⚔️ SECEDE ⚔️

[Fivehead]

The reasons for my post and my thoughts about secession have absolutely nothing to do with BHO or McCain or any individual winning any office. Also, if you will notice, I'm not threatening to go anywhere.

 

The United States, as a whole, has gotten so far off track and so far from the original intent of the founding fathers that it more closely resembles the old Soviet Union than it does the America I grew up in. I am forced, by law, to wear a seatbelt in my own vehicle which is MY property. If I want to even DEPOSIT a large amount of cash in my OWN bank account, federal law requires me to present identification (in the name of the failed"War on Drugs"). People who smoke are persecuted by the government like they are criminals. Our own children are encouraged to "turn Mommy and Daddy in" to the authorities if they see their parents with drugs. We are teetering on the brink of socialized medicine and, I fear, nationalized oil companies.

 

Texas is a great and wonderful place to live. Our state did not enact the 55 mph speed limit until threatened by the Federal government with withholding fedral highway funds. We did not enact open container laws or seatbelt laws until threatened in the same manner. We do our best to be independent and maintain our indiidual identity. BUT.........

 

I fear that Texas, even though we are far more conservative and far more independent than most states, is being slowly poisoned by this creeping Socialist menace. Montana has already made it clear that if the activist Supreme Court bastardizes the second amendment, they are leaving. I say let's get organized and get out before it's too late.

[delap]

Don't worry Fivehead, I didn't tell Grandpa that you've been smokin' the reefer.....

[TheShadowKnows]

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The reasons for my post and my thoughts about secession have absolutely nothing to do with BHO or McCain or any individual winning any office. Also, if you will notice, I'm not threatening to go anywhere.

 

The United States, as a whole, has gotten so far off track and so far from the original intent of the founding fathers that it more closely resembles the old Soviet Union than it does the America I grew up in. I am forced, by law, to wear a seatbelt in my own vehicle which is MY property. If I want to even DEPOSIT a large amount of cash in my OWN bank account, federal law requires me to present identification (in the name of the failed"War on Drugs"). People who smoke are persecuted by the government like they are criminals. Our own children are encouraged to "turn Mommy and Daddy in" to the authorities if they see their parents with drugs. We are teetering on the brink of socialized medicine and, I fear, nationalized oil companies.

 

Texas is a great and wonderful place to live. Our state did not enact the 55 mph speed limit until threatened by the Federal government with withholding fedral highway funds. We did not enact open container laws or seatbelt laws until threatened in the same manner. We do our best to be independent and maintain our indiidual identity. BUT.........

 

I fear that Texas, even though we are far more conservative and far more independent than most states, is being slowly poisoned by this creeping Socialist menace. Montana has already made it clear that if the activist Supreme Court bastardizes the second amendment, they are leaving. I say let's get organized and get out before it's too late.

 

Agreed

[BluePirate]

This is an interesting discussion. Would major companies leave or flock to an independent Texas? Would we be able to get our Texans serving in the military out of their obligation so that if they chose to they could serve Texas?

[Guest bleeds]

This is an interesting discussion. Would major companies leave or flock to an independent Texas? Would we be able to get our Texans serving in the military out of their obligation so that if they chose to they could serve Texas?

 

 

I don't believe major companies would flock to Texas, they would fly, on the fastest jet they could get. Why wouldn't they? We would be free from all of the government regulations of our federal government.

 

As far as the obligation to the military, that would be tough. Texas supplies a ton of personnel to our armed forces. To immediately lose that would place the US in a precarious position. Since I am assuming we would want to maintain amicable relations with the US, I'm thinking they come home after their obligation ends, with the understanding the US would provide military protection to the Republic of Texas until that time. Kind of a "We'll let you keep out soldiers if you'll help provide protection to us 'til we can get them home."

 

I also believe there would be an explosion of enlistments in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Texas.

[Seminole44]

I also believe there would be an explosion of enlistments in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Texas.

 

Sign me up and assign me to border patrol!

 

[cheaptrick77]

It seems to me that there is more honor in fighting for a better American instead of cutting and running because America doesnt fit one's idea of a utopian society .......... :hmm:

 

USA > Texas

[Guest bleeds]

It seems to me that there is more honor in fighting for a better American instead of cutting and running because America doesnt fit one's idea of a utopian society .......... :hmm:

 

USA > Texas

 

 

You may be right. But when we the people have lost their voice because the people we elect sell out to special interest groups, then an alternative must be considered.

 

What would be your best recommendation in terms of methods of "fighting for a better America"? We can't revolt, although Jefferson said a bloody rebellion every now and then was a good thing.

 

The confiscatory tax system we are subject to shows no promise of becoming bearable. There is only politics in DC, not representation. Fraud, division, under the table deals have replaced the group of people we elected actually running our government.

 

 

[cheaptrick77]

when we the people have lost their voice because the people we elect sell out to special interest groups, then an alternative must be considered.

 

We have no one but ourselves to blame...

 

What would be your best recommendation in terms of methods of "fighting for a better America"?

 

We can start by stop trying to out-gotcha each other ... use the energy used to copy + paste demonizing internet commentaries, searching for out-of-context YouTube clips & photoshop overkill for TRUE SOCIAL DISCOURSE.

 

We all need to get off our LAZY American Idol- Ultimate Fighting - National Football League - Baseball - TCM movie-watching butts (I'm guity, too) & be TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS .......... dissolve the current government & start a new one (isn't that our duty as citizens?)

 

 

Then again, this is not my area of specialty :whome:

[Lhornfan]

You may be right. But when we the people have lost their voice because the people we elect sell out to special interest groups, then an alternative must be considered.

 

What would be your best recommendation in terms of methods of "fighting for a better America"? We can't revolt, although Jefferson said a bloody rebellion every now and then was a good thing.

 

The confiscatory tax system we are subject to shows no promise of becoming bearable. There is only politics in DC, not representation. Fraud, division, under the table deals have replaced the group of people we elected actually running our government.

Good point. When the odds are stacked against us this bad, the best plan might be to "take our ball and go home."

[Guest bleeds]

No, you make valid points. But regardless who is to blame, we the people aren't going to do what you have said. America has become apathetic and/or too focused on the microcosm that immediately surrounds us to look at the big picture. We are no longer a nation of collective ideals, but small groups of very vocal, very letigious citizens. When a new Congressman goes to Washington on promises to cut pork and get past partisan politics, he/she is ostricized and marginalized for his/her efforts, until the point he/she joins the good ol' boys club and begins to play by their rules.

 

So, by seceding, we would be, in effect creating a new government.

 

"Cutting and running" generally connotes leaving not long after you got there. Can't say that about Texas. We have done more than our share to help this country. We've been a state for 163 years (this December).

 

This is all well and good. But it is rhetoric, nonetheless. Texans will never go for it. We will continue to be subject to the ever-growing socialist government that runs our country until we have lost all our identity and all our freedoms.

[OBTS]

Ya'll keep talking about how to organize this deal, and some Homeland Security agent is going to read it, subpoena Smoaky for your registration info, and you'll be leading your revolt from Guantanamo!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Be careful...Big Brother is Watching!!!!

[1stSuperScot]

Governments are created by the people to help safeguard certain rights, because small disorganized groups of people can't do it on their own. The government takes all of its authority from the people; it exists to serve them, and not the other way around.

 

Sometimes, a political system that has been in use for a long time becomes un-workable. When this happens, the people who want to change the order of things need to stand up and air their grievances.

 

If a government no longer ensures the people of their rights, it has ceased to serve its true function and must be overthrown by the people. In its place, a new or altered system of government should be established that seems more likely to safeguard the most important human rights - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness .

 

Governments shouldn't be overthrown for trivial reasons. People can endure reasonable amounts of suffering, and indeed sometimes may wait too long to do anything about it.

 

But anyone held down for a long time must eventually get up. When people are wronged time and again by the government, and that government is clearly seen as contrary to the interests of the people, it is the right and duty to throw off this government and provide new safeguards for their future security.

 

 

 

[Fivehead]

It seems to me that there is more honor in fighting for a better American instead of cutting and running because America doesnt fit one's idea of a utopian society .......... :hmm:

 

USA > Texas

 

I once heard a wise old basketball coach asked "Whats the most important thing to know about coaching"? His reply? "You have to know when to leave." Well, it's time to leave.

 

I think that the USA is headed toward full-blown socialism like an out of control freight train. It's all well and good to talk about "fighting for a better America", but the vast majority of the population are too lazy to dislodge their fat #### from the couch to change channels on their TV without a remote. How can they be expected to actually foster change in our system of government? If they do accidentally happen to wander in and vote, they are so woefully ignorant of the cadidates and issues that it would probably be better if they just stayed home. Government schools are churning out "graduates" who are growing exponentially more stupid with each passing year. Welfare leeches #### up government money like a sponge and vote Democrat because the Democrats promise to keep the cash flowing. At least 45 of the states of this country are taking in more federal money than they produce. Guess who's paying to keep them afloat?

 

We need a smaller system to work with. We need a system that is still largely conservative. We need land with abundant natural resources, including oil, gas, water and plenty of room for agriculture. We need people who are still proud of their state and proud of themselves. We need people who get up and go to work and pay their bills and don't expect something for nothing. We need an independent Texas, and we need it now.

 

 

 

[ed3]

You may be right. But when we the people have lost their voice because the people we elect sell out to special interest groups, then an alternative must be considered.

 

Bleeds you got my vote,whos your VP? When all our jobs are gone then everyone will be on board. Southern by birth TEXAN by the grace of God.

 

 

 

[BluePirate]

What/Who whould make this happen?

[Guest bleeds]

Bleeds you got my vote,whos your VP? When all our jobs are gone then everyone will be on board. Southern by birth TEXAN by the grace of God.

 

 

What better place to announce my candidacy for the President of the Republic of Texas than here in the political forum on the SDC?

 

 

[1stSuperScot]

What better place to announce my candidacy for the President of the Republic of Texas than here in the political forum on the SDC?

 

Before you start packing, the Executive's mansion is going to need some major repairs after this weekends fire. (Arson is suspected!)

 

[Guest bleeds]

Before you start packing, the Executive's mansion is going to need some major repairs after this weekends fire. (Arson is suspected!)

 

 

Why would a President live in a governor's house?

 

This Republic will have it's own Presidential digs, to which might I add, Gov. Goodhair will not be invited.

[ed3]

Why would a President live in a governor's house?

 

This Republic will have it's own Presidential digs, to which might I add, Gov. Goodhair will not be invited.

 

 

Will it be a doublewide

[Guest bleeds]

It would be something worthy of a head of state, without being too austentatious.

[TheShadowKnows]

It would be something worthy of a head of state, without being too austentatious.

 

 

austentatious. :happy65: Wow that is impressive.

 

 

 

 

[delap]

Will it be a doublewide

 

 

You'd have to fix it up a little.......and paint it, but I think it'd work:

 

[applebutter]

Isn't that the Arkansas Governor's Mansion?

 

[RETIREDFAN1]

I thought it was Clinton's Presidential library...... :w00t: