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1 hour ago, JTFAN99 said:

I do agree that low numbers probably affect them being contenders every yr, but there are lots of schools with better numbers than JT that have had less success.  What good is numbers if you don't have talent.

JT wasn't good last yr because the talent was way down, and didn't help that the schedule was a little tough. The Ford situation didn't help either. 

The numbers aren't going to change at JT. They been like this since the 90s and JT has probably produced just as many div.1 players, if not more than many of the top schools in Texas 

All Im saying is that they could have won in 2010 and 2012 with 45-55 kids and they have other deep runs too.. And they moved up to 6a and won the district.  But when Toke, Bryson Smith, Greg Ward, and etc is walking through the door, that helps.  Its going to be good yrs and bad yrs, but on the good yrs, JT can make deep runs and contend.  I think there are other factors that could be done to make JT a better program, but I ain't diving into that. 

That's my point exactly. Toke, Bush, Ward, Geo, and Smith not walking through the doors every single year. But when you have the numbers you can still be good. Those guys I listed make you great. 

 

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Well "those" you spoke with really weren't paying very close attention then. While it wasn't a large score disparity it wasn't really that close of a call especially statistically.  Marshall

Someone from Whitehouse complaining about class and sportsmanship... That's irony. Sports or not.

Longview schedules Beaumont West Brook to replace West Monroe. Game will take place on Thursday, October 15th at Lufkin.

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28 minutes ago, VonG said:

That's my point exactly. Toke, Bush, Ward, Geo, and Smith not walking through the doors every single year. But when you have the numbers you can still be good. Those guys I listed make you great. 

 

great point.   

JT has been fortunate to have so many great players walk through the door despite the low numbers.

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1 hour ago, CUJONATION83 said:

VERY WELL SAID! Like I have said on previous posts, JT is loaded in the sophomore and incoming freshman classes. JT'S numbers are what they are and JT will deal with it the best they can. Last year's team was talent depleted in some areas(wr core and o line). JT returns 70 to 80% of their team from last year. We will be competitive across the board IMO, but wish we were more stable at the qb position. 

I truly believe talent can overcome depth issues. I know its not idea for players to play both ways, but even at schools with lots of depth, there will always be 2 or 3 kids you want on the field at all times...like Kitan Crawford. 

With that said, got big holes at LB this yr to fill but with a stable qb situation, they can win some games.  

 

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I'm not debating about the number the players, because I do believe the more the better.

But serious question....How many kids actually get on the field on a Friday?   The NFL has a 53 man roster, with only 46 active each game and not every player plays.

 

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35 minutes ago, JTFAN99 said:

I'm not debating about the number the players, because I do believe the more the better.

But serious question....How many kids actually get on the field on a Friday?   The NFL has a 53 man roster, with only 46 active each game and not every player plays.

 

Those are the best of the best. You don't have that luxury at your local high school. 

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On 6/12/2020 at 8:47 PM, Mavchamp said:

I thought 234 seemed a little low for us.  I was expecting more. 

But after hearing some other 5A schools numbers, I’m feeling better about it. 

Would never expect Longview numbers. They have 700 more students than us.  

But seems above average from what I’m hearing for our district mates. 

Some 5a schools have around 18 players.

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Dave Campbell's 2020 Texas Football Rankings for 5A Division I  

1. Denton Ryan

2. Frisco Lone Star

3. Longview

4. Highland Park

5. Lancaster

6. Manvel

7. Richmond Foster

8. Cedar Park

9. Red Oak

10. Amarillo Tascosa

11. Lufkin

12. Frisco Independence

13. Colleyville Heritage

14. Abilene Cooper

15. CC Veterans Memorial

16. College Station

17. CC Flour Bluff

18. FB Hightower

19. Weslaco East

20. Friendswood

21. Dripping Springs

22. Azle

23. Mansfield Summit

24. Amarillo

25. Lubbock Coronado

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17 minutes ago, PackAttack said:

Dave Campbell's 2020 Texas Football Rankings for 5A Division I  

1. Denton Ryan

2. Frisco Lone Star

3. Longview

4. Highland Park

5. Lancaster

6. Manvel

7. Richmond Foster

8. Cedar Park

9. Red Oak

10. Amarillo Tascosa

11. Lufkin

12. Frisco Independence

13. Colleyville Heritage

14. Abilene Cooper

15. CC Veterans Memorial

16. College Station

17. CC Flour Bluff

18. FB Hightower

19. Weslaco East

20. Friendswood

21. Dripping Springs

22. Azle

23. Mansfield Summit

24. Amarillo

25. Lubbock Coronado

Interested in seeing Div II. 

Texas High is a certainty I’m sure. 

Outside of them.... anything would be pleasant surprise.  

We have a couple of big questions to answer before we can be listed.  Namely at QB.  

QB Burris might be one of the hardest working kids in Marshall.  Should be a fun competition to see who grabs the position. 

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2020 5A Division II  DCTF

1. Ennis

2. Aledo

3. Lubbock Cooper

4. FB Marshall

5. A&M Consolidated

6. Wichita Falls Rider

7. Mansfield Timberview

8. Frisco

9. Barbers Hill

10. Crosby

11. Boerne Champion

12. Huntsville

13. Marshall

14. Liberty Hill

15. Dallas South Oak Cliff

16. Brenham

17. Kerville Tivey

18. Sharyland Pioneer

19. Mesquite Poteet

20. Texas High

 

Ennis picked to win State over Aledo

 

 

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Texas High is too low. 

Im shocked we are 13.   Without a returning QB? 

We have tons coming back.  But we have some big question marks. 

Here’s to it being a fun year 

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Just now, Mavchamp said:

Texas High is too low. 

Im shocked we are 13.   Without a returning QB? 

We have tons coming back.  But we have some big question marks. 

Here’s to it being a fun year 

I'm not sure I agree on Texas High..   We are being elevated by the upset of Lufkin last year.   And I think that says more about Lufkin than about us.  We have some good potential but I don't see any solid indications that should put us in the top 20.

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In the 5A Division I bracket:

Denton Ryan picked to win State over Frisco Lone Star

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8 minutes ago, THSfanatic said:

I'm not sure I agree on Texas High..   We are being elevated by the upset of Lufkin last year.   And I think that says more about Lufkin than about us.  We have some good potential but I don't see any solid indications that should put us in the top 20.

I have full confidence in our staff.  And the number of returning starters is encouraging. 

But like you.... top 20 is a reach until I know we are settled on QB. 

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11 hours ago, PackAttack said:

Ennis picked to win State over Aledo

Who takes that bet???? Lmao 

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12 hours ago, PackAttack said:

In the 5A Division I bracket:

Denton Ryan picked to win State over Frisco Lone Star

Ryan over Manvel in the state title game.  They have Ryan over Lone Star in the regional final.

interesting that they don’t have Longview, HP, or Lufkin getting to regional final.  I am not sure I agree but we will see with us having a new QB

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13 minutes ago, kingwolf said:

Ryan over Manvel in the state title game.  They have Ryan over Lone Star in the regional final.

interesting that they don’t have Longview, HP, or Lufkin getting to regional final.  I am not sure I agree but we will see with us having a new QB

I get lufkin and some degree HP but kinda of surprised Longview not getting noticed. I bet replacing King has something to do with that. I am sure the lobos have some  replacements that will lead a long way. 

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51 minutes ago, kingwolf said:

Ryan over Manvel in the state title game.  They have Ryan over Lone Star in the regional final.

interesting that they don’t have Longview, HP, or Lufkin getting to regional final.  I am not sure I agree but we will see with us having a new QB

I can totally see this season being a "building year" (for Longview) where we *only* go three or four rounds deep...  but at the same time, I can see this squad going all the way. 

All depends on how it all comes together, and gonna need a little bit of luck along the way.

Frankly, at this point, I just hope this season happens, and goes the distance. 

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4 hours ago, kingwolf said:

Ryan over Manvel in the state title game.  They have Ryan over Lone Star in the regional final.

interesting that they don’t have Longview, HP, or Lufkin getting to regional final.  I am not sure I agree but we will see with us having a new QB

I really understand why they don't have Lufkin even close to a regional final.  The last two years DCTF has ranked Lufkin #1 and #7 respectively , and they have done nothing with it.  A 2nd round loss to Lone Star and getting beat in the 1st round at home by Texas High last year.   I'm more surprised by their lack of talk about Longview.  I mean, the Lobos are moving down from 6A and  have a 2018  6A DII Title under their belt.

Lufkin has the talent to play with the best around. Overall coaching questions loom.  A prime example, not able to adjust, make the right decisions and time management last year against Texas High in our own stadium.  Our game strategy didn't go as planned and they were unable to adjust.  No disrespect to Texas High, they looked very good that night.   Around the coaching circles they say when you play Lufkin's OC , "it's just doubles and trips nothing else. They just try to out athlete you" .      

In fact in the DCTF magazine write up about 5A DI in 2020, Lufkin isn't even mentioned by Greg Tepper in any of his comments.  In fact you hardly here Matt Stepp or Greg Tepper mention Lufkin in their Stepp and Tepp Podcast and that is because they have not generated good results in the playoffs.  Playoffs are where you prove your worth as a program in Texas HS football.  Lufkin has not done that well under Todd Quick.

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37 minutes ago, LOL said:

I can totally see this season being a "building year" (for Longview) where we *only* go three or four rounds deep...  but at the same time, I can see this squad going all the way. 

All depends on how it all comes together, and gonna need a little bit of luck along the way.

Frankly, at this point, I just hope this season happens, and goes the distance. 

Assuming we'll have a season, I think there is a bit of 'underestimating' going on with Longview this season. Yes, we are replacing the greatest QB this program has ever seen, but honestly that position isn't what I'm most worried about. I'm only deeply concerned with CB. We have a historic backfield, WR's will be better, OL will be better...much of the firepower like Kybo Jackson-Jamerson, Shannon Jackson II, Joe Jones, Tyree Hale, Laqualon Hale etc returns from that storied defense last year (King making that home run hire of Berry as DC just for reminder)....Onofre back at K...nice young promising 2023 QB for the present and future...other additions...I'm pretty confident in a 4 rounds or better year despite region 2 being beyond loaded.

DCTF's top 20 sort of has the same prospects my top 20 has, but the order differ. They're higher on some teams that I'm not as high on, and vice versa. I think Longview and Ryan are your top 2 for one thing, very little gap between the two. 

My 5A-DI top 20:

1. Longview

2. Denton Ryan

3. Lancaster

4. Frisco Lone Star

5. Highland Park

6. Cedar Park

7. Frisco Independence 

8. Colleyville Heritage

9. Richmond Foster

10. Mansfield Summit

11. Red Oak

12. Manvel

13. Lufkin

14. Abilene Cooper

15. College Station

16. Amarillo

17. Tascosa

18. New Caney

19. FB Hightower 

20. Azle

Others that can't be slept on: Midlothian, Birdville, Sherman, McKinney North, Hendrickson

 

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Not much respect for Highland Park @ #5.  They will be there and Longview will have trouble with them.  Simply because they do more with what they have and have a great coaching staff.  HP may not have the athletes a Longview, Lancaster or Denton Ryan but their tradition of playing high caliber football and top coaching make up that difference.  Lone Star is somewhat in that category too. Great coaching staff .

Manvel will be much better than people believe.  Lufkin should be #20, because they are not reliable come playoff time.  Longview has the attitude and desire to make playoff runs in their pro gram, that Lufkin hasn't had much luck with playoffs since 2005, with the exception of 2012 and 2017. Nine,  one and done seasons since 2005.

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52 minutes ago, ANTI said:

Assuming we'll have a season, I think there is a bit of 'underestimating' going on with Longview this season. Yes, we are replacing the greatest QB this program has ever seen, but honestly that position isn't what I'm most worried about. I'm only deeply concerned with CB. We have a historic backfield, WR's will be better, OL will be better...much of the firepower like Kybo Jackson-Jamerson, Shannon Jackson II, Joe Jones, Tyree Hale, Laqualon Hale etc returns from that storied defense last year (King making that home run hire of Berry as DC just for reminder)....Onofre back at K...nice young promising 2023 QB for the present and future...other additions...I'm pretty confident in a 4 rounds or better year despite region 2 being beyond loaded.

Well, I think you know at this point that I'm gonna poor-mouth the defense every pre-season. We could be returning the All-Madden defense and I'd still be "worried." That's just a ledge I'm gonna walk out on every Spring.  ;) 

That said, you're right on every point. The loss of Haynes won't be as acutely felt as some may think. Sure, it'll probably tighten up the playbook somewhat (going from 3-year starter to a relative newcomer), but the passing game is still gonna be legit. Opposing defenses load the box to their peril. O-line is gonna be solid. A lotta talented WRs, and Longview gonna Longview at RB. 

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1 hour ago, PackAttack said:

Not much respect for Highland Park @ #5.  They will be there and Longview will have trouble with them.  

A lot of respect for HP...heck a lot of respect for that top 15. Especially Manvel and up. It'll be a battle at Lobo when HP comes to town.

But when you look at what Lancaster and Lone Star has returning, not sure how you can put HP over them.

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Lancaster will choke as always, there whole offense went thru one player last year and he is gone so I don’t understand there ranking so someone enlighten me. Also They can’t get past the discipline/ Mental barrier. They just a good regular season team in a bad district most of the time. 

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38 minutes ago, Aledo said:

 Red Oak needs to be top 10. 

Would have easily been in my top 10 had they not loss Coach Ross this off-season who was a very good coach. His first season there, they went 9-2. They averaged 3 wins a season before that.

Weapons everywhere for sure. QB Josh Ervin is one of the most dynamic signal callers in the state. Put up 3,000 yards last year and has many of his targets back like WR Raymond Gay. Strong 2022 class, 3 returning on the OL, solid front 7 with a deep LB unit led by Jackson Bailey who won LB MVP honor at NLA combine back in Janurary. 

This is a team with 11 all district players back. So the talent is there....just not sure the coaching is.

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