Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Romans 1:32 English Standard Version (ESV) 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Again they are not giving approval nor agree with it. They just want the gov to be liberal. Not everyone is a one issue voter nor do they need to be labeled as such. it’s a false equivalence between someone voting for a Democrat and because the party supports abortion that they do as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: It’s so plainly taught that each denomination does it differently. denominations only exist because people want to "interpret" God's Word instead of believing it and obeying it.....denominations did not exist in the New Testament and their very existence shows how man has perverted Gods Word to serve their own purposes....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Youngcoach123 said: Again they are not giving approval nor agree with it. They just want the gov to be liberal. Not everyone is a one issue voter nor do they need to be labeled as such. it’s a false equivalence between someone voting for a Democrat and because the party supports abortion that they do as well If they support it in any way, they give their approval....just like GOD said in the scripture i quoted...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: If they support it in any way, they give their approval....just like GOD said in the scripture i quoted...... but supporting a party candidate is not supporting abortion no matter how much you think it is. (Or want it to be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: denominations only exist because people want to "interpret" God's Word instead of believing it and obeying it.....denominations did not exist in the New Testament and their very existence shows how man has perverted Gods Word to serve their own purposes....... But it proves my original point of Christians don’t agree on everything. You can call it whatever you want or frame it however. I don’t care, my point stands and all of your grandstanding scripture doesn’t change reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: but supporting a party candidate is not supporting abortion no matter how much you think it is. (Or want it to be) If the candidate they support is a member of the party that supports murder or perversion, then their support of that candidate is support of the murder and perversion......exactly what GOD said in Romans 1...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: But it proves my original point of Christians don’t agree on everything. You can call it whatever you want or frame it however. I don’t care, my point stands and all of your grandstanding scripture doesn’t change reality You can believe the Scripture or not......that's always YOUR choice....just don't be surprised at the outcome that is promised to those who do not believe and then obey....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, WestHardinfan1 said: You can believe the Scripture or not......that's always YOUR choice....just don't be surprised at the outcome that is promised to those who do not believe and then obey....... Everyone believes the scripture but they all do it differently. Why is that? And who is right? You must be baptist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Everyone believes the scripture but they all do it differently. Why is that? And who is right? You must be baptist. No everyone does NOT believe the Scripture.....that is shown by the fact that you think that two people can read God's Word and do it differently....God does not allow interpretation....He speaks , we believe what He said and DO it or don't do it.......it's very black and white......there are no grey areas........I do not belong to any of the false man-made denominations......I am a member of the church that can be read about in the New Testament.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Take it to the Religion Forum you crazy kids. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: No everyone does NOT believe the Scripture.....that is shown by the fact that you think that two people can read God's Word and do it differently....God does not allow interpretation....He speaks , we believe what He said and DO it or don't do it.......it's very black and white......there are no grey areas........I do not belong to any of the false man-made denominations......I am a member of the church that can be read about in the New Testament.... I’m glad you think there is no interpretation but the rest of the world has them. Wrong or right, it’s up for interpretation. You really are a zealot to believe that you are correct by every interpretation you have and everyone else is wrong. You remind me of another religious group that blows them selves up because there version of religion is correct also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, AKA said: Take it to the Religion Forum you crazy kids. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Sorry guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: I’m glad you think there is no interpretation but the rest of the world has them. Wrong or right, it’s up for interpretation. You really are a zealot to believe that you are correct by every interpretation you have and everyone else is wrong. You remind me of another religious group that blows them selves up because there version of religion is correct also. God does not ALLOW human interpretation of HIS Word.....anyone who DOES try to put his or her own interpretation on GOD'S Word is sinning.......and we are warned about the ultimate eternal outcome of impenitent sinners.....unlike muslims, we do not attempt to force anything on you.....it's all up to YOU to believe, obey, and be saved....or not and be lost eternally..... 2 Peter 1:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV) 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, AKA said: Take it to the Religion Forum you crazy kids. Wish granted...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Wish granted...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, WestHardinfan1 said: God does not ALLOW human interpretation of HIS Word.....anyone who DOES try to put his or her own interpretation on GOD'S Word is sinning.......and we are warned about the ultimate eternal outcome of impenitent sinners.....unlike muslims, we do not attempt to force anything on you.....it's all up to YOU to believe, obey, and be saved....or not and be lost eternally..... 2 Peter 1:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV) 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. How can you say he doesn’t allow interpretation when there are literally hundreds if not thousands of different interpretations? I get it there may be only one true word and that is not up for interpretation in your eyes or even gods eyes, but there still are, and for you to say there isn’t is willfully putting your head in the sand. and stop with the scripture quotes, they are not even relevant to the topic most of the time and don’t help you point at all. This last one is talking about prophecy. Which is no where in our discussion. Yes it uses the word interpretation but it is clearly about another subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: How can you say he doesn’t allow interpretation when there are literally hundreds if not thousands of different interpretations? I get it there may be only one true word and that is not up for interpretation in your eyes or even gods eyes, but there still are, and for you to say there isn’t is willfully putting your head in the sand. and stop with the scripture quotes, they are not even relevant to the topic most of the time and don’t help you point at all. This last one is talking about prophecy. Which is no where in our discussion. Yes it uses the word interpretation but it is clearly about another subject. Every word in the Bible was spoken either directly by God, or through one of His prophets......and I think you have interpretation confused with translation.....and as long as God does not allow is to subjectively translate His Word is all that matters on the topic.....God's Word is relevant to EVERY topic.....and I'll continue to quote it as much as I want....if you don't want to hear it, move on to other threads......see unlike those Muslims you compared me to, it's your choice....no one is forcing you to listen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Every word in the Bible was spoken either directly by God, or through one of His prophets......and I think you have interpretation confused with translation.....and as long as God does not allow is to subjectively translate His Word is all that matters on the topic.....God's Word is relevant to EVERY topic.....and I'll continue to quote it as much as I want....if you don't want to hear it, move on to other threads......see unlike those Muslims you compared me to, it's your choice....no one is forcing you to listen..... Your quoting it out of context is all I was saying. And interpretation is exactly what it is when every denomination does things differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Your quoting it out of context is all I was saying. And interpretation is exactly what it is when every denomination does things differently. I've quoted nothing out of context.......and we are not allowed by GOD to do anything different from what HE said in His Word......doing so is an addition or a subtraction from His Word.....denominations are in violation of this, and are all in sin........ Deuteronomy 4:2 English Standard Version (ESV) 2 You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Ok yes they are in violation, whatever, but they are doing it and you just said so. That was the initial point that you have been going on about how it’s not happening but it is. Right or wrong it is happening. and yes you were out of context. Sorry not sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: Ok yes they are in violation, whatever, but they are doing it and you just said so. That was the initial point that you have been going on about how it’s not happening but it is. Right or wrong it is happening. and yes you were out of context. Sorry not sorry Prove that I took anything out of context.......you can't, because I've taken nothing out of context...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: How can you say he doesn’t allow interpretation when there are literally hundreds if not thousands of different interpretations? I get it there may be only one true word and that is not up for interpretation in your eyes or even gods eyes, but there still are, and for you to say there isn’t is willfully putting your head in the sand. and stop with the scripture quotes, they are not even relevant to the topic most of the time and don’t help you point at all. This last one is talking about prophecy. Which is no where in our discussion. Yes it uses the word interpretation but it is clearly about another subject. it’s talking about prophecy, not interpretations of his spoken word which is what we were talking about. but thanks for agreeing that there are interpretations. Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Youngcoach123 said: it’s talking about prophecy, not interpretations of his spoken word which is what we were talking about. but thanks for agreeing that there are interpretations. Have a good day. EVERY single WORD in the Bible is prophetic.......it is either spoken directly by God, or through one of His prophets.......Peter is talking about every single word of the Bible....NONE of it is up for interpretation and anyone who does is sinning......simple as that......just because you lack the Biblical understanding to comprehend changes nothing...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTV1 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 10:15 AM, WestHardinfan1 said: denominations only exist because people want to "interpret" God's Word instead of believing it and obeying it.....denominations did not exist in the New Testament and their very existence shows how man has perverted Gods Word to serve their own purposes....... 10 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: it’s talking about prophecy, not interpretations of his spoken word which is what we were talking about. but thanks for agreeing that there are interpretations. Have a good day. This is why I have always stated that the Bible has been manipulated by men. How many translations of the Bible are there, and how many of them are 100% correct ? I read the King James version. As I have stated in the past there are many books of the Bible that are mentioned, but were left out. Why ? The Prophets of the Old Testament spoke with God, and they heard His voice, yet those books are not included ? The most notable would be the Book of Nathan, and while many say that he was a lesser prophet, did he not succeed Samuel, and condemned David for his adulterous act with Bathsheba ? He told David of how all that he owned would be taken from him if he did not repent. I do not believe God has stopped talking to His chosen leaders on earth, and that they still hear His voice to lead His flock that is still on this earth today. Until our Savior returns and restores all order by vanquishing idiot and his followers will it all be done. Christ has fulfilled all that is needed for us to be with our Father in Heaven. All we have to do is have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repent of our sins in His atoning blood, baptism for the remission of sins, laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring till the end. While some say that it is tough keeping the commandment of the Most High God, we have been afforded the repentance process to remove them, and make our garments white as snow. Sometimes, repentance can be a difficult process, but we can achieve it. The celebration of Christmas is to celebrate the birth of our Savior, which is the greatest gift God hath given to His children that He created in His image. Our Elder Brother Jesus Christ can make us joint heirs along His side in the Kingdom of Heaven. It is not through abominations and sin that we will inherit the Kingdom of God. Repent and be Baptized. We must be forgiving, but we are also directed to give guidance to those that have fallen, so that they may repent in the blood of our Savior. We are never told in scriptures to accept sinful behavior as a norm as many desire today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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