NightStar11 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: Haha Look at the stats you'll see. Losers punt alot. Surratt is right not to punt in the vast majority of cases. He has been correct 99.9 % of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, NightStar11 said: Look at the stats you'll see. Losers punt alot. Surratt is right not to punt in the vast majority of cases. He has been correct 99.9 % of the time. I don't really mind us not ever punting, but sometimes it's better to. MH had a much shorter field and scored because of it. We had already punted once in the game. We won. Semifinals bound. Good enough for me. Much better than last year's game. Defense was great tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
house Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 i'm sure surratt is disappointed in himself for keeping his defense from getting the shutout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStar11 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: I don't really mind us not ever punting, but sometimes it's better to. MH had a mich shorter field and scored because of it. We had already punted once in the game. We won. Semifinals bound. Good enough for me. Much better than last year's game. Defense was great tonight. If a play is executed right, a team should be able to get yardage on 4th down just like if it was 1st down anywhere else. Does being deep in your own territory suddenly render you unable to play football??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, NightStar11 said: If a play is executed right, a team should be able to get yardage on 4th down just like if it was 1st down anywhere else. Does being deep in your own territory suddenly render you unable to play football??? Execution is not guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Just now, NightStar11 said: If a play is executed right, a team should be able to get yardage on 4th down just like if it was 1st down anywhere else. Does being deep in your own territory suddenly render you unable to play football??? There's a fine line between madness and greatness, if there's one at all. We've gone for it on 4th and 12 or something from inside our own 20 in state title games and converted. I'm in no mood to argue this. We won. On to the semi finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, NightStar11 said: Look at the stats you'll see. Losers punt alot. Surratt is right not to punt in the vast majority of cases. He has been correct 99.9 % of the time. Agree 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Good game, Carthage. Great fan support, enjoyed it, great atmosphere. Now go win another one. I stand by the pick I made after the first tine y’all came to Tomato Bowl in Week1. Carthage will win it again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 hours ago, DawgNation2015 said: And MH gets the ball 1st in second half. We were one block away from a big play but we should have punted. I would have punted, but the state championship game in 2016 changed for the good because of a similar distance on 4th down on Carthage's side of the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, DAWG91 said: There's a fine line between madness and greatness, if there's one at all. We've gone for it on 4th and 12 or something from inside our own 20 in state title games and converted. I'm in no mood to argue this. We won. On to the semi finals. We have the Best Coaching staff in the State of Texas, with the Titles to attest to that fact; If Coach Surratt elects to go for it on 4th & long, then doesn’t convert; I feel he will Own that decision afterward, & I don’t think it is right for any of us to “armchair quarterback” his calls... That’s why he gets the big check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, CarthDawg77 said: We have the Best Coaching staff in the State of Texas, with the Titles to attest to that fact; If Coach Surratt elects to go for it on 4th & long, then doesn’t convert; I feel he will Own that decision afterward, & I don’t think it is right for any of us to “armchair quarterback” his calls... That’s why he gets the big check. He doesn't care if you armchair quarterback him, if you keep it civil ---- but of course what is said on Smoaky isn't going to affect his decisions(lol)...…….And in the offseason, when he has a little more time, he will discuss some decisions with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStar11 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 hours ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: Agree 100%! HearEmaGrousin, I don't wanna hear from you until you bring me my chicken n biscuits! You basstard. You were a total no show. Did you pull a drunk or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStar11 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, cotton84 said: I would have punted, but the state championship game in 2016 changed for the good because of a similar distance on 4th down on Carthage's side of the field Sometimes you have to stand your ground, even when the odds are against you. It's just like the German 6th Army at Stalingrad. They fought until they ran out of ammunition and 250,000 were either killed, captured or wounded, but they killed 1,500,000 of Stalin's soldiers so who really lost the battle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 hours ago, NightStar11 said: HearEmaGrousin, I don't wanna hear from you until you bring me my chicken n biscuits! You basstard. You were a total no show. Did you pull a drunk or what? Haha, I pulled up lame en route to the stadium with our chicken. I tweaked an ankle and stubbed by toe walking out of KFC. Just had to eat it myself in the truck since I couldn’t walk once at the Tomato Bowl. So close! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 6 hours ago, CarthDawg77 said: We have the Best Coaching staff in the State of Texas, with the Titles to attest to that fact; If Coach Surratt elects to go for it on 4th & long, then doesn’t convert; I feel he will Own that decision afterward, & I don’t think it is right for any of us to “armchair quarterback” his calls... That’s why he gets the big check. CarthageDawg77 - I’d say based on his decisions in the second half in similar situations he’ll own it. But he will also say the defense was swarming and were likely not going to give up much the rest of the night. It’s over and didn’t have much of an impact in the game other than to break the shutout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, DawgNation2015 said: CarthageDawg77 - I’d say based on his decisions in the second half in similar situations he’ll own it. But he will also say the defense was swarming and were likely not going to give up much the rest of the night. It’s over and didn’t have much of an impact in the game other than to break the shutout. Agreed; This truly was a battle of Defenses. Heritage’s D did a very good job of pressuring Horton & even sacking him several times for lost yardage, as well as some excellent pass coverage to keep it as close as they did. The Dawg D Also was very effective at stopping the run and picking off the Midlothian QB several times after he was pressured to throw the ball. Overall, Carthage was the better team on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, CarthDawg77 said: Agreed; This truly was a battle of Defenses. Heritage’s D did a very good job of pressuring Horton & even sacking him several times for lost yardage, as well as some excellent pass coverage to keep it as close as they did. The Dawg D Also was very effective at stopping the run and picking off the Midlothian QB several times after he was pressured to throw the ball. Overall, Carthage was the better team on both sides of the ball. Yeah, Carthage was easily much better on both sides of the ball and blatantly has many more athletes. Bowman completely shut down MH’s best receiver, Jay Wilkerson. Some of that is the QB was running for his life all night and he just isn’t as talented a passer as Heritage’s QB from last year’s team. Even still, Bowman was all over Wilkerson, had one or two picks and had several pass breakups. Bowman was very much locked in and locked down Wilkerson. Go Dawgs!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said: Yeah, Carthage was easily much better on both sides of the ball and blatantly has many more athletes. Bowman completely shut down MH’s best receiver, Jay Wilkerson. Some of that is the QB was running for his life all night and he just isn’t as talented a passer as Heritage’s QB from last year’s team. Even still, Bowman was all over Wilkerson, had one or two picks and had several pass breakups. Bowman was very much locked in and locked down Wilkerson. Go Dawgs!!!!!!! Wilkerson’s Alligator mouth clearly overloaded his hummingbird Azz last evening... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Carthage fan here looking thru non shaded glasses - both sides did their fair share of chirping. It may all been in good fun, but #8 was not alone in chirping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, cotton84 said: Carthage fan here looking thru non shaded glasses - both sides did their fair share of chirping. It may all been in good fun, but #8 was not alone in chirping. Guarantee he started all of it all the way back to last year. I bet the Carthage players had gotten fed up with it and when they continually shut he and MH down they began letting him hear about it. No need to do that, but it’s over now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, cotton84 said: Carthage fan here looking thru non shaded glasses - both sides did their fair share of chirping. It may all been in good fun, but #8 was not alone in chirping. Agree it was coming from both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 12 hours ago, DAWG91 said: I don't really mind us not ever punting, but sometimes it's better to. MH had a much shorter field and scored because of it. We had already punted once in the game. We won. Semifinals bound. Good enough for me. Much better than last year's game. Defense was great tonight. Just to re-iterate my point. Punting isn't always bad or "for losers." It was said earlier in the thread that if a play is executed right there's no difference between 1st and 4th down. There is one difference: if you don't make it on 4th down the other team gets the ball back. Nobody's been a bigger supporter of our great coach on here. HE IS the reason for our success. 100% no doubt about it. My only point on that particular possession was that the risk seemed greater than the reward. 30 secs left in the half do we punt and make MH go the whole length of the field with little time left or give them a short field? We gave them a short field and they scored. Having said all that I'm well aware that there's been 100 other times we've done the same thing and converted. Cmon guys go easy on me here, I mean, we're so spoiled we have to have at least something to criticize. Ain't nobody perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: Just to re-iterate my point. Punting isn't always bad or "for losers." It was said earlier in the thread that if a play is executed right there's no difference between 1st and 4th down. There is one difference: if you don't make it on 4th down the other team gets the ball back. Nobody's been a bigger supporter of our great coach on here. HE IS the reason for our success. 100% no doubt about it. My only point on that particular possession was that the risk seemed greater than the reward. 30 secs left in the half do we punt and make MH go the whole length of the field with little time left or give them a short field? We gave them a short field and they scored. Having said all that I'm well aware that there's been 100 other times we've done the same thing and converted. Cmon guys go easy on me here, I mean, we're so spoiled we have to have at least something to criticize. Ain't nobody perfect. I’m on your side. Fortunately it didn’t matter. We still playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, DawgNation2015 said: We still playing! & that's all that really matters, isn't it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Lampasas vs Liberty Hill today @ 2p Will be streaming on Texan Live and NFHS network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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