Stoney Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I need SDC’s help in making a point in a upcoming thread. Just rank the QBs from 1-32. Josh Allen Buffalo Josh Rosen Miami Tom Brady New England Sam Darnold NYJ Lamar Jackson Baltimore Andy Dalton Cincinnati Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Baker Mayfield Cleveland Marcus Marriota Tennessee Deshaun Watson Houston Andrew Luck Indianapolis Nick Foles Jacksonville Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Derek Carr Oakland Philip Rivers LAC Joe Flacco Denver Dak Prescott Dallas Eli Manning NYG Carson Wentz Philadelphia Case Keenum Washington Mitch Trubisky Chicago Matt Stafford Detroit Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Kirk Cousins Minnesota Matt Ryan Atlanta Drew Brees New Orleans Cam Newton Carolina Jameis Winston Tampa Bay Kyler Murray Arizona Jimmy Garropalo San Francsico Jared Goff LAR Russell Wilson Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 Stoney’s List 32. Kyler Murray Arizona 31.Case Keenum Washington 30.Joe Flacco Denver 29. Nick Foles Jacksonville 28. Jameis Winston Tampa Bay 27. Eli Manning NYG 26. Josh Rosen Miami 25. Josh Allen Buffalo 24. Lamar Jackson Baltimore 23. Sam Darnold NYJ 22. Andy Dalton Cincinnati 21. Marcus Marriota Tennessee 20. Derek Carr Oakland 19. Jimmy Garropalo San Francisco 18. Mitch Trubisky Chicago 17. Baker Mayfield Cleveland 16. Kirk Cousins Minnesota 15. Carson Wentz Philadelphia 14. Cam Newton Carolina 13. Matt Stafford Detroit 12. Dak Prescott Dallas 11. Deshaun Watson Houston 10. Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh 9. Jared Goff LAR 8. Matt Ryan Atlanta 7. Phillip Rivers LAC 6. Andrew Luck Indianapolis 5. Russell Wilson Seattle 4.Patrick Mahomes Kansas City 3. Drew Brees New Orleans 2. Tom Brady New England 1. Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 32. Kyler Murray, Arizona (rookie) 31. Sam Darnold, New York 30. Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay 29. Case Keenum, Washington 28. Josh Rosen, Miami 27. Josh Allen, Buffalo 26. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore 25. Dak Prescott, Dallas 24. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati 23. Marcus Marriota Tennessee 22. Joe Flacco, Denver 21. Nick Foles, Jacksonville 20. Eli Manning, NYG 19. Derek Carr, Oakland 18. Mitch Trubisky, Chicago 17. Jimmy Garropalo, San Francisco 16. Kirk Cousins, Minnesota 15. Carson Wentz, Philadelphia 14. Phillip Rivers, San Diego 13. Baker Mayfield, Cleveland 12. Matt Stafford, Detroit 11. Deshaun Watson, Houston 10. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh 9. Patrick Mahomes Kansas City 8. Cam Newton, Carolina 7. Jared Goff, Los Angeles 6. Matt Ryan, Atlanta 5. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis 4. Russell Wilson, Seattle 3. Drew Brees, New Orleans 2. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay 1. Tom Brady, New England 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 It is for just one season or like 5 years? and do they all cost the same? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Valhalla said: It is for just one season or like 5 years? and do they all cost the same? Just who’s the best starting QBs right now. I’m watching these guys on Twitter losing it over the idea of Dallas giving Dak a $30m deal. He’s not a top 10 guy. Maybe a top 15. A top 20 guy sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Here is my list. This is just for next season and does not take into account the salaries of the players which would make the list different. Mahomes (KC) Rodgers (GB) Luck (Indy) Wilson (Seattle) Brady (NE) Brees (NO) Rivers (LAC) Wentz (Philly) Ryan (ATL) Newton (CAR) Mayfield (CLE) Watson (HOU) Roethlisberger (PITT) Cousins (MIN) Stafford (DET) Goff (LAR) Garropolo (SF) Carr (OAK) Prescott (DAL) Dalton (Cincy) Trubisky (CHI) Keenum (WAS) Foles (JAC) Darnold (NYJ) Murray (ARI) Jackson (BAL) Marriota (TEN) Flaco (DEN) Manning (NYG) Allen (BUF) Rosen (MIA) Winston (TB) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 As a Cowboys fan, I'm still not convinced Dak is the future (primarily because of his inconsistent accuracy), and definitely wouldn't give him $30M, but he's also definitely better than several of the guys some of you are putting above him. Garropolo? Cousins? Car? Flacco?!...he may not even be a starter this year. Dak is a top 15 QB in the league. But $30M. You better be top 3! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Jerruh will overpay for Prescott, no doubt ... Dak is better than average, but not 30 million a year good ... 20 million would be generous ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 Since Andrew Luck got paid($28m) in 2016 every big QB signing has been $30m plus. Russell Wilson is getting close to $37m a year. Mahomes will get $40m a plus. Flacco got $25m in 2012 and we all lost our minds. $25m is cheap now. Pay Dak now and let the market make it a bargain 3 or 4 years down the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think Dak had one pretty good year and the Cowboys jumped the gun. They should've either handled Romo better, or gone out and signed a veteran free agent to groom him. Instead they got aboard the hype train. That's not to say he won't still eventually pan out, but the front office is gonna have give him some better weapons. Dak's not a Brady, Rodgers, Wilson or Mahomes type. He's not someone who can overcompensate for mediocre talent. He's more like Rivers, Newton, or Roethlisberger in that he can only really excel with the right supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Stoney said: Since Andrew Luck got paid($28m) in 2016 every big QB signing has been $30m plus. Russell Wilson is getting close to $37m a year. Mahomes will get $40m a plus. Flacco got $25m in 2012 and we all lost our minds. $25m is cheap now. Pay Dak now and let the market make it a bargain 3 or 4 years down the road. Dak is not in the same talent pool as Luck, Mahomes, Wilson and a few others ... I could see them giving him 20-25 but he isn't in the same league as the top tier QBs in my opinion ... they would be way overpaying him at 30 million a year ... he's just not THAT good ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 10 hours ago, KirtFalcon said: Jerruh will overpay for Prescott, no doubt ... Dak is better than average, but not 30 million a year good ... 20 million would be generous ... That's true, but starting quarterbacks with similar stats draw $25 million. I'd wait until the end of the season to pay him. I just don't want to see Zeke go. He's the main reason the Cowboys have made the two post season appearances the past three years. I can't rank how I see the Quarterbacks at this time, many of the top quarterbacks are aging, and their stats should fall off a cliff soon. Patrick Mahomes stats are going to come down with the loss of two of his best supporting cast due to stupidity. Baker Mayfield should be better this year having gained some NFL experience. Trubisky is developing into a better quarterback than most thought. Goff has the weapons to have great stats. There are too many intangibles out there though for me to rank them. I would put Dak in the middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 8 hours ago, AKA said: I think Dak had one pretty good year and the Cowboys jumped the gun. They should've either handled Romo better, or gone out and signed a veteran free agent to groom him. Instead they got aboard the hype train. That's not to say he won't still eventually pan out, but the front office is gonna have give him some better weapons. Dak's not a Brady, Rodgers, Wilson or Mahomes type. He's not someone who can overcompensate for mediocre talent. He's more like Rivers, Newton, or Roethlisberger in that he can only really excel with the right supporting cast. Dak had a great rookie season and showed he could start in the NFL. I was impressed with his rookie season. He dropped off his sophomore season, but rebounded last year once Amari Cooper was traded for. I want to see how he and Amari perform next year, and then move forward. If Dak, Zeke, and Amari have a triplet like season next year, I'd want to pay them all, but who would we lose on defense. I've heard Jaylon Smith and Byron Jones both of them have developed nicely, and I would hate to see them on another team. Jerry and Stephen are going to have to be creative to keep this team intact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/28/cowboys-2019-manifesto-how-they-afford-to-re-sign-everyone-sign-free-agents/ One of the best articles that I could find all offseason about how Dallas can sign their core (big money deals) and still be able to add key pieces when needed for a three year run at a Super Bowl. The highlights: Re-sign Dak Prescott Re-Sign Amari Cooper Hold off on Zeke’s Deal until 2021 Re-sign Tank Lawrence (Done) Franchise Tag Byron Jones for 2020 Cut/don’t re-sign- Sean Lee, La’el Collins, Tyrone Crawford all after this season. That’s $23.9m in Cap Room. Cut Hurns, don’t bring back Anthony Brown add a extra $8m and there’s almost $32m in Cap Room to add free agents and you’ve paid Dak, Amari, Tank and are set up to pay Zeke and Byron later. You still have a young nucleus of cheap talent surrounding them. For a 3 year window, Dallas fans could experience something we haven’t in almost 25 years: a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I remember when people said Luck was trash....now he is in errbody top 5 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 Brees 2 Mahomes 3 Brady 4 Roethlisberger 5 Rodgers 6 Rivers 7 Wilson 8 Stafford 9 Ryan 10 Foles 11 Watson 12 Wentz 13 Flacco 14 Dalton 15Prescott 16 Murray 17 Marriotta 18 Rosen 19 Trubisky 20 Goff 21 Mayfield 22 Carr 23-32 Newton and the rest. Let's face it, if you reach below pick #20 your season is gonna be about building on anything you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Hayseed said: 1 Brees 2 Mahomes 3 Brady 4 Roethlisberger 5 Rodgers 6 Rivers 7 Wilson 8 Stafford 9 Ryan 10 Foles 11 Watson 11 Wentz 11 Flacco 12 Dalton 13 Prescott 14 Murray 15 Marriotta 16 Rosen 17 Trubisky 18 Goff 19 Mayfield 20 Carr 21-32 Newton and the rest. Let's face it, if you reach below pick #20 your season is gonna be about building on anything you can get. Where do you have Luck, 22 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 14 hours ago, cotton84 said: Where do you have Luck, 22 ? Actually Luck, Carr and Newton could be considered tied for spots 23-25 on my list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Hayseed said: 1 Brees 2 Mahomes 3 Brady 4 Roethlisberger 5 Rodgers 6 Rivers 7 Wilson 8 Stafford 9 Ryan 10 Foles 11 Watson 11 Wentz 11 Flacco 12 Dalton 13 Prescott 14 Murray 15 Marriotta 16 Rosen 17 Trubisky 18 Goff 19 Mayfield 20 Carr 21-32 Newton and the rest. Let's face it, if you reach below pick #20 your season is gonna be about building on anything you can get. If $30m is the going rate for a QB, how many of those QBs would you feel comfortable about giving that type of money to? If $30m was the floor for a playoff caliber, potential Super Bowl winning QB, with or without help around him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 He he. Went back and did an edit on my list. I had 3 number 11's listed! As long as this money is hypothetical, I could cover up to # 12 for 30M Stoney! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 9:00 PM, Stoney said: https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/28/cowboys-2019-manifesto-how-they-afford-to-re-sign-everyone-sign-free-agents/ One of the best articles that I could find all offseason about how Dallas can sign their core (big money deals) and still be able to add key pieces when needed for a three year run at a Super Bowl. The highlights: Hold off on Zeke’s Deal until 2021 The way running backs ebb and flow with injuries, Elliott might not even be around in 2021 or he could be about used up by them. I can see the deferred money for the other position players, but that's a big risk for a player like Elliott to wait that long for any "big money" .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said: The way running backs ebb and flow with injuries, Elliott might not even be around in 2021 or he could be about used up by them. I can see the deferred money for the other position players, but that's a big risk for a player like Elliott to wait that long for any "big money" .... I’m worried that Goodell is gonna hammer for Vegas. That and the fact of diminishing returns on running backs I’m not sold on extending Zeke before his rookie deal is up. Especially if this Pollard kid turns out be anything even close to the Kamara comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Stoney said: I’m worried that Goodell is gonna hammer for Vegas. That and the fact of diminishing returns on running backs I’m not sold on extending Zeke before his rookie deal is up. Especially if this Pollard kid turns out be anything even close to the Kamara comparison. I can't believe Elliott and his agent would go along with this unless he gets a huge up front signing bonus ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomer Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I got Dak and Mahomes 1-2 , Rodgers -Rothlisbereger 3-4 Brees 5, then Brady, 6 , Manning and Ryan 7-8, then Wentz n Wilson rounds out the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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