JTFAN99 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Mavchamp said: Marshall will scrimmage Frisco Wakeland in Athens They will scrimmage JT in Marshall. Not sure of the order, dates, or times. TBD so with no sping ball this yr, will everyone have 2 scrimmage games this yr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJONATION83 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTFAN99 said: so with no sping ball this yr, will everyone have 2 scrimmage games this yr? Yes. Everyone will have 2 scrimmages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex85 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Mavchamp said: Woooow. wasn’t crazy about some of the black helmets from the past. But these are sharp! i usually like the all black look but i like the white helmets better for some reason. yall always have some good looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JTFAN99 said: so with no sping ball this yr, will everyone have 2 scrimmage games this yr? Yep. Longview scrimmages Lufkin and Texas High. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, JTFAN99 said: wow. JT has been around 130-140 range. That's one of the main reasons why I don't have JT winning state in the near future. You can win with those numbers in 4a and below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, VonG said: That's one of the main reasons why I don't have JT winning state in the near future. You can win with those numbers in 4a and below. Generally speaking, low numbers are bad. However, JT usually has historically low numbers. They have been to the 4th round or better 6 time in past 11 seasons (3 of those were semi finals) with a roster of 45 to 55 kids. Despite the low numbers, JT has always had alot of talent. Just look at number of Div.1 players produced at the school. If you add it up, its normally about 50 fresh, another 40 or so on JV and about 50 on varsity. Having about 140 kids is normal. Besides, its the summer and Coach has said he is expecting more kids...but I doubt JT ever has more than about 160-170 kids. If JT doesn't win state, it will have more to do with other factors, not the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, JTFAN99 said: wow. JT has been around 130-140 range. Good grief. Wonder what Lee's numbers have been like... Longview had 300+ this week according to LNJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, ANTI said: Good grief. Wonder what Lee's numbers have been like... Longview had 300+ this week according to LNJ. I would bet close to 200 kids. They have about 230 in their program last yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJONATION83 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, JTFAN99 said: Generally speaking, low numbers are bad. However, JT usually has historically low numbers. They have been to the 4th round or better 6 time in past 11 seasons (3 of those were semi finals) with a roster of 45 to 55 kids. Despite the low numbers, JT has always had alot of talent. Just look at number of Div.1 players produced at the school. If you add it up, its normally about 50 fresh, another 40 or so on JV and about 50 on varsity. Having about 140 kids is normal. Besides, its the summer and Coach has said he is expecting more kids...but I doubt JT ever has more than about 160-170 kids. If JT doesn't win state, it will have more to do with other factors, not the numbers. JT propably has between 150 to 160 kids between the 3 levels. We'll have about 45 to 50 on varsity, 40 on JV, and around 60 freshman. There are alot of reasons for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, JTFAN99 said: Generally speaking, low numbers are bad. However, JT usually has historically low numbers. They have been to the 4th round or better 6 time in past 11 seasons (3 of those were semi finals) with a roster of 45 to 55 kids. Despite the low numbers, JT has always had alot of talent. Just look at number of Div.1 players produced at the school. If you add it up, its normally about 50 fresh, another 40 or so on JV and about 50 on varsity. Having about 140 kids is normal. Besides, its the summer and Coach has said he is expecting more kids...but I doubt JT ever has more than about 160-170 kids. If JT doesn't win state, it will have more to do with other factors, not the numbers. JT had 35 this past season. They didn't have a bunch of Fred Ross, Greg Ward, Bryson Smith, and etc. caliber players either. Even with those types of players they still didn't win. You have to have depth. You can't keep playing guys both ways in 5a division 1 and expect to win. There are other factors why they haven't won. I don't want to get into all of that. But not having the numbers is one of them. All the top programs in the state don't fall off like JT did because they have the numbers. Name me a top program that went 10-4 the previous season and then went 3-8 the next season. It just doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlandry Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Mark this down: Pine Tree and Mt. Pleasant will finished in top 3 of district. GET READY!! Huge CHANGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJONATION83 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, VonG said: JT had 35 this past season. They didn't have a bunch of Fred Ross, Greg Ward, Bryson Smith, and etc. caliber players either. Even with those types of players they still didn't win. You have to have depth. You can't keep playing guys both ways in 5a division 1 and expect to win. There are other factors why they haven't won. I don't want to get into all of that. But not having the numbers is one of them. All the top programs in the state don't fall off like JT did because they have the numbers. Name me a top program that went 10-4 the previous season and that went 3-8 the next season. It just doesn't happen. A lot of truth here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 I thought 234 seemed a little low for us. I was expecting more. But after hearing some other 5A schools numbers, I’m feeling better about it. Would never expect Longview numbers. They have 700 more students than us. But seems above average from what I’m hearing for our district mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, tomlandry said: Mark this down: Pine Tree and Mt. Pleasant will finished in top 3 of district. GET READY!! Huge CHANGE Pine Tree I won’t argue. I expect them to compete with Marshall and Texas High. Hard pass on MP for me. They have a serious numbers problem. Defensive issues galore. That’s hard to correct overnight. jmho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, VonG said: JT had 35 this past season. They didn't have a bunch of Fred Ross, Greg Ward, Bryson Smith, and etc. caliber players either. Even with those types of players they still didn't win. You have to have depth. You can't keep playing guys both ways in 5a division 1 and expect to win. There are other factors why they haven't won. I don't want to get into all of that. But not having the numbers is one of them. All the top programs in the state don't fall off like JT did because they have the numbers. Name me a top program that went 10-4 the previous season and that went 3-8 the next season. It just doesn't happen. I do agree that low numbers probably affect them being contenders every yr, but there are lots of schools with better numbers than JT that have had less success. What good is numbers if you don't have talent. JT wasn't good last yr because the talent was way down, and didn't help that the schedule was a little tough. The Ford situation didn't help either. The numbers aren't going to change at JT. They been like this since the 90s and JT has probably produced just as many div.1 players, if not more than many of the top schools in Texas All Im saying is that they could have won in 2010 and 2012 with 45-55 kids and they have other deep runs too.. And they moved up to 6a and won the district. But when Toke, Bryson Smith, Greg Ward, and etc is walking through the door, that helps. Its going to be good yrs and bad yrs, but on the good yrs, JT can make deep runs and contend. I think there are other factors that could be done to make JT a better program, but I ain't diving into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJONATION83 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, JTFAN99 said: I do agree that low numbers probably affect them being contenders every yr, but there are lots of schools with better numbers than JT that have had less success. What good is numbers if you don't have talent. JT wasn't good last yr because the talent was way down, and didn't help that the schedule was a little tough. The Ford situation didn't help either. The numbers aren't going to change at JT. They been like this since the 90s and JT has probably produced just as many div.1 players, if not more than many of the top schools in Texas All Im saying is that they could have won in 2010 and 2012 with 45-55 kids and they have other deep runs too.. And they moved up to 6a and won the district. But when Toke, Bryson Smith, Greg Ward, and etc is walking through the door, that helps. Its going to be good yrs and bad yrs, but on the good yrs, JT can make deep runs and contend. I think there are other factors that could be done to make JT a better program, but I ain't diving into that. VERY WELL SAID! Like I have said on previous posts, JT is loaded in the sophomore and incoming freshman classes. JT'S numbers are what they are and JT will deal with it the best they can. Last year's team was talent depleted in some areas(wr core and o line). JT returns 70 to 80% of their team from last year. We will be competitive across the board IMO, but wish we were more stable at the qb position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, JTFAN99 said: I do agree that low numbers probably affect them being contenders every yr, but there are lots of schools with better numbers than JT that have had less success. What good is numbers if you don't have talent. JT wasn't good last yr because the talent was way down, and didn't help that the schedule was a little tough. The Ford situation didn't help either. The numbers aren't going to change at JT. They been like this since the 90s and JT has probably produced just as many div.1 players, if not more than many of the top schools in Texas All Im saying is that they could have won in 2010 and 2012 with 45-55 kids and they have other deep runs too.. And they moved up to 6a and won the district. But when Toke, Bryson Smith, Greg Ward, and etc is walking through the door, that helps. Its going to be good yrs and bad yrs, but on the good yrs, JT can make deep runs and contend. I think there are other factors that could be done to make JT a better program, but I ain't diving into that. That's my point exactly. Toke, Bush, Ward, Geo, and Smith not walking through the doors every single year. But when you have the numbers you can still be good. Those guys I listed make you great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, VonG said: That's my point exactly. Toke, Bush, Ward, Geo, and Smith not walking through the doors every single year. But when you have the numbers you can still be good. Those guys I listed make you great. great point. JT has been fortunate to have so many great players walk through the door despite the low numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, CUJONATION83 said: VERY WELL SAID! Like I have said on previous posts, JT is loaded in the sophomore and incoming freshman classes. JT'S numbers are what they are and JT will deal with it the best they can. Last year's team was talent depleted in some areas(wr core and o line). JT returns 70 to 80% of their team from last year. We will be competitive across the board IMO, but wish we were more stable at the qb position. I truly believe talent can overcome depth issues. I know its not idea for players to play both ways, but even at schools with lots of depth, there will always be 2 or 3 kids you want on the field at all times...like Kitan Crawford. With that said, got big holes at LB this yr to fill but with a stable qb situation, they can win some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFAN99 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I'm not debating about the number the players, because I do believe the more the better. But serious question....How many kids actually get on the field on a Friday? The NFL has a 53 man roster, with only 46 active each game and not every player plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, JTFAN99 said: I'm not debating about the number the players, because I do believe the more the better. But serious question....How many kids actually get on the field on a Friday? The NFL has a 53 man roster, with only 46 active each game and not every player plays. Those are the best of the best. You don't have that luxury at your local high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctown81 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 8:47 PM, Mavchamp said: I thought 234 seemed a little low for us. I was expecting more. But after hearing some other 5A schools numbers, I’m feeling better about it. Would never expect Longview numbers. They have 700 more students than us. But seems above average from what I’m hearing for our district mates. Some 5a schools have around 18 players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackAttack Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Dave Campbell's 2020 Texas Football Rankings for 5A Division I 1. Denton Ryan 2. Frisco Lone Star 3. Longview 4. Highland Park 5. Lancaster 6. Manvel 7. Richmond Foster 8. Cedar Park 9. Red Oak 10. Amarillo Tascosa 11. Lufkin 12. Frisco Independence 13. Colleyville Heritage 14. Abilene Cooper 15. CC Veterans Memorial 16. College Station 17. CC Flour Bluff 18. FB Hightower 19. Weslaco East 20. Friendswood 21. Dripping Springs 22. Azle 23. Mansfield Summit 24. Amarillo 25. Lubbock Coronado 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, PackAttack said: Dave Campbell's 2020 Texas Football Rankings for 5A Division I 1. Denton Ryan 2. Frisco Lone Star 3. Longview 4. Highland Park 5. Lancaster 6. Manvel 7. Richmond Foster 8. Cedar Park 9. Red Oak 10. Amarillo Tascosa 11. Lufkin 12. Frisco Independence 13. Colleyville Heritage 14. Abilene Cooper 15. CC Veterans Memorial 16. College Station 17. CC Flour Bluff 18. FB Hightower 19. Weslaco East 20. Friendswood 21. Dripping Springs 22. Azle 23. Mansfield Summit 24. Amarillo 25. Lubbock Coronado Interested in seeing Div II. Texas High is a certainty I’m sure. Outside of them.... anything would be pleasant surprise. We have a couple of big questions to answer before we can be listed. Namely at QB. QB Burris might be one of the hardest working kids in Marshall. Should be a fun competition to see who grabs the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackAttack Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2020 5A Division II DCTF 1. Ennis 2. Aledo 3. Lubbock Cooper 4. FB Marshall 5. A&M Consolidated 6. Wichita Falls Rider 7. Mansfield Timberview 8. Frisco 9. Barbers Hill 10. Crosby 11. Boerne Champion 12. Huntsville 13. Marshall 14. Liberty Hill 15. Dallas South Oak Cliff 16. Brenham 17. Kerville Tivey 18. Sharyland Pioneer 19. Mesquite Poteet 20. Texas High Ennis picked to win State over Aledo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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