MrBuddyGarrity Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Was doing some reading this morning and found this below: Mike Pereira is concerned with declining number of officials | The Sacramento Bee. It is really time to address the abuse that officials have to deal with on the youth level. Please read this article. The problem is not just in Sacramento, it’s everywhere. https://t.co/e2rFImup4A 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacwagons Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 hours ago, MrBuddyGarrity said: Was doing some reading this morning and found this below: Mike Pereira is concerned with declining number of officials | The Sacramento Bee. It is really time to address the abuse that officials have to deal with on the youth level. Please read this article. The problem is not just in Sacramento, it’s everywhere. https://t.co/e2rFImup4A Its refs, umpires, all officials, all sports!!! I wouldn't want to do it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 56 minutes ago, Nacwagons said: Its refs, umpires, all officials, all sports!!! I wouldn't want to do it!!! Need thick skin and the ability to own your mistakes. Too many officials can’t keep their emotions in check during a game. Coming into this they should know 3 things. 1. The home team wants to win 2. The away team wants to win. 3. The loser will blame the officials no matter what. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacwagons Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said: Need thick skin and the ability to own your mistakes. Too many officials can’t keep their emotions in check during a game. Coming into this they should know 3 things. 1. The home team wants to win 2. The away team wants to win. 3. The loser will blame the officials no matter what. Mistakes happen, I am referring to the out right abuse from fans and coaches. Even with thick skin it’s tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniballer Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Unfortunately, parents and coaches are driving away officials. I have officiated two sports for a few years now and each time out there I try to think about how I can make this extra money without getting verbally assaulted. And it's not just high school games, it's middle school and youth sports that are just as bad. The idea that some parents and coaches have that when I show up I have certain teams I want to win so I "cheat" for them is mind-blowing. In the last two years I have had a coach charge us from the bench and just a few weeks ago a parent come on to the basketball floor to yell at my partner. Coaches have thrown things at officials and called guys names that are unbelievable. Kudos to guys who do it all the time. I will continue to do it because in some instances I enjoy it. But it's tough! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 If they can’t take abuse from a coach then they shouldn’t be out there. If a parent is allowed to verbally abuse them, then the school should be reported and punished imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NODAYSOFFTX Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Most of time it’s stuff like the saints and rams game is the reason why refs get yelled at. I mean it’s obvious stuff they miss sometimes smh.. not condoning anything I’m just saying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHillBuckeye Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 There are some good officials out there, but most of them, especially in basketball, need to either learn the rules of the game, or quit. Nothing worse than an arrogant official who has no clue how to call a game. Tyler chapter is absolutely horrible!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardCubFan Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Officiating can be tough and I will say that for the most part, coaches on the varsity level (at least in my experience and observation) have really improved when it comes to their relationships on the field with officials. Now, when it comes to middle school and sub-varsity level...in some cases, it has gotten worse. However, what one has to realize as an official is that these varsity coaches coach for a living. In today's world of education, you usually do not have coaches staying at one school for 20 to 30 years, through winning seasons and losing ones. A couple of bad runs, or simply at the whim of the administration, that coach is gone and has to find a job somewhere else. This impacts not only him/her, but his family also. Using diplomacy, knowing the rules and the philosophy of applying those rules, and most importantly, knowing the proper mechanics of officiating, can lead to mutual respect on both ends. For those who sit in the stands, especially in football, come join a chapter. Learn the actual rules and become an official! You will not only see just how hard the job is, but if you learn to it well, you will have the best time doing it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, DieHardCubFan said: Officiating can be tough and I will say that for the most part, coaches on the varsity level (at least in my experience and observation) have really improved when it comes to their relationships on the field with officials. Now, when it comes to middle school and sub-varsity level...in some cases, it has gotten worse. However, what one has to realize as an official is that these varsity coaches coach for a living. In today's world of education, you usually do not have coaches staying at one school for 20 to 30 years, through winning seasons and losing ones. A couple of bad runs, or simply at the whim of the administration, that coach is gone and has to find a job somewhere else. This impacts not only him/her, but his family also. Using diplomacy, knowing the rules and the philosophy of applying those rules, and most importantly, knowing the proper mechanics of officiating, can lead to mutual respect on both ends. For those who sit in the stands, especially in football, come join a chapter. Learn the actual rules and become an official! You will not only see just how hard the job is, but if you learn to it well, you will have the best time doing it! I would hate the job... Running, memorizing, getting everything correct or getting yelled at.... sounds like High School all over again 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Refs have always had it rough but are in a no-win situation these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Most fans don't know the rules enough of a sport. So out of ignorance, they holler out bs to the refs. And to be quite honest, I think some of them make fools of themselves, whether they're right or wrong about a call a ref had made. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBuddyGarrity Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Crawford said: Most fans don't know the rules enough of a sport, so out of ignorance, they holler out bs to the refs. And to be quite honest, I think some of them make fools of themselves, whether they're right or wrong about a call a ref had made. Yes, I agree lol. That's why I try to sit at games by myself or with other knowledgeable ppl. What I've been seeing lately here in my area (since i got back in 2014) is ppl are getting escorted out the stadiums or gyms more, I didn't see that before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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uniballer Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 16 hours ago, MavGrad99 said: If they can’t take abuse from a coach then they shouldn’t be out there. If a parent is allowed to verbally abuse them, then the school should be reported and punished imo I am a coach also, so as a referee or umpire I am not usually bothered by a coach griping or complaining. However, I think that coaches in some instances are out of line in how they address officials. If as coaches we are to be role models and set the example for our student-athletes, berating an official or being ignorant should not be tolerated. Do I get on an official in a game at times? Absolutely. But there is a way to get on an official without showing him up or yelling and screaming. Consider that a basketball official has left his day job early in many situations and has hustled to a gym to call a game and spend a night away from his family. I hate to tell you guys, but the money is not good enough to sit and have some coach try and embarrass you in front of a gym full of people. Parents and fans who berate officials should be removed immediately. I have no use for that as an official or a coach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniballer Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 hours ago, DieHardCubFan said: Officiating can be tough and I will say that for the most part, coaches on the varsity level (at least in my experience and observation) have really improved when it comes to their relationships on the field with officials. Now, when it comes to middle school and sub-varsity level...in some cases, it has gotten worse. However, what one has to realize as an official is that these varsity coaches coach for a living. In today's world of education, you usually do not have coaches staying at one school for 20 to 30 years, through winning seasons and losing ones. A couple of bad runs, or simply at the whim of the administration, that coach is gone and has to find a job somewhere else. This impacts not only him/her, but his family also. Using diplomacy, knowing the rules and the philosophy of applying those rules, and most importantly, knowing the proper mechanics of officiating, can lead to mutual respect on both ends. For those who sit in the stands, especially in football, come join a chapter. Learn the actual rules and become an official! You will not only see just how hard the job is, but if you learn to it well, you will have the best time doing it! I think you are spot on - the issues usually come from middle school or sub-varsity games where the coach does not have a clue what he is yelling. Nothing like a middle school coach telling you how you have missed 10 over the back calls. Find over the back in the rule book and we can talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardCubFan Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, uniballer said: I think you are spot on - the issues usually come from middle school or sub-varsity games where the coach does not have a clue what he is yelling. Nothing like a middle school coach telling you how you have missed 10 over the back calls. Find over the back in the rule book and we can talk. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, uniballer said: I am a coach also, so as a referee or umpire I am not usually bothered by a coach griping or complaining. However, I think that coaches in some instances are out of line in how they address officials. If as coaches we are to be role models and set the example for our student-athletes, berating an official or being ignorant should not be tolerated. Do I get on an official in a game at times? Absolutely. But there is a way to get on an official without showing him up or yelling and screaming. Consider that a basketball official has left his day job early in many situations and has hustled to a gym to call a game and spend a night away from his family. I hate to tell you guys, but the money is not good enough to sit and have some coach try and embarrass you in front of a gym full of people. Parents and fans who berate officials should be removed immediately. I have no use for that as an official or a coach. You should come to a Mineral Wells soccer game. Our coach is great about the stuff, but the fans... SMDH... Even if the fans are correct, are brutal... One dad yells in Spanish constantly to our refs "¡Oye Árbitro, despídete del Expreso de Pollo! ¡Deberías ir a trabajar allí!" (used Google translate) "Hey referee, lay off of the Chicken Express. Maybe you should go work there instead!" Naturally, we don't do anything about it because we have no clue what he is saying, but everyone in the stands are laughing. It's pretty tasteless. Especially when he is yelling it out directly to the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73tigers Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Officials shouldn't be abused y coaches or fans...………... I've been involved in games where the players get out of hand and are a reflection of the coach. Sadly, wins and losses determine a coaches future. Seldom, does an official cost you the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 The kids are usually way better about handling a bad call than adults are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattStepp Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Been talking about this for a few years now....Friday night lights will become Thursday or Saturday night lights in a lot of small towns very soon due to officiating shortages...only the big schools will play on Fridays 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roosta Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Most officials do not officiate for a living. They have jobs like the rest of us and after work get in their cars and hustle to who knows where so our youth can participate. We need to check ourselves on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, roosta said: Most officials do not officiate for a living. They have jobs like the rest of us and after work get in their cars and hustle to who knows where so our youth can participate. We need to check ourselves on this. If they only officiated high school sports for a living, their checks are signed by the Welfare Administration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 1:13 PM, MavGrad99 said: Need thick skin and the ability to own your mistakes. Too many officials can’t keep their emotions in check during a game. Coming into this they should know 3 things. 1. The home team wants to win 2. The away team wants to win. 3. The loser will blame the officials no matter what. Are you really blaming the refs for the lack of refs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 7:37 PM, SHillBuckeye said: There are some good officials out there, but most of them, especially in basketball, need to either learn the rules of the game, or quit. Nothing worse than an arrogant official who has no clue how to call a game. Tyler chapter is absolutely horrible!! wHAT ABOUT ARROGANT FANS, PLAYERS OR COACHES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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