($350k). Texas State never does, forcing Withers’ to negotiate with James Madison for him to pay personally $250k to become Texas State’s new HC.

2. Bus crash in 2016 injured several athletes, cheerleaders, student workers, staff, the AD never acknowledged or mentioned the injured. “They operate under a different leadership style.” 

3. AD and Football Administrator wouldn’t reveal team budgets to the HC or his staff.

Who would coach somewhere under these conditions? That explains a part of the problem.

[trueblue82]

50 minutes ago, Stoney said:

Fired HC Everett Withers recently. Has anybody else wondered why the Bobcats have had issues fielding competitive teams at the D1 level? According to Keff Ciardello of The Austin American Statesman these issues may be why.

1. Athletic Director said they would pay Withers’ buyout from James Madison ($350k). Texas State never does, forcing Withers’ to negotiate with James Madison for him to pay personally $250k to become Texas State’s new HC.

2. Bus crash in 2016 injured several athletes, cheerleaders, student workers, staff, the AD never acknowledged or mentioned the injured. “They operate under a different leadership style.” 

3. AD and Football Administrator wouldn’t reveal team budgets to the HC or his staff.

Who would coach somewhere under these conditions? That explains a part of the problem.

I have withdrawn the resume’ that I submitted for consideration. 

[Stoney]

38 minutes ago, trueblue82 said:

I have withdrawn the resume’ that I submitted for consideration. 

That’s probably good thinking. One dysfunctional high paying job is enough, right? 

[trueblue82]

46 minutes ago, Stoney said:

That’s probably good thinking. One dysfunctional high paying job is enough, right? 

Yes, except the one I have isn’t exactly high-paying. But dysfunctional, yes. 

[Coach0001]

You would think Traylor would be interested but after reading that probably not.

Think of the possibilities there beautiful campus lots of other beautiful things. 

I think Weathers made around 1 million. So it would be significant pay raise. 

[trueblue82]

1 hour ago, Coach0001 said:

You would think Traylor would be interested but after reading that probably not.

Think of the possibilities there beautiful campus lots of other beautiful things. 

I think Weathers made around 1 million. So it would be significant pay raise. 

It’s also very likely a train wreck if the head coach isn’t given the budget and the authority to hire good assistants. 

[Stoney]

5 minutes ago, trueblue82 said:

It’s also very likely a train wreck if the head coach isn’t given the budget and the authority to hire good assistants. 

 

1 hour ago, Coach0001 said:

You would think Traylor would be interested but after reading that probably not.

Think of the possibilities there beautiful campus lots of other beautiful things. 

I think Weathers made around 1 million. So it would be significant pay raise. 

Great campus. Good location. Winnable conference. All the good can’t hide the dysfunction of the athletic department. You can’t tie your football programs hands and expect them to win in spite of you. No wonder Fran bailed quicker than usual the second time around. There’s no reason the Bobcats can’t be a UNT/Houston level program. Except you gotta get rid of the President and AD to do that.

[trueblue82]

29 minutes ago, Stoney said:

 

Great campus. Good location. Winnable conference. All the good can’t hide the dysfunction of the athletic department. You can’t tie your football programs hands and expect them to win in spite of you. No wonder Fran bailed quicker than usual the second time around. There’s no reason the Bobcats can’t be a UNT/Houston level program. Except you gotta get rid of the President and AD to do that.

Until they do, they will fail to attract a good football coach. Without a coach and a good staff, the better recruits are going to go elsewhere. 

[Stoney]

1 hour ago, trueblue82 said:

Until they do, they will fail to attract a good football coach. Without a coach and a good staff, the better recruits are going to go elsewhere. 

Texas State could be a good job similar to Houston and North Texas. I just didn’t realize how much of a dumpster fire it was behind the scenes. 

[MeanGreenDogs64]

As soon as we fired our AD and got a new staff, the entire athletic department changed for the better. No reason Texas State can’t do this.

[Stoney]

[Coach Rab]

3 hours ago, Stoney said:

Wow.  My philosophy (as an athletic trainer) is “when in doubt, seek outside help.”  I’ve sent sprained ankles to the Dr just to soothe the kid/parent’s mind about a possible fracture.  

Sounds like a mess.  Top to bottom.

[Mr. P]

If true, this up there with Baylor. 

[Stoney]

1 minute ago, AKA said:

If true, this up there with Baylor. 

I could understand Baylor getting caught up with winning. This mess at Texas State? It’s like the Three Stooges running a football program. The more you dig, the more incompetent it gets. Maybe they need to go back down to FCS?

[Stoney]

@MavGrad99 It seems to me there’s a lot of post turtles at the school. You don’t know how they got there but you sure as heck know they don’t belong there. 

[Stoney]

Today’s allegations of ineptitude.

The football program was spending too much money on players lunches, causing the coaches to go to HEB for deli trays to feed the guys out of their pockets.

Athletic department was delinquent on their Coke/Powerade bill, causing the coaches to have to buy Gatorade out of their pockets.

December 2017-January 2018, Associate Athletic Director informs the staff that they are out of recruiting money. Donors had to pay $25k to allow the staff to finish their recruiting class.

Texas State was also delinquent on their lab testing bill for player drug testing. Head Athletic Trainer  after three weeks of questioning the results told the staff that the bill hadn’t been paid. Athletic Director told the staff to “forget about it and move on.”

Texas State compliance office told the staff that they could not blueshirt players. Coaches confronted the compliance office about other schools being able to blueshirt recruits. Compliance office finally notified the staff that players could be blueshirted the night before Signing Day. 

- Keff Ciardello Austin American Statesman 

[trueblue82]

All of this makes it sound like TSU made the move to FBS without having all their ducks in a row. They were an FCS powerhouse, but competing against the big boys week-in, week-out is a whole other story. 

[PelvisPresley]

12 hours ago, Stoney said:

Today’s allegations of ineptitude.

The football program was spending too much money on players lunches, causing the coaches to go to HEB for deli trays to feed the guys out of their pockets.

Athletic department was delinquent on their Coke/Powerade bill, causing the coaches to have to buy Gatorade out of their pockets.

December 2017-January 2018, Associate Athletic Director informs the staff that they are out of recruiting money. Donors had to pay $25k to allow the staff to finish their recruiting class.

Texas State was also delinquent on their lab testing bill for player drug testing. Head Athletic Trainer  after three weeks of questioning the results told the staff that the bill hadn’t been paid. Athletic Director told the staff to “forget about it and move on.”

Texas State compliance office told the staff that they could not blueshirt players. Coaches confronted the compliance office about other schools being able to blueshirt recruits. Compliance office finally notified the staff that players could be blueshirted the night before Signing Day. 

- Keff Ciardello Austin American Statesman 

when you're saying their compliance office wouldn't allow "blushirting"...you're saying that if the coaching staff had walk-on's or non-scholarship players and then they wanted to give them a scholarship prior to the season based on great play and the availability of scholarship money (scholarships) it wasn't allowed? seems like the coach would simply be able to walk into the office and say, "we have 85 scholarships" or however many the school is financially setup to handle (60, 70, 80)..."and I have only given out 82...players A, B, and C are being moved over to full scholarship" or 3/4 or whatever coming out of the football budget depending on the division and again, school...because that's the way it works...like any company, you have an allotted "scholarship" budget and once that $xxxxxxx amount is gone, then it's gone. 

[Stoney]

3 minutes ago, CoachPelvisPresley said:

when you're saying their compliance office wouldn't allow "blushirting"...you're saying that if the coaching staff had walk-on's or non-scholarship players and then they wanted to give them a scholarship prior to the season based on great play and the availability of scholarship money (scholarships) it wasn't allowed? seems like the coach would simply be able to walk into the office and say, "we have 85 scholarships" or however many the school is financially setup to handle (60, 70, 80)..."and I have only given out 82...players A, B, and C are being moved over to full scholarship" or 3/4 or whatever coming out of the football budget depending on the division and again, school...because that's the way it works...like any company, you have an allotted "scholarship" budget and once that $xxxxxxx amount is gone, then it's gone. 

[Stoney]

[Stoney]

11 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

All of this makes it sound like TSU made the move to FBS without having all their ducks in a row. They were an FCS powerhouse, but competing against the big boys week-in, week-out is a whole other story. 

That’s exactly what it sounds like. A move down to FCS might be better.

[Stoney]

17 minutes ago, CoachPelvisPresley said:

when you're saying their compliance office wouldn't allow "blushirting"...you're saying that if the coaching staff had walk-on's or non-scholarship players and then they wanted to give them a scholarship prior to the season based on great play and the availability of scholarship money (scholarships) it wasn't allowed? seems like the coach would simply be able to walk into the office and say, "we have 85 scholarships" or however many the school is financially setup to handle (60, 70, 80)..."and I have only given out 82...players A, B, and C are being moved over to full scholarship" or 3/4 or whatever coming out of the football budget depending on the division and again, school...because that's the way it works...like any company, you have an allotted "scholarship" budget and once that $xxxxxxx amount is gone, then it's gone. 

From what I’ve read, the administration didn’t know the rules concern the blueshirt or gray shirt. As far as the budget, that was need to know info that the football staff didn’t need to know apparently.

[PelvisPresley]

you'd be shocked how often a coach thinks they have $xxxxx amount in this line item or that of a budget and then all of a sudden it's gone, because the AD or somebody up above has decided that some other team that has gone over needs it to cover, which is total @$&#...or they just aren't being told period. some schools are pretty weird financially and will genuinely get you into the school year with some floating budget ("they are still working on it"..."it's pending") just as a "possibility" and then all of a sudden it's not there.

[TTman7]

16 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

All of this makes it sound like TSU made the move to FBS without having all their ducks in a row. They were an FCS powerhouse, but competing against the big boys week-in, week-out is a whole other story. 

Whoa!! They were NOT a FCS/D1-AA powerhouse by any means. j/s 

[trueblue82]

38 minutes ago, TTman7 said:

Whoa!! They were NOT a FCS/D1-AA powerhouse by any means. j/s 

Well, they were a consistent Southland Conference contender, much more so than SFA. I guess that’s what I meant.