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I'm enthralled with the constant talk that Alabama or Georgia should still be in the top 4 (aka the College Football Playoff) when we have undefeated teams. This is what I freaking think...without the blue blood bias...I do think and hope Texas wins out and creeps back near #12 or even 10 since we are one of their pet schools.

1. LSU 9-0

2. Ohio State 9-0

3. Clemson 10-0

4. Minnesota 9-0

5. Baylor 9-0

6. Oregon 8-1

7. Alabama 8-1

8. Georgia 8-1

9. Oklahoma 8-1

10. Penn State 8-1

11. Auburn 7-2

12. Michigan 7-2

 

 

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that's the mentality though (looking into the future - comparing teams that haven't played, etc)...that we're being told isn't happening. we're being told that they are looking at what's happened on the field, comparing resumes (Minn has the tougher strength of schedule & all that stuff is better, plus undefeated)...despite the early season lulls where they barely snuck by teams that even I and others would perceive as yuck, weak...a win's a win and they are without a loss. I am just stating a fact...that I feel the committee is acting like they are using, but then as they put Alabama in, like you...they say..."well the Tide would whoop them Gophers by 21 points there and Tua wouldn't even play the 2nd half...", so they're our #4 no matter how many losses they rack up.

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Let's play a game...without looking up the info...rank these teams

 

Team A-SOS: 70 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.9

Team B-SOS: 13 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 24.4

Team C-SOS: 58 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.3

Team D-SOS: 71 Record: (10-0) Scoring Margin: 33.8

Team E-SOS: 34 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 42.4

Team F-SOS: 41 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.4

Team G-SOS: 30 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 21.2

Team H-SOS: 52 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 20.8

Team I-SOS: 47 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.6

Team J-SOS: 23 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.2

Team K-SOS: 54 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.3

Team L-SOS: 64 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 11.7

Team M-SOS: 69 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 13.4

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, TxFight said:

Let's play a game...without looking up the info...rank these teams

 

Team A-SOS: 70 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.9

Team B-SOS: 13 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 24.4

Team C-SOS: 58 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.3

Team D-SOS: 71 Record: (10-0) Scoring Margin: 33.8

Team E-SOS: 34 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 42.4

Team F-SOS: 41 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.4

Team G-SOS: 30 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 21.2

Team H-SOS: 52 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 20.8

Team I-SOS: 47 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.6

Team J-SOS: 23 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.2

Team K-SOS: 54 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.3

Team L-SOS: 64 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 11.7

Team M-SOS: 69 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 13.4

 

 

 

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Again, this is all settled by one question. Do you want the 4 best football teams or the 4 most deserving football teams. 

Bama is IMO hands down one of the 4 best teams in the country. Especially with a healthy Tua. But they are not one of the 4 most deserving (big wins, sos, conference champs etc.) 

 

i personally lean on the side of the 4 best teams. So my top 10 looks like this. 

1. Lsu

2. Ohio st

3. Clemson 

4. Bama

5. Georgia 

6. Minnesota 

7. Penn st 

8. Ou

9. Baylor 

10. Oregon 

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1 hour ago, TxFight said:

Let's play a game...without looking up the info...rank these teams

 

Team A-SOS: 70 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.9

Team B-SOS: 13 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 24.4

Team C-SOS: 58 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 16.3

Team D-SOS: 71 Record: (10-0) Scoring Margin: 33.8

Team E-SOS: 34 Record: (9-0) Scoring Margin: 42.4

Team F-SOS: 41 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.4

Team G-SOS: 30 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 21.2

Team H-SOS: 52 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 20.8

Team I-SOS: 47 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.6

Team J-SOS: 23 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.2

Team K-SOS: 54 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 19.3

Team L-SOS: 64 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 11.7

Team M-SOS: 69 Record: (8-1) Scoring Margin: 13.4

 

 

 

The hard part about doing this is that sos and scoring margin can be deceiving. Where they road games or home games. Where they dominated throughout with a couple of late trash touchdowns or where they close games? You can’t pick teams without watching the games. The eyeball test is still important imo. 

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7 minutes ago, WETSU said:

Again, this is all settled by one question. Do you want the 4 best football teams or the 4 most deserving football teams. 

Bama is IMO hands down one of the 4 best teams in the country. Especially with a healthy Tua. But they are not one of the 4 most deserving (big wins, sos, conference champs etc.) 

 

i personally lean on the side of the 4 best teams. So my top 10 looks like this. 

1. Lsu

2. Ohio st

3. Clemson 

4. Bama

5. Georgia 

6. Minnesota 

7. Penn st 

8. Ou

9. Baylor 

10. Oregon 

still looking ahead and giving the SEC tons of extra respect and credit...if they played blah blah blah...Alabama lost their lone tough game and probably will lose to Auburn this year.

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55 minutes ago, WETSU said:

Again, this is all settled by one question. Do you want the 4 best football teams or the 4 most deserving football teams. 

Bama is IMO hands down one of the 4 best teams in the country. Especially with a healthy Tua. But they are not one of the 4 most deserving (big wins, sos, conference champs etc.) 

 

i personally lean on the side of the 4 best teams. So my top 10 looks like this. 

1. Lsu

2. Ohio st

3. Clemson 

4. Bama

5. Georgia 

6. Minnesota 

7. Penn st 

8. Ou

9. Baylor 

10. Oregon 

But how is that determined? As you said yourself, Bama is one of the 4 best teams, in your 'opinion'. 

 

And by the way, my Top 4 is exactly the same as yours (only I have Clemson 2, Ohio State 3...not that it matters, 2 & 3 play anyway). Why, because it's my opinion that those are the 4 best teams. But who is to say that Minnesota wouldn't beat Bama? Do I think they would, no. But I didn't expect them to beat Penn State either. You think Georgia is the 5th best team. I personally think OU would beat them handily. Same with Baylor, you think they are one of the 10 best teams. I think there are at least 15 teams better than Baylor. They've won 5 of their games by a combined 22 points. And only 1 of those teams has a winning record. 

 

Point is, it's not logically possible to 'choose' the 4 best teams, and then claim they are the 4 best with certainty. Everyone thought Georgia was one of the 4 best teams last year. Yet, they finished with 3 losses. 

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55 minutes ago, CoachPelvisPresley said:

again the College Playoff is actually the College Popularity Blue Blood Playoff System --> needs to be it's own level nearly

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more uneducated or crybaby approach to selecting the playoff than what you’re doing right now. Anyone with a brain can watch Alabama play and tell you they would probably beat nearly every team in your top 10 except the top 3. You claim sec bias but that’s not it. They just are a good team. Your sec bias is the problem, not everyone else’s.

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2 minutes ago, Lobo97 said:

But how is that determined? As you said yourself, Bama is one of the 4 best teams, in your 'opinion'. 

 

And by the way, my Top 4 is exactly the same as yours (only I have Clemson 2, Ohio State 3...not that it matters, 2 & 3 play anyway). Why, because it's my opinion that those are the 4 best teams. But who is to say that Minnesota wouldn't beat Bama? Do I think they would, no. But I didn't expect them to beat Penn State either. You think Georgia is the 5th best team. I personally think OU would beat them handily. Same with Baylor, you think they are one of the 10 best teams. I think there are at least 15 teams better than Baylor. They've won 5 of their games by a combined 22 points. And only 1 of those teams has a winning record. 

 

Point is, it's not logically possible to 'choose' the 4 best teams, and then claim they are the 4 best with certainty. Everyone thought Georgia was one of the 4 best teams last year. Yet, they finished with 3 losses. 

I see what your saying and I agree with it to an extent. But I would rather have what we have now and have some controversy, than say letting Oregon or OU in the playoff simply because they are going to more than likely win their conference, when I don’t think they are better than Bama. If your only loss on the season is a 4 point barn burner to the clear cut number 1 team in the country (they have played an extremely tough schedule and have looked like the true number 1 while doing it) and that’s the only reason you didn’t win your conference, I think you deserve a look over someone who dropped a game to far lesser talented team but did win their conference. 

Say Georgia and LSU win out and Georgia beats lsu in the sec title. Then what? Is LSU suddenly a less deserving team than say Oregon who’s best win might be against a Utah team that also doesn’t have many good wins? 

There is no way to make everyone happy. It’s just about making the fewest people mad. I think most fans outside of sec haters will agree that Bama is number 4 at the moment over ou and Oregon. If that’s the way it ends, I don’t think anyone has a case to cry or complain. You want in the playoff, win out. UCF (and that’s a stretch) is the only team that’s ever deserved to complain about the selection process. 

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1 minute ago, WETSU said:

I see what your saying and I agree with it to an extent. But I would rather have what we have now and have some controversy, than say letting Oregon or OU in the playoff simply because they are going to more than likely win their conference, when I don’t think they are better than Bama. If your only loss on the season is a 4 point barn burner to the clear cut number 1 team in the country (they have played an extremely tough schedule and have looked like the true number 1 while doing it) and that’s the only reason you didn’t win your conference, I think you deserve a look over someone who dropped a game to far lesser talented team but did win their conference. 

Say Georgia and LSU win out and Georgia beats lsu in the sec title. Then what? Is LSU suddenly a less deserving team than say Oregon who’s best win might be against a Utah team that also doesn’t have many good wins? 

There is no way to make everyone happy. It’s just about making the fewest people mad. I think most fans outside of sec haters will agree that Bama is number 4 at the moment over ou and Oregon. If that’s the way it ends, I don’t think anyone has a case to cry or complain. You want in the playoff, win out. UCF (and that’s a stretch) is the only team that’s ever deserved to complain about the selection process. 

I agree with everything you said. This bolded part, however, is exactly why we need more than 4. Because as we all know, it's not as simple as 'winning out', is it? As you pointed out, UCF did just that. Yet, not only did they not make the playoff, they didn't even crack the Top 10 (going into postseason). I'd be willing to bet that if Baylor finishes undefeated, they will not make the playoff over 1 loss Alabama. 

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6 minutes ago, WETSU said:

I see what your saying and I agree with it to an extent. But I would rather have what we have now and have some controversy, than say letting Oregon or OU in the playoff simply because they are going to more than likely win their conference, when I don’t think they are better than Bama. If your only loss on the season is a 4 point barn burner to the clear cut number 1 team in the country (they have played an extremely tough schedule and have looked like the true number 1 while doing it) and that’s the only reason you didn’t win your conference, I think you deserve a look over someone who dropped a game to far lesser talented team but did win their conference. 

Say Georgia and LSU win out and Georgia beats lsu in the sec title. Then what? Is LSU suddenly a less deserving team than say Oregon who’s best win might be against a Utah team that also doesn’t have many good wins? 

There is no way to make everyone happy. It’s just about making the fewest people mad. I think most fans outside of sec haters will agree that Bama is number 4 at the moment over ou and Oregon. If that’s the way it ends, I don’t think anyone has a case to cry or complain. You want in the playoff, win out. UCF (and that’s a stretch) is the only team that’s ever deserved to complain about the selection process. 

I would have no issue with a one loss LSU getting in over a one loss Oklahoma. 
 

However, if Alabama wins out then they will have only beaten one top team team the whole season while only having to play 9 P5 games. I would have an issue with that getting them in over a one loss Oklahoma or Oregon.

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Just now, Lobo97 said:

I agree with everything you said. This bolded part, however, is exactly why we need more than 4. Because as we all know, it's not as simple as 'winning out', is it? As you pointed out, UCF did just that. Yet, not only did they not make the playoff, they didn't even crack the Top 10 (going into postseason). I'd be willing to bet that if Baylor finishes undefeated, they will not make the playoff over 1 loss Alabama. 

I agree with you the won’t. And when that happens baylor fans will have a legitimate gripe, fans of big 12 schools will have more ammo for their anti sec rhetoric, and the playoff committee will have strong reasoning to expand this to 8 teams. Although, the 8 teams will just have similar arguments. The 3 at large teams will the. Also be fought over as well, all in the name of possibly getting a 2 loss pac 12 team in the playoff lol 

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1 minute ago, Valhalla said:

I would have no issue with a one loss LSU getting in over a one loss Oklahoma. 
 

However, if Alabama wins out then they will have only beaten one top team team the whole season while only having to play 9 P5 games. I would have an issue with that getting them in over a one loss Oklahoma or Oregon.

If Bama wins out, they will have top 25 victories against A&M and auburn. So technically 2. And before you ball at that, with any other schedule A&M is a top 25 team this year. 

Ou will have beaten a ranked Texas and a ranked baylor, possibly twice, while having a much uglier loss. Is there anyone I’m missing on that? Was Iowa st ranked? Maybe they were. The point is, ou hasn’t done anything much more impressive than Alabama imo and has a much uglier loss. The maybe 1 more win against a ranked team does not negate the lone losses. 

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Look guys I don’t like Alabama either. I too am ready for their reign to end. Them missing or making the playoff benefits A&M in no way and I don’t care if they make it or not. But I can’t with a clear conscious call myself a knowledgeable football fan, and not have Bama in the “best 4” teams in the country right now. Like I said, if we want to start calling the playoff the most deserving 4, I’m all in with you guys. But I think most honest fans in America can tell you that in their opinion, Bama is better than ou or Oregon based off what we have seen. 

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Problem is one year the committee says conference champs matter and the next they don’t.  There should be criteria that stays the same from one year to the next.  Conference champs should matter.  If not then why have conferences.  Have a free for all scheduling and let the committee pick 4.  
 

1.  Notre dame must join a conference.  Their president shouldn’t get as much input as the conference commissioners.  
2.  Conferences should all play the same amount of games.  
3.  No fcs games or independent opponents.  Make everybody be in a conference.  
4.  Must play 2 P5 oOC teams 

5. 8 teams in playoff.  All P5 conf champs are in.  The highest ranked G5 champ is in.  Then use the bcs rankings to place the two highest ranked non champ teams in as the 7-8 seeds.

6.  Use the old bcs bowls for playoffs.  Then have national semis and finals in predesignated locations.

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5 minutes ago, WETSU said:

If Bama wins out, they will have top 25 victories against A&M and auburn. So technically 2. And before you ball at that, with any other schedule A&M is a top 25 team this year. 

Ou will have beaten a ranked Texas and a ranked baylor, possibly twice, while having a much uglier loss. Is there anyone I’m missing on that? Was Iowa st ranked? Maybe they were. The point is, ou hasn’t done anything much more impressive than Alabama imo and has a much uglier loss. The maybe 1 more win against a ranked team does not negate the lone losses. 

aTm plays their schedule. You can’t pick teams on what if’s!    

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1 minute ago, WETSU said:

If Bama wins out, they will have top 25 victories against A&M and auburn. So technically 2. And before you ball at that, with any other schedule A&M is a top 25 team this year. 

Ou will have beaten a ranked Texas and a ranked baylor, possibly twice, while having a much uglier loss. Is there anyone I’m missing on that? Was Iowa st ranked? Maybe they were. The point is, ou hasn’t done anything much more impressive than Alabama imo and has a much uglier loss. The maybe 1 more win against a ranked team does not negate the lone losses. 

If the committee has been consistent about anything since 2014 is that it has cared more about who you beat than who you lost to.

Now they will probably break that tendency for Alabama but we will see. 
 

I mean how they logically reward a team who played Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Miss and the SEC November FCS school.

Usually the “Its the SEC” crowd will bring up their conference schedule, but that cannot even save them this year. 

4 of their 8 conference games consist of Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee who are all terrible. 

All they are getting credit for is past seasons and a 5 point loss at home that was not anywhere near as close as the score was.

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21 minutes ago, Valhalla said:

If the committee has been consistent about anything since 2014 is that it has cared more about who you beat than who you lost to.

Now they will probably break that tendency for Alabama but we will see. 
 

I mean how they logically reward a team who played Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Miss and the SEC November FCS school.

Usually the “Its the SEC” crowd will bring up their conference schedule, but that cannot even save them this year. 

4 of their 8 conference games consist of Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, and Tennessee who are all terrible. 

All they are getting credit for is past seasons and a 5 point loss at home that was not anywhere near as close as the score was.

You are going off of wins and losses and resumes and “deserving” in the argument you’re making against Bama. I don’t completely agree, but if both teams win out, I’m okay with ou getting in over Bama. But I’m not and the committee doesn’t just go off resumes. Take the resumes out of the equation. Gun to your head you have to pick the winner correctly or you die. Do you think OU is a better team than Alabama. Would ou beat Alabama if they played? I personally do not think so. I don’t think you think so. And what I’m saying is that I do not believe that Ou has a strong enough resume to make up for the fact that I think Bama is strong a favorite on a neutral field. That’s the challenge of being the committee and that’s why the parameters keep changing. It’s not bias towards a team or conference. It’s trying to get the best combination of the best 4 and the most deserving 4 on a year to year basis. What happens one year may not happen the next. 

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34 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

aTm plays their schedule. You can’t pick teams on what if’s!    

A&M was ranked when Bama beat them. Im not making anything up. Im saying if we are going to count other teams ranked victories for what they were when the game is played, Bama will have 2 top 25 victories, not just 1 in auburn. 

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