2019-20 East Texas 5A Sports Thread

[Mavchamp]

East Texas 5A Week 10 Update.  RED INDICATES TEAM HAS CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT

8-5A Div II Scores
Ennis beat Corsicana 30-21
North Forney beat Royse City 49-39
Greenville beat Forney 51-3
Kaufman beat Sulphur Springs 28-24


Standings
Ennis (7-0) (8-1)
Corsicana (6-2) (7-3)
Greenville (5-2) (6-3)
Royse City (5-2) (7-2)
North Forney (4-3)(6-3)
Sulphur Springs (1-6) (1-8)
Forney (1-6) (2-7)
Terrell (1-6) (1-8)
Kaufman (2-5) (2-7)

Ennis wrapped up the district championship with their win over Corsicana, who will settle in to the second place slot.  Royse City was shocked by North Forney, preventing the Bulldogs from clinching and keeping the Falcons in the race.  Greenville clinched a playoff slot with their win over Forney.

North Forney, which has lost 49-38 to Greenville, stayed in the playoff hunt at 4-3 with its victory over Royse City. Royse City, which beat Greenville 17-14 earlier in the season, has to beat Terrell to make the playoffs. If Royse City, Greenville and North Forney were to tie for third place, Greenville and North Forney would advance to the playoffs because of a tiebreaking system.

 

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9-5A Div II Scores
Marshall beat Whitehouse 35-8
Lindale beat Pine Tree 49-22
Nacogdoches bear Hallsville43-6
Mount Pleasant beat Jacksonville 33-27

Standings
Marshall (6-0) (6-3)
Whitehouse (5-1) (6-3)
Lindale (4-2) (6-3)
Pine Tree (4-2) (5-4)
Mount Pleasant (2-4) (4-5)
Nacogdoches (2-4) (2-7)
Jacksonville (1-5) (2.7)
Hallsville (0-6) (2-7)

Marshall claimed their third consecutive district title and their fourth title in five seasons with a resounding victory over the Whitehouse Wildcats.  Both will host playoff games in the first round of the playoffs. 

Lindale's win over PT put the Eagles in third place, while ending the Pirate's hopes of sharing the district title. 

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7-5A Div I Scores
Mesquite Poteet beat John Tyler 37-14
Sherman beat West Mesquite 56-27
Texas High Vs. Wylie East 40-13
McKinney North- BYE

Standings
McKinney North (5-0) (8-1)Tomball
Mesquite Poteet (4-1) (5-4)
John Tyler (3-2) (3-6)
Texas High (2-3) (5-4)
Sherman (2-3) (5-4)
West Mesquite (2-3) (2-7)
Wylie East (0-6) (2-8)

I'll have to work on all the scenarios on this one.  It's a doozy.  Everyone still has a chance to get in except for Wylie East.

 

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8-5A Div I Scores
Lufkin beat Caney Creek 58-0
Tomball beat College Station 42-35
Willis beat Waller 36-30
Magnolia beat Magnolia West 39-15
 

Standings
Lufkin (6-0) (8-1)
Magnolia West (4-2) (5-4)
College Station (4-2) (6-3)
Magnolia (4-2) (6-3)
Tomball (3-3) (4-5)
WIllis (2-4) (3-6)
Caney Creek (1-5) (2-7)
Waller (0-6) (0-8)

Lots of scenarios here too.  I'll work on them when I get home.... along with some playoff projections.

[PackAttack]

Okay, here goes about playoff scenarios in 8-5A.  I don't think Tomball is eliminated just yet, but they need a ton of help.

Lufkin is guaranteed the #1 seed and a home game in the first round of the playoffs.

College Station must beat Magnolia West to secure the #2 seed and a home game. They have the tie breaker against Magnolia. Magnolia would then be the 3rd seed and Magnolia West 4th seed, because they have the tie breaker over Tomball no matter what they do if CS wins. I believe this the most accurate choice.

If Magnolia West wins against College Station and Magnolia defeats Caney Creek. Which they should. Then you may have some movement for the 2nd seed moving toward Magnolia, Mag West would be 3rd seed and CS would drop to 4th seed with 3 losses in district. Things get tricky for CS because Tomball lost to Lufkin, Mag West and Magnolia, but defeated College Station.  They play Willis this week.  A win would make them 4-3 in district and if CS loses, they would also be 4-3 and Tomball beat them.  So, I don't think they are totally eliminated from the playoffs although it is a long shot.  A CS win over MW solves everything.   Are you confused yet?

[Nacwagons]

16 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

I’m pretty confident in predicting: 

Lamar Consolidated at Marshall

Huntsville at Whitehouse 

Lindale at Katy Paetow

Pine Tree at A&M Consolidated 

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sorry about the lack of updates this weekend. I’ve been moving! 

That sure is a long trip for Lindale to Katy and Rosenberg to Marshall!!

 

 

[Mavchamp]

30 minutes ago, Nacwagons said:

That sure is a long trip for Lindale to Katy and Rosenberg to Marshall!!

 

 

Yeah. Lamar came to Marshall last year and I’m pretty sure it was the longest trip they have taken in several years. Even for the playoffs. 

I didn’t mind the neutral sites.... wouldn’t mind going back to it. But hosting at home is nice too.  This will be our 4th home playoff game since 2004. 

[Win1Soon]

Marshall will be the only East Texas winner in those bi-district match ups

[Mavchamp]

EAST TEXAS PLAYOFF PROJECTIONS

Denison/Frisco Reedy Vs. Ennis 
Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy loser Vs. Corsicana
Royse City Vs. Braswell
Greenville Vs. Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy winner

Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall
Huntsville Vs. Whitehouse
Lindale Vs. Katy Paetow
Pine Tree Vs. A&M Consolidated

Texas High Vs. Lufkin
John Tyler Vs. College Station
Magnolia Vs. Mesquite Poteet
Magnolia West Vs. McKinney North

Interesting notes:
1.  Greenville in the playoffs for the first time since 2003.
2.  Royse City (barring an upset) will be in the playoffs for the first time since 2011
3.  Texas High and Lufkin will meet for the first time since 1989, when they were district rivals.
4.  Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall is a rematch from last season.  Mavs won 56-14.
5.  Pine Tree is in the playoffs for only the second time since 2001.
6.  Texas High has not won a playoff game since 2009 (Jacksonville 22-20)

 

 

[Nacwagons]

5 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

Yeah. Lamar came to Marshall last year and I’m pretty sure it was the longest trip they have taken in several years. Even for the playoffs. 

 

I Don’t doubt it they are an hour south west of Houston towards Victoria!!

[NODAYSOFFTX]

1 hour ago, Mavchamp said:

EAST TEXAS PLAYOFF PROJECTIONS

Denison/Frisco Reedy Vs. Ennis 
Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy loser Vs. Corsicana
Royse City Vs. Braswell
Greenville Vs. Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy winner

Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall
Huntsville Vs. Whitehouse
Lindale Vs. Katy Paetow
Pine Tree Vs. A&M Consolidated

Texas High Vs. Lufkin
John Tyler Vs. College Station
Magnolia Vs. Mesquite Poteet
Magnolia West Vs. McKinney North

Interesting notes:
1.  Greenville in the playoffs for the first time since 2003.
2.  Royse City (barring an upset) will be in the playoffs for the first time since 2011
3.  Texas High and Lufkin will meet for the first time since 1989, when they were district rivals.
4.  Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall is a rematch from last season.  Mavs won 56-14.
5.  Pine Tree is in the playoffs for only the second time since 2001.
6.  Texas High has not won a playoff game since 2009 (Jacksonville 22-20)

 

 

Sherman would still get in I think over TH since they beat them. 

[Pack007]

5 minutes ago, NODAYSOFFTX said:

Sherman would still get in I think over TH since they beat them. 

TH won that game. 
 

I have that info on the previous page 

[dillonpanthers]

32 minutes ago, Pack007 said:

TH won that game. 
 

I have that info on the previous page 

Yep. TH won

[Mavchamp]

1 hour ago, NODAYSOFFTX said:

Sherman would still get in I think over TH since they beat them. 

Ummmm...Texas High beat Sherman 27-14. 

[dfwfootballfan]

3 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

EAST TEXAS PLAYOFF PROJECTIONS

Denison/Frisco Reedy Vs. Ennis 
Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy loser Vs. Corsicana
Royse City Vs. Braswell
Greenville Vs. Frisco/Lucas-Lovejoy winner

Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall
Huntsville Vs. Whitehouse
Lindale Vs. Katy Paetow
Pine Tree Vs. A&M Consolidated

Texas High Vs. Lufkin
John Tyler Vs. College Station
Magnolia Vs. Mesquite Poteet
Magnolia West Vs. McKinney North

Interesting notes:
1.  Greenville in the playoffs for the first time since 2003.
2.  Royse City (barring an upset) will be in the playoffs for the first time since 2011
3.  Texas High and Lufkin will meet for the first time since 1989, when they were district rivals.
4.  Lamar Consolidated Vs. Marshall is a rematch from last season.  Mavs won 56-14.
5.  Pine Tree is in the playoffs for only the second time since 2001.
6.  Texas High has not won a playoff game since 2009 (Jacksonville 22-20)

 

 

Is Braswell the 3rd place team in their district?

[Mavchamp]

42 minutes ago, dfwfootballfan said:

Is Braswell the 3rd place team in their district?

Currently tied for second place. 

[EazyMoney]

On 11/3/2019 at 7:36 PM, Mavchamp said:

I’m pretty confident in predicting: 

Lamar Consolidated at Marshall

Huntsville at Whitehouse 

Lindale at Katy Paetow

Pine Tree at A&M Consolidated 

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sorry about the lack of updates this weekend. I’ve been moving! 

I think Lamar Cons beats Katy this week which could result in a 3 way tie for 2nd.  Not sure how all that would shake out for seedings.  Katy should not be a 2 seed but might get it as that Huntsville upset was big.  Huntsville has struggled offensively at times this season.  They had halftime leads in both district losses and were shutout in the 2nd half in both games.  

[Nacwagons]

9 hours ago, EazyMoney said:

I think Lamar Cons beats Katy this week which could result in a 3 way tie for 2nd.  Not sure how all that would shake out for seedings.  Katy should not be a 2 seed but might get it as that Huntsville upset was big.  Huntsville has struggled offensively at times this season.  They had halftime leads in both district losses and were shutout in the 2nd half in both games.  

The scenarios for this district are extensive to say the least. There is a possibility of 2 different 3 way ties depending on the results for this week. Point differential is crazy for all of them!! 

[dfwfootballfan]

12 hours ago, dfwfootballfan said:

Is Braswell the 3rd place team in their district?

Thanks, was only curious because if RC wins they would finish 2nd due to head to head wins over Cana & Gville.  How do the point tie breakers work?

[Nacwagons]

1 hour ago, dfwfootballfan said:

Thanks, was only curious because if RC wins they would finish 2nd due to head to head wins over Cana & Gville.  How do the point tie breakers work?

In the event of a 3 way the point differential is a +/-. Example teams A,B,C tie at 2-2 and they all beta each other, the point differenital for their head to head meetings is used.

A beat B 17-7 (A is +10 B is -10)

C Beat A 10-7  ( C is +3 A is -3)

B Beats C 21-10 (B is +11 C is - 11)

So would take those differentials and do the math.

A would be +7

B would be +1

C would be -8 

A and B would advance.

 

[LoboFan07]

On 11/1/2019 at 10:01 PM, Greenville said:

PLAYOFFS!!!

WE’RE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

GREENVILLE IS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I forgot to post on Friday, but I am so, so happy for y'all.

With everything y'all have had to go through in recent years, so happy y'all finally get to experience the post season again!!

[Mavchamp]

On 11/5/2019 at 10:46 AM, Nacwagons said:

In the event of a 3 way the point differential is a +/-. Example teams A,B,C tie at 2-2 and they all beta each other, the point differenital for their head to head meetings is used.

A beat B 17-7 (A is +10 B is -10)

C Beat A 10-7  ( C is +3 A is -3)

B Beats C 21-10 (B is +11 C is - 11)

So would take those differentials and do the math.

A would be +7

B would be +1

C would be -8 

A and B would advance.

 

It amazes me that the UIL would let each DEC decide their tie breaking rules. Seems like it would be uniform for everyone across the board. 

 

[Nacwagons]

16 minutes ago, Mavchamp said:

It amazes me that the UIL would let each DEC decide their tie breaking rules. Seems like it would be uniform for everyone across the board. 

 

I actually thought those tie breaking rules were pretty standard across the state.

 

I guess some still coin flip?

[LoboFan07]

1 hour ago, Nacwagons said:

I actually thought those tie breaking rules were pretty standard across the state.

 

I guess some still coin flip?

Some have points, different max for the points. Some head to head. Some points for three teams to eliminate one then head to head for the other two. Some coin place.

Its all over the place tbh.

[Mavchamp]

2 hours ago, Nacwagons said:

I actually thought those tie breaking rules were pretty standard across the state.

 

I guess some still coin flip?

I think the point system is most common. But like Lobo said.... the max points is different and there are all kinds of variations. 

And it seems like I recall last year one of the lower classification playoff teams was decided by a coin flip. 

I can’t imagine. 

I know Lufkin and  Ennis decided a game by coin flip a few years ago in lieu playing a make-up game from weather. 

[EazyMoney]

Yes, it would be nice if it was uniform across all districts.  We can all guess, but nobody knows the specific tiebreaker rules except the district coaches I guess.  It’s not like they are posted somewhere.  

[Nacwagons]

17 minutes ago, Mavchamp said:

I think the point system is most common. But like Lobo said.... the max points is different and there are all kinds of variations. 

And it seems like I recall last year one of the lower classification playoff teams was decided by a coin flip. 

I can’t imagine. 

I know Lufkin and  Ennis decided a game by coin flip a few years ago in lieu playing a make-up game from weather. 

I do remember the coin flip to keep from having to play a make up game.

[Nacwagons]

https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/2015/11/07/coin-flips-point-differentials-head-to-head-here-s-the-story-behind-uil-tiebreakers/

 

this article is a few years old but it lays out ALL of the different tiebreakers used. 

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/2017/10/28/trying-to-figure-out-your-team-s-path-to-the-playoffs-here-are-tiebreaker-rules-for-each-area-district/