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Firearms Poll  

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  1. 1. Do you support Universal Background Checks for all gun sales and transfers?

  2. 2. Do you support expanded screening for prohibited buyers to include persons with violent mental health history?

  3. 3. Do you support reinstating the 1994 assault weapons ban?



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Any parent that allows a gun into the hands of their murderous child needs to be held accountable.  

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1 minute ago, ScreamingEagle said:

I think we should let all students carry in school because, you know, Murica. 

I wonder which you hate more God or country?

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Guns do not kill people. people do. What we need is to enforce some of the laws that are already on the book. if you break the law then you pay and do not just get a slap on the wrist. Did he not have any adult supervision. There are a lot of things that need to be looked at and improve.

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I have a very serious question? Have any of these mass shootings been at a private school? Might be an argument for sending your child or children to a private school?

 

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The mother,  that allowed her kid to keep an ar15 in his room, is already facing charges. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Greezychef said:

The mother,  that allowed her kid to keep an ar15 in his room, is already facing charges. 

I had a shotgun and a coupe of rifles in my room growing up as a teenager, so did my sons ... we never shot anybody.  It's not the guns, it's the lack of parental involvement, education and poor upbringing ....

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44 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said:

I had a shotgun and a coupe of rifles in my room growing up as a teenager, so did my sons ... we never shot anybody.  It's not the guns, it's the lack of parental involvement, education and poor upbringing ....

i AGREE!!!

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47 minutes ago, ScreamingEagle said:

Where are you getting your info cause his adopted mother died over 3 months ago?

From what I read earlier (It was an article on yahoo), the mother died from pneumonia in November, and his dad died from a heart attack awhile back. He was living with a friend's family, who knew he had guns, but told him to "Keep them locked up in a cabinet." He had the key. Obviously a really troubled kid. Got expelled for beating up his ex's new bf and was abusive to her. Got caught with shotgun shells in his backpack and wasn't allowed to bring a backpack to school.

 

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We have got to start taking mental health more seriously. This kid was crazy from what I read. He commented on a YouTube video saying "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." The FBI knew about that. Even his friends joked that if anyone was to shoot up a school, it would be him. Kids have to realize that sometimes being a snitch isn't a bad thing. If someone shows signs of crazy or being unstable, tell someone. if you're not sure, still tell someone. Better safe than sorry.

As far as the gun convo goes, this kid bought it legally. Which doesn't make sense to me. Idk if we need to make it harder for people or really start looking at background checks harder. I have no idea. But in my personal opinion, the gun is a tool, the mental health is the source. I have 0 solutions to this. Taking guns away would be stupid, but I don't think it would be a bad thing making it more difficult for some individuals.

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15 hours ago, trueblue82 said:

I agree. Gun-free school zones need to be a thing of the past. Make government grants available for school districts to hire military vets as campus security. That’s about the best use of federal tax dollars in public education I can think of. 

I think you’re on the right track

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33 minutes ago, ETXfan16 said:

We have got to start taking mental health more seriously. This kid was crazy from what I read. He commented on a YouTube video saying "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." The FBI knew about that. Even his friends joked that if anyone was to shoot up a school, it would be him. Kids have to realize that sometimes being a snitch isn't a bad thing. If someone shows signs of crazy or being unstable, tell someone. if you're not sure, still tell someone. Better safe than sorry.

As far as the gun convo goes, this kid bought it legally. Which doesn't make sense to me. Idk if we need to make it harder for people or really start looking at background checks harder. I have no idea. But in my personal opinion, the gun is a tool, the mental health is the source. I have 0 solutions to this. Taking guns away would be stupid, but I don't think it would be a bad thing making it more difficult for some individuals.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!

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9 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said:

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!

Felons, as far as I know, cannot legally own guns. They can't vote, either, in some states.

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5 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

Felons, as far as I know, cannot legally own guns. They can't vote, either, in some states.

How is that relevant to this discussion???? Making it "more difficult" for legal, law abiding citizens to purchase guns is an infringement BY DEFINITION........again.....the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.........

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18 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said:

How is that relevant to this discussion???? Making it "more difficult" for legal, law abiding citizens to purchase guns is an infringement BY DEFINITION........again.....the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.........

Oh, I agree. But most people aren't criminals -- until they are. We don't live by "shall not be infringed", because Congress, the courts, etc. have determined that certain people (i.e. felons) cannot legally own guns. But to your point about legal, law abiding citizens, no argument.

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23 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said:

How is that relevant to this discussion???? Making it "more difficult" for legal, law abiding citizens to purchase guns is an infringement BY DEFINITION........again.....the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.........

I meant making it more difficult/not allowing individuals like this kid to own a gun. He was expelled from school, and showed a history of violence and being troubled. Even the FBI knew about that. 

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Without violating HIPAA laws, I would like to see a way that Psychologists/Psychiatrists can deem violent mentally ill patients incapable of purchasing a gun legally... Reports are that he had "countless" magazines on him... what made him stop?

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There is a sickness in our society. Pray for the victims and those that care for them...and also for the shooter.

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8 minutes ago, EnjoyLife said:

There is a sickness in our society. 

Really thought you were talking about ScreamingEagle

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The FBI knew about the kid, the government knew about the Southerland Springs church shooter, so apparently screaming eagle's opinions about guns do not keep anybody safe, but does give him a false feeling of  morally superiority.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27175/report-fbi-was-warned-september-about-florida-james-barrett

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53 minutes ago, ETXfan16 said:

I meant making it more difficult/not allowing individuals like this kid to own a gun. He was expelled from school, and showed a history of violence and being troubled. Even the FBI knew about that. 

If anybody is to blame, it's the FBI for not taking action against people like this who have made these kinds of statements publically. What are they waiting for?  The knew he was a ticking time-bomb that might explode at any moment.  Gun control is not the answer ... mental health control is the answer ...

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4 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said:

If anybody is to blame, it's the FBI for not taking action against people like this who have made these kinds of statements publically. What are they waiting for?  The knew he was a ticking time-bomb that might explode at any moment.  Gun control is not the answer ... mental health control is the answer ...

While I generally agree with your premise, Kirt, the problem there is that there are individuals (and I've seen this argument made) who say that if you want a gun, you have a mental illness, and therefore should not have one.

Legislation there would have to be carefully defined.

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2 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

While I generally agree with your premise, Kirt, the problem there is that there are individuals (and I've seen this argument made) who say that if you want a gun, you have a mental illness, and therefore should not have one.

Legislation there would have to be carefully defined.

That's a false argument, people with THAT mindset have a mental illness ....

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15 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said:

That's a false argument, people with THAT mindset have a mental illness ....

Oh, I understand that, but people make and listen to informal logical fallacies all the time.

But again, I could see certain people trying to broadly define "mental illness". I mean, I could see people listing things like "anger issues" being classified as a "mental illness".

Wait until people try to classify conservative thought or belief in God as a mental illness (I think there are already people who believe the 2nd)...

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1 hour ago, ScreamingEagle said:

Exactly, all students should be carrying guns. That will cut down on crazy people shooting others ūüôĄ

MAYBE NOT PUTTING KIDS ON DRUGS WOULD HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
Every single mass shooter over the past 20 years has been committed by someone on a narrow band of antidepressants, and yet we get barely a peep about this from the mainstream media.

Bullets-Pills-Antidepressants-1.pngIt makes sense for someone who is anti-gun to ignore the connection between antidepressants and mass shootings.  From a purely tactical perspective, mass shootings are a big win for the anti-gun lobby, with each shooting causing a litany of anti-gun articles in every major news outlet (save Fox News) in the country.  The gun rights lobby may have logic and reason on their side, but logic and reason mean very little in the wake of seventeen dead school children, and a gun ban hits all the right emotional buttons, 

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7 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

Oh, I understand that, but people make and listen to informal logical fallacies all the time.

But again, I could see certain people trying to broadly define "mental illness". I mean, I could see people listing things like "anger issues" being classified as a "mental illness".

Wait until people try to classify conservative thought or belief in God as a mental illness (I think there are already people who believe the 2nd)...

That's what that ignorant lady on "the view", Joey Blowhard, or something said about VP Pence recently ...

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