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12 minutes ago, Aledo said:

  I dont golf. I'm the guy that honks my horn during someone's back swing. I'm more of a casino or honky tonk type.   

I like the casinos myself, but after this little Corona deal, it’ll probably be at least a couple of years before I step into one again. They have been shut down so long now, they’ll probably not allow Anybody to win again until they “recoup” their “losses”....🤨

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8 hours ago, CarthDawg77 said:

I like the casinos myself, but after this little Corona deal, it’ll probably be at least a couple of years before I step into one again. They have been shut down so long now, they’ll probably not allow Anybody to win again until they “recoup” their “losses”....🤨

Underground games are the best. 

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On 4/25/2020 at 8:25 PM, ANTI said:

Carthage is an amazing 4A program. Highly accomplished.

But y'all get a little carried away about what yall would do to great 5A and 6A programs every year. Just take what you are and move on. Aledo is not La Vega and would beat Carthage pretty much every year by probably at least two TDs. 2017 was your best bet but, I don't see it.

And you bringing up Longview... Ja'von King was a star on that Carthage defense this past year. Good player...but was at Longview spring of 2019 and couldnt get on the field.

Calm down...

The Carthage vs Longview debate is dumb. We all know what would happen 9 out of 10 times.

King was a good player, and Carthage was lucky to have him. But a star? Calm down. 

But it does show the difference in depth between the 2 schools. Which is expected since Carthage has 700 kids and Longview has 2000.

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Refugio tops all of these IMO.  Since Herring got there in '06 or '07, they have done nothing but win despite the odds, and they have won against all comers, playing highly ranked 3A and even a few ranked 4A schools.  Not taking anything away from the likes of Carthage and others, but few if any are playing 3-3 divisions up and schools with at least 3 times as many kids (well, except for those unfortunate to have to play Allen with their ridiculous 6,000+). 

Take a drive through Refugio and see what they're coming from.  Consider they have only 200-210 kids in their school.... Looking at all the factors, they are the most consistent and dominant program in Texas over the past decade and Herring is quickly moving up the ladder of the winningest coaches in Texas High School Football history. 

They've been spanked a few times by some tough opponents (i.e. Canandian), but they have also dished it out to many who thought they were upper echelon until they ran into the Bobcat buzz-saw (San Augustine, Waskom, Holland....).  They are the model of consistency and dominance.

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On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2020 at 12:19 PM, Aledo said:

3 State Titles in a decade is great! Refugio is a top 5 program pound for pound no doubt. But we should let the numbers talk. We can go back to '06 if you'd like.

Aledo

Overall record: 195-16

Playoff record: 64-6

State Titles: 8

Refugio

Overall record: 185-19

Playoff record: 52-11

State Titles: 3

Taking nothing away from Aledo, but I'm looking at not just wins and titles, but at the entire community picture.  You say "we should let the numbers talk" and I agree, but there is more to this than just the numbers on the field.  Much more goes into making a program truly great.  I've never been to Aledo, but my impression of Aledo is that it is a very affluent area/district with whatever they need at their fingertips.  Am I off the mark with that? 

Now let's look at Refugio's entire community picture...  The two (Aledo/Refugio) are as diametrically opposed as is possible.  Right?

Taking where the two have come from, looking at the entire school/community/resources etc, I have to go with Refugio as the program of the decade.  They have made more of what they have than any other program.

Even as I typed that it has an "icky" feeling of a socialist world view and I've tried to view it from the Aledo point-of-view, but still have to take my hat off to Refugio as the best.  Herring has milked every drop possible out of the resources available in Refugio to make them into what they are today.

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9 hours ago, Everide2016 said:

Taking nothing away from Aledo, but I'm looking at not just wins and titles, but at the entire community picture.  You say "we should let the numbers talk" and I agree, but there is more to this than just the numbers on the field.  Much more goes into making a program truly great.  I've never been to Aledo, but my impression of Aledo is that it is a very affluent area/district with whatever they need at their fingertips.  Am I off the mark with that? 

Now let's look at Refugio's entire community picture...  The two (Aledo/Refugio) are as diametrically opposed as is possible.  Right?

Taking where the two have come from, looking at the entire school/community/resources etc, I have to go with Refugio as the program of the decade.  They have made more of what they have than any other program.

Even as I typed that it has an "icky" feeling of a socialist world view and I've tried to view it from the Aledo point-of-view, but still have to take my hat off to Refugio as the best.  Herring has milked every drop possible out of the resources available in Refugio to make them into what they are today.

I would add the most important detail that has been left out. 
Refugio plays no one until the third round of the playoffs. 
Aledo plays good football programs almost every week. 
That is how you gauge a program. 
you can build a great record with no competition. 
 

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On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 10:29 PM, cowboyandchrist said:

I would add the most important detail that has been left out. 
Refugio plays no one until the third round of the playoffs. 
Aledo plays good football programs almost every week. 
That is how you gauge a program. 
you can build a great record with no competition. 
 

Wrong, "the most important detail" was not left out. 

Playing no one until the 3rd round has been much more detrimental to Refugio than helpful. Remember when they caught all the grief for running up the scores.  Their coach was convinced that playing all those lousy teams and having to pull his starters by halftime was killing them in the playoffs.  He started playing them through the 3rd quarter in order to try to have them game ready for the playoffs.  That resulted in the crazy scores and the huge ESPN story raking them over the coals, but it also resulted in a state championship.  This proved their Coach's theory was right.  Those that argue otherwise will never be convinced, but it was the key from their perspective.

Also, you might want to do some homework on saying they 'play no one until the 3rd round.'  They can't do anything about their district schedule, although for a few years they did have Shiner and Weimar, but they will play all comers in pre-district and have shown this over recent years playing even a Top 5 4A program in Geronimo-Navarro to 21-17 and 14-6 losses, not bad for playing up two divisions.  Also, playing any 3A team that will play, although most won't because they don't want to get their hat handed to them by a 2A school.  They travel farther than many other teams are willing to do in pre-district in order to try to get some good competition.... Mart - 250+ miles, Cameron - 195, Geronimo-Navarro - 100+, Lago Vista - 190, Halletsville, Goliad, Edna, Aransas Pass, Ingleside.

Neither Aledo or Refugio contribute to who they play in district, so that's not a positive or negative attributable to either program's system.  To say "that's how you gauge a program" misses the mark.

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On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 10:57 PM, DAWG91 said:

It does seem like refugio is there just about every year no doubt.  I just can't look past the scores.  Looks like a basketball score alot of the times.  Defense matters.

"Defense matters."  Couldn't agree more.  Watch the Post vs Refugio championship game to see a great defense.  Easy to get over the scores when hoisting the trophy.

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On 5/13/2020 at 10:29 PM, cowboyandchrist said:

Aledo plays good football programs almost every week.

Aledo hasn't been in an actual district in years. Maybe they play good teams in non-district, but district play? It's a complete joke.

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7 hours ago, Everide2016 said:

"Defense matters."  Couldn't agree more.  Watch the Post vs Refugio championship game to see a great defense.  Easy to get over the scores when hoisting the trophy.

2019 won 28-7 (great defense), 2016 won 23-20 (good defense) 2011 lost 56-36 (no defense).  So,  i suppose i stand corrected.  2 out of 3 aint bad.  I left out the ones from way back when.  I must've been thinking about that 2011 game or another team.  One thing I guess I didn't take into consideration is that at that level,  you got a lot of,  if not most, starters going both ways.  In short, Refugio is a great program.

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3 hours ago, Aledo said:

I'd disagree that our districts throughout the years have been an complete joke. When we play the Ftw schools then yeah its not good but when we play the county teams its not bad. 

I'd love to know when the last time one of your district mates made it to say, the Quarterfinals...?

I'm in no way harping y'all's program, y'all have a special thing over there right now. But have y'all had a single ranked district match up in any of the time y'all have been on your winning streak? Has a single district teammate even come close to State, much less win it?

The Fort Worth district was a whole new level of awfulness, no doubt. But eh, and it's not like it's something y'all can control.

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21 hours ago, LoboFan07 said:

Aledo hasn't been in an actual district in years. Maybe they play good teams in non-district, but district play? It's a complete joke.

Let me tell you something about out here... There is usually 1-2 dominant schools in a district out here and the rest are just a scrimmage... and that basically runs true 1A-5A.  Aledo's district is basically the NFL playing against D2 college football most weeks.  And that is not knocking those other schools, but the 2nd best school in Aledo's classification in this area is typically a slightly above average team at best.  Aledo is just a beast.  A collection of West Ft Worth's finest athletes paired with the best coaches.  

Look at other schools near Aledo...  Brock... dominate their district in 3A...  Decatur, Graham, Stephenville...  These are nice schools with history that are attractive to families.  You can live in Ft Worth and run the risk of gang initiation and possible murder, or you can move 10 miles west and your kid can go to Aledo where the most ferocious gang out here are the moms in the youth softball league... or the gymnastics moms at IMPACT Gym off of I-20.   

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16 hours ago, Aledo said:

Absolutely. This past season we went to OT at home against Midlothian. 

I listened to that one.  Aledo was down by 20 or something with 3-4 minutes left, tied it up with a few seconds left, then Midlothian got in FG range and either missed it or faked it and it went into overtime.  During OT Midlothian was completely outmatched.

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1 hour ago, Aledo said:

Not sure which game you remember but the game I was referencing was a bit different. Aledo never trailed by more than 7. Midlothian went for it on 4th down to ice the game away but fumbled the ball. Aledo then tied it up with little time remaining. In overtime Midlothian fumbled again and our defense returned it for the winning TD. 

maybe i pictured the game differently in my head...  but this one is the one I imagined completely different... then again I tuned in the last 4 minutes of the game because I saw that Aledo was trailing.  Whatever Midlothian was doing, Aledo couldn't stop that day.

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21 hours ago, DAWG91 said:

Hoping you guys break the 100 mark next year!  Just.  WOW!

Agreed, that’d be a great feat that’d be almost impossible to match. 
It takes an amazing program like Aledo, and a less than average district. However, no matter how pitiful the district is it is still an amazing f thing to possibly reach 100 district wins without a loss, unbelievable!

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1 hour ago, Raiderfan7000 said:

With that target you’re getting the best effort if there is talent on that team. Keeping undefeated records are always nice and not easy. Heck Carthage as good as they’re can’t say that. 

We’re happy with what we have... We’ll manage.😜👌

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