Jerryhawk111 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 What are some programs that aren’t as good as people think? Maybe some who have fallen off of what they once were but their fan base hasn’t come to turns with reality.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playactionpass39 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This Topic could ruffle some feathers. Where is my pop corn....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playactionpass39 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Greezychef said: Longview LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumospud Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 DALLAS COWBOYS XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO SPUD 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Greezychef said: Longview 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This will probably ruffle some feathers....and it's not intended to....but let's go. My top two... 1) Lufkin...two trips past the second round in the last 13 years. One trip past the third round in those same 13 years. They went from a State Championship team, with trips to the Semi Finals in 3 of 4 years, and have completely fallen off from that expectations since their last trip to the Semis in 2005, despite three years in a lower classification. 18-4 in the playoffs from 2001 to 2005. 7-13 in the post season since (06 to 18). I think their fan base recognizes it, but last season was really made for them to get to the big one, and they weren't able to do it. 2) Marshall...back to back trip to the State Finals in 2004 and 2005. Since, it's been a lot of regular season success (obviously some of those years were some of the worst in program history as well). But they still haven't made it back to even the State Quarterfinals since, despite a lot of hype more recently (and a ton of hype again this season). 8-2 in those 2 playoff years. Since (06 to 18), 8-10 in the post season, with just three trips past the second round...all ending in losses in round 3. Have they had some close calls in the post season (more so the last two seasons in their losses), sure. But with all the hype that the fan base has been excited about, they haven't been able to punch it to the next level. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 As far as football is concerned, Argyle. Not overrated at anything else, but definitely in football. Ranked #1 every year. Only finished 1st once. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6922 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Arp West Rusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, LoboFan07 said: Yea, definitely not Longview. If anything Longview overachieves a lot of years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I don’t know if overrated is the correct term, but Lufkin and JT when they are playing in 5a for sure underachieve IMO. Look at the years Longview moves down. Played historic LT teams in the finals 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboFan07 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I wouldn’t call Cujo overrated. They just can’t get over the final step. They’ve dominated most of the competition. Have they had disappointing years? Sure. But getting to the Quarters/Semis has been a regular occurrence for the blue and white the last decade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillonpanthers Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Agree, with Lufkin when they are 5a. Texas High in the last 10-12 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillonpanthers Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, BulldogBacker12 said: As far as football is concerned, Argyle. Not overrated at anything else, but definitely in football. Ranked #1 every year. Only finished 1st once. Arglye is 141-17 in the past 10 years. And only been playing fooball since 2002. I'm not a big fan of Argyle and get what you're saying about being ranked 1st several times and only winning once, but can't really say they are overrated. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, dillonpanthers said: Arglye is 141-17 in the past 10 years. And only been playing fooball since 2002. I'm not a big fan of Argyle and get what you're saying about being ranked 1st several times and only winning once, but can't really say they are overrated. Depends on your definition of overrated I guess. Maybe overrated is not the right term to describe Argyle. They schedule some tough games for sure, but a lot of those wins are over bad teams in a bad district (most years). They are also in R1 a lot of years, and if you know 4a (old 3a) ball then you know what I mean about R1. Awesome program. But they are supposed to be unbeatable every year, ranked #1, and have their best team ever. And they always get beat. But it’s just an opinion for sure. Can easily see what you are saying too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoakyBandito Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, LoboFan07 said: I wouldn’t call Cujo overrated. They just can’t get over the final step. They’ve dominated most of the competition. Have they had disappointing years? Sure. But getting to the Quarters/Semis has been a regular occurrence for the blue and white the last decade. Yea that’s what I meant. Not sure overrated is the right word. I guess it’s basically my same point on Argyle. Maybe overrated is not the right term. Maybe underachieve? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillonpanthers Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Yeah, I can agree with what you're saying for both Argyle and John Tyler. Just a difference in the wording, but think we are agreeing on the same thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, BulldogBacker12 said: Yea that’s what I meant. Not sure overrated is the right word. I guess it’s basically my same point on Argyle. Maybe overrated is not the right term. Maybe underachieve? How about most disappointing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, LoboFan07 said: One season doesn’t change a decade of over-inflated expectations. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillonpanthers Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Valhalla said: One season doesn’t change a decade of over-inflated expectations. I think what you're saying about Longview is similar to what bulldogbacker was saying about Argyle. More disappointing than overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav01 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 The only difference between last seasons Longview and other seasons imo is Qb play. Longview has been elite qb play away from a title several years. Thats how you beat them as well. You must have a dang good qb and balanced running game. And able to load the box to slow down their rbs without fear of an accurate passer behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Valhalla said: One season doesn’t change a decade of over-inflated expectations. One season? Since 2004, 168-36 (84-6), 13 district titles, 3 state appearances, 1 ship, 2 semifinal appearances, 2 quarterfinal appearances.. all of this in the 5A/6A class as a non-suburban school mind you. How is that overrated? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, mav01 said: The only difference between last seasons Longview and other seasons imo is Qb play. That was a big part of it, but lets not forget the amazing special teams Longview had and that "it" factor on defense in Jephaniah Lister who owns Longview's career tackling record. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, ANTI said: One season? Since 2004, 168-36 (84-6), 13 district titles, 3 state appearances, 1 ship, 2 semifinal appearances, 2 quarterfinal appearances.. all of this in the 5A/6A class as a non-suburban school mind you. How is that overrated? 13 minutes ago, dillonpanthers said: I think what you're saying about Longview is similar to what bulldogbacker was saying about Argyle. More disappointing than overrated Longview’s fan base has expected State Championships even when it wasn’t realistic. Tha’s what I’m talking about. I’m not a Longview hater. Their expectations just weren’t real sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoboFan07 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, Valhalla said: One season doesn’t change a decade of over-inflated expectations. Wins in the last 2 decades (in East Texas from 6A to 4A)...2000 to 2018 Gilmer - 213 Longview - 195 Carthage - 184 Lufkin - 181 Kilgore & Texas High - 157 Jasper - 150 Van - 147 John Tyler - 144 Liberty-Eylau - 135 Henderson - 130 Pleasant Grove & Sulphur Springs - 123 Caddo Mills & Marshall - 121 Canton - 120 Paris - 114 Lindale - 111 Whitehouse - 110 Fairfield & Tyler Lee - 109 Pittsburg - 108 Chapel Hill - 106 Wills Point - 105 Palestine - 101 Hallsville & Rusk & Spring Hill - 97 North Lamar - 95 Jacksonville - 90 Center - 89 Brownsboro - 85 Athens - 78 Bullard - 74 Mount Pleasant - 71 Nacogdoches - 69 Pine Tree - 53 Mabank - 46 Huntington - 22 Only 3 programs have reached 90 or more wins in a decade the last two decades in 6A and 5A in East Texas.. - Lufkin 108 (2000-2009) - Texas High 93 (2000-2009) And you guessed it...Longview...twice. - 97 (2000-2009) - 98 (2010-2018) (And just to throw it in for 4A, only Gilmer and Carthage have reached over 90 wins in a decade on that level as well. Gilmer with 112 in 2000-2009 and in 2010-2018 with 101. Carthage with 108 in 2010-2018). (Note: John Tyler should reach the 90 wins or more in a decade mark this season as they sit at 89 from 2010 to 2018) You can say Longview has underachieved some if you wanted...but we're the only program in the area, other than Gilmer, that has averaged 10 wins over the last 20 seasons, and we will reach that point again this year unless something horrendous occurs. We've lost some playoff games we should've won. Every program does. And yes, we didn't bring home the final prize until last season. But Longview is anything but overrated, especially among East Texas schools. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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