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48 minutes ago, Aledo said:

Here was my updated best guess
r9 Marshall / t10 Bryan Rudder

Woof.

That'd be a fun one.

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Someone from Whitehouse complaining about class and sportsmanship... That's irony. Sports or not.

Well "those" you spoke with really weren't paying very close attention then. While it wasn't a large score disparity it wasn't really that close of a call especially statistically.  Marshall

Why be a douche about it?  Nac doesn’t pick their district.  They compete where they are put... and they dominate.  just say congrats and move on.  Don’t see the point in trying to lessen thei

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Mavchamp has done such a great job on 9-5A, I'll take a stab at 10-5A II.  

The 3 returning playoff teams from this district were all hit hard by graduation.  The district is wide open and all teams have a playoff shot.

A&M Consolidated – Last year, 10-0 Regular season and lost a close one in the 2nd round to FB Marshall.  The Tigers lost a lot of talent, especially at the offensive skill positions.  4 guys from last years team are now playing at Power 5 schools.  A&M returns 6 starters, mainly on the OL and DL.  The defense is expected to be pretty salty and they have a great coach, Lee Fedora, who is 30-6 in his 3 seasons.  No doubt this program reloads.  The Tigers have started the season 3-0.

Huntsville – The Hornets have turned the corner in the last 3 years.  They went 4th round in 2018 and 3rd round last year.  Both years taken out by FB Marshall.  Graduation losses were also heavy as only 4 starters return.  The D-Line is the strength of the team and will wreck major havoc on opposing offenses.  The offense is talented but lacks experience.  Huntsville has dominated their first 2 games against 6A schools and has a tough one against another 6A team CE King this week.

Bryan Rudder – The Rangers have never been to the playoffs and haven’t had a winning season in a decade.  2020 looks promising as they have one of the top QB/WR combos in the district and a defense returning 9 starters.  The ascension of Bryan Rudder is evident and I expect them to be 4-0 after this weekend.  They do have the talent on both sides of the ball and I expect their first ever playoff appearance.

Montgomery – The Bears return 15 starters from 2019.  They had a lot of on/off field issues last year with a hazing scandal and look to bounce back in 2020.  The coach’s son is a 3 year starter at QB and the Bears also have an excellent QB/WR combo.  The offense can put up points.  The defense and special teams are still suspect and I would expect some shoot-outs this season.  Montgomery has started 1-2.  The two losses were to Porter and Crosby by a combined 4 points.

Lamar Consolidated – New coach at Lamar who will have to replace a core of skill players including the QB and an all-state RB who is now at Baylor.  The Mustangs do have 10 starters returning including a veteran O-Line.  Lamar certainly has the speed and athleticism for a 3rd straight playoff appearance.  Lamar has started 0-3 this year as they try and find their identity.  I will forecast that they miss the playoffs.

Lake Creek – The Lions have never been to the playoffs but are very close to a breakout year.  Both sides of the ball have most of their starters returning.  The QB, an ATM baseball commit, is 6’6” and is back after an injury in 2019.  The secondary looks to be a strength of the team.  The Lions only loss this season is to Porter and they should be 3-1 after this weekend.  Lake Creek has an excellent shot at the playoffs.

Fulshear – The Chargers make the jump from 4A to 5A but they have their work cut out for them.  Fulshear has also never been to the playoffs and still may be a year or two away.  They have a talented sophomore class and their freshman class has had success.  Fulshear has started 3-0 against weaker competition and I believe they will not be playoff bound in 2020.

 
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4 hours ago, Aledo said:

Here was my updated best guess

w9 Texarkana / f10 Fulshear
r12 Barbers Hill / t11 Houston Sterling
w10 A&M Consolidated / f9 Whitehouse
r11 Fort Bend Willowridge / t12 Port Neches-Groves
w11 Fort Bend Marshall / f12 Kingwood Park
r10 Huntsville / t9 Longview Pine Tree
w12 Crosby / f11 Houston Waltrip
r9 Marshall / t10 Bryan Rudder

That’s a pretty solid assessment IMHO. 

1st: Rudder

2nd: Crosby

3rd: FB Marshall/Huntsville 

4th:  Texas High/AMC

5th: Boerne Champion/Mission

6th:  Aledo/Ennis/Frisco/WF Rider

Wowzers. That’s a tough road by anyone’s measuring stick. 

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On 10/13/2020 at 8:29 AM, Nacwagons said:

IDK, I know I have come into each of the last 3-4 years not seeing anything special from Whitehouse. Even after our losses to them, I was still wondering how in the world they seem to sneak by with wins in some of the district games. I am not using the word "sneak" in an insulting way. They have been finding ways to win games!!

The trouble for Nac is not taking care of schools like Whitehouse and Mount Pleasant. They have the same problem as Mount Pleasant. I think Mount Pleasant is going to shock some teams this year. Pine Tree and Texas High will decide who wins district. Whitehouse doesn't seem like a threat to me to finish fourth. I think it's Mount Pleasant. Nac reminds me of Greenville. For years, Greenville lacked coaching. Greenville now has a great coaching staff. It remains to be seen about Nac and their coach 

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1 hour ago, tomlandry said:

The trouble for Nac is not taking care of schools like Whitehouse and Mount Pleasant. They have the same problem as Mount Pleasant. I think Mount Pleasant is going to shock some teams this year. Pine Tree and Texas High will decide who wins district. Whitehouse doesn't seem like a threat to me to finish fourth. I think it's Mount Pleasant. Nac reminds me of Greenville. For years, Greenville lacked coaching. Greenville now has a great coaching staff. It remains to be seen about Nac and their coach 

We’ve have hired  winning coaches before. That doesn’t impress me anymore what will though is if a coach can make this program consistent in winning. First place in this district will come down to three teams T high Marshall and pine tree. The rest I believe will be fighting for fourth. 

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11 minutes ago, nacdragon07 said:

We’ve have hired  winning coaches before. That doesn’t impress me anymore what will though is if a coach can make this program consistent in winning. First place in this district will come down to three teams T high Marshall and pine tree. The rest I believe will be fighting for fourth. 

Just hiring a coach that won somewhere else isn't enough if there is no program base. It starts building in the middle schools and goes up. I don't mean winning in Middle School, I mean the same system and terminology at middle school through high school. Kids running the same offense and defense all the way through. This has not been the case at Nac. 3 years ago the middle school programs ran different offensive systems and different terminology. Then add the revolving door of coaches makes it worse. The athletes are here and they always have been. Harper was the last coach to have any type of system that was sustained all the way through. Then putting the players in the right spot. Our freshman team has some dynamic players at the skilled positions they just haven't played. One of the middles school programs is very talented across the board, we just need to start seeing that start to translate at the Varsity level. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, nacdragon07 said:

We’ve have hired  winning coaches before. That doesn’t impress me anymore what will though is if a coach can make this program consistent in winning. First place in this district will come down to three teams T high Marshall and pine tree. The rest I believe will be fighting for fourth. 

Todd dodge  couldn’t win dripping springs, or any other schools that didn’t have a southlake or a westlake 

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2 hours ago, Nacwagons said:

Just hiring a coach that won somewhere else isn't enough if there is no program base. It starts building in the middle schools and goes up. I don't mean winning in Middle School, I mean the same system and terminology at middle school through high school. Kids running the same offense and defense all the way through. This has not been the case at Nac. 3 years ago the middle school programs ran different offensive systems and different terminology. Then add the revolving door of coaches makes it worse. The athletes are here and they always have been. Harper was the last coach to have any type of system that was sustained all the way through. Then putting the players in the right spot. Our freshman team has some dynamic players at the skilled positions they just haven't played. One of the middles school programs is very talented across the board, we just need to start seeing that start to translate at the Varsity level. 

 

 

So let me ask this, how is the current coach developing players? Lane at Pine Tree has done a great job. Not sure about other coaches but he has taken us from zero to hero. 

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On 10/12/2020 at 5:16 PM, Mavchamp said:

On the plus side.... the game is in Nac.  I know they have struggled at home of late....BUT....I don't think there's a team in East Texas that gets more home cooking than WH.  Not that I've witnessed at least.

I've heard it from MP fans, PT fans, Jax fans, Nac fans.... and the Mavs experienced it first hand and in all its glory last season.  And I'm just talking about the officiating.  I'm not talking about the extracurriculars that are also widely known and expected from them.

Best of luck to Nac Vs. WH.  I hope ya'll beat the breaks off of them.

I'm just not expecting it.

We are gonna have our hands full with Pine Tree that night.

Your Bias attitude against WH continues to amaze me. You do realize HOME teams don't hand pick the officiating crews they have? There's no such thing as home cooking in 5A football - do more homework. WH has won the last 4 games against Nac (2 Home, 2 Away). They beat Corsicana last weekend and RC (who is very impressive) at their own home turf.

WH lost 17 starters (on the only playoff winning team in the district I might add in '19) and sits at 3-0 with a Soph QB, Soph RB, and Soph #1 target WR. All while have a 3-0 JV team right now. 

Give credit with credits do!

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35 minutes ago, JoeBurns23 said:

Your Bias attitude against WH continues to amaze me. You do realize HOME teams don't hand pick the officiating crews they have? There's no such thing as home cooking in 5A football - do more homework. WH has won the last 4 games against Nac (2 Home, 2 Away). They beat Corsicana last weekend and RC (who is very impressive) at their own home turf.

WH lost 17 starters (on the only playoff winning team in the district I might add in '19) and sits at 3-0 with a Soph QB, Soph RB, and Soph #1 target WR. All while have a 3-0 JV team right now. 

Give credit with credits do!

I remember all too well cause I played on the team. WH deliberately pulling their starters to throw a game so they could avoid T high. That to me is the reason why I’ll never respect them. 

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48 minutes ago, JoeBurns23 said:

Your Bias attitude towards WH continues to amaze me. You do realize HOME teams don't hand pick the officiating crews they have? There's no such thing as home cooking in 5A football - do more homework. WH has won the last 4 games against Nac (2 Home, 2 Away). They beat Corsicana last weekend and RC (who is very impressive) at their own home turf.

WH lost 17 starters (on the only playoff winning team in the district I might add in '19) and sits at 3-0 with a Soph QB, Soph RB, and Soph #1 target WR. All while have a 3-0 JV team right now. 

Give credit with credits do!

I’m not biased against WH. I just don’t like playing them. I don’t like how they play.  And it’s universally discussed by almost all of their district rivals. So.... there must be something to it.  Fans from Nac, PT, MP, Jax, and Marshall... discussed it Ad Nauseam last season.   Everyone’s experience was basically the same.   Hate that fact bothers you.  

And if you think home teams don’t get benefit of the doubt in some calls you are out of your mind  I’ve seen it from every team... including my Mavs.  It happens.  It just seems to happen more in some places than others.  Hate that fact bothers you

If WH does something impressive this season, Ill congratulate them. But I don’t think the rest of the district feels any inclination to be their cheerleaders.  Hate that fact bothers you. 

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10 minutes ago, Mavchamp said:

I’m not biased against WH. I just don’t like playing them. I don’t like how they play.  And it’s universally discussed by almost all of their district rivals. So.... there must be something to it.  Fans from Nac, PT, MP, Jax, and Marshall... discussed it Ad Nauseam last season.   Everyone’s experience was basically the same.   Hate that fact bothers you.  

And if you think home teams don’t get benefit of the doubt in some calls you are out of your mind  I’ve seen it from every team... including my Mavs.  It happens.  It just seems to happen more in some places than others.  Hate that fact bothers you

If WH does something impressive this season, Ill congratulate them. But I don’t think the rest of the district feels any inclination to be their cheerleaders.  Hate that fact bothers you. 

Whitehouse and their constant elitism is what bothers me the most. Going to a game there you get judge for what you do, judge for who you are, and it's more about what cars we drive than the football game. I couldn't care less about the district itself. It's an average white flight school in my opinion. I wish them nothing but the best but that doesn't take away from how they treat people

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4 hours ago, tomlandry said:

So let me ask this, how is the current coach developing players? Lane at Pine Tree has done a great job. Not sure about other coaches but he has taken us from zero to hero. 

First installing the system at both middle schools. It is this staffs 2nd year, was hired late in the spring his first year and missed this past spring and summer practice so they are not as far as they would be. They also planned on playing 7 on 7 for the first time this past year before that was canceled. They are installing a good base, just have to let things sink in. I fully expect good things from Nac, just trying to patient for it to take shape. I like what I am seeing after year 1 and 2 games this year. 

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5 hours ago, nacdragon07 said:

I remember all too well cause I played on the team. WH deliberately pulling their starters to throw a game so they could avoid T high. That to me is the reason why I’ll never respect them. 

You never respect them? How does that even make sense. What year did that even happen? Should I never respect the Cowboys because I hated Barry Switzer? Should I never go to a McD’s because one time they got my order wrong? 
New coaches, new players, new many things happen.. but one thing that happens in 1987 is their identity forever? Interesting concept.
Would you like WH to deliberately pull out their starters next Friday if they go up 40?

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5 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

I’m not biased against WH. I just don’t like playing them. I don’t like how they play.  And it’s universally discussed by almost all of their district rivals. So.... there must be something to it.  Fans from Nac, PT, MP, Jax, and Marshall... discussed it Ad Nauseam last season.   Everyone’s experience was basically the same.   Hate that fact bothers you.  

And if you think home teams don’t get benefit of the doubt in some calls you are out of your mind  I’ve seen it from every team... including my Mavs.  It happens.  It just seems to happen more in some places than others.  Hate that fact bothers you

If WH does something impressive this season, Ill congratulate them. But I don’t think the rest of the district feels any inclination to be their cheerleaders.  Hate that fact bothers you. 

Uhh is it just me or did I actually list numbers and factual information while you continued to express your opinion. “I don’t like how they play”.. “but my best friend said they were mean too”.. “I’m having universal round table discussions” haha. What a joke. 
 

MavsChamp but Mavs Choke. 1 and Done again this year. You heard it first. HATE THAT FACT BOTHERS YOU. 

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5 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

I’m not biased against WH. I just don’t like playing them.

I mean, that fact alone makes your biased against them lol. But you're not wrong. They're awful to play against.

Not many teams I can remember having hatred for from over a decade ago, with only one meeting plus it being a 52-9 final.

Didn't they throw a game that y'all would've made the playoffs or something?

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1 hour ago, JoeBurns23 said:

Uhh is it just me or did I actually list numbers and factual information while you continued to express your opinion. “I don’t like how they play”.. “but my best friend said they were mean too”.. “I’m having universal round table discussions” haha. What a joke. 
 

MavsChamp but Mavs Choke. 1 and Done again this year. You heard it first. HATE THAT FACT BOTHERS YOU. 

Wow this post smh. Whitehouse’s football history isn’t even close to Marshall’s 

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2 hours ago, JoeBurns23 said:

You never respect them? How does that even make sense. What year did that even happen? Should I never respect the Cowboys because I hated Barry Switzer? Should I never go to a McD’s because one time they got my order wrong? 
New coaches, new players, new many things happen.. but one thing that happens in 1987 is their identity forever? Interesting concept.
Would you like WH to deliberately pull out their starters next Friday if they go up 40?

2006 is when it Happened. What message does that send to kids ? Taking the easy way out, even though we would have won the game regardless. It always rubbed me the wrong way. They have a reputation and it’s not a great one. Oh and the up by 40 part. That’s comparing apples to oranges. It’s one thing to pull your starters after the game is in hand it’s another when you do it to try and lose a ball game to avoid a tougher opponent in the playoffs. 

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8 hours ago, JoeBurns23 said:

Uhh is it just me or did I actually list numbers and factual information while you continued to express your opinion

MavsChamp but Mavs Choke. 1 and Done 

You want some numbers and facts??  OK.... I'll give you some numbers and facts:

Marshall has won 4 district championships just since 2015..... that's the SAME number that Whitehouse has won in their ENTIRE history.

Marshall has been to THREE region semifinals in the last decade.  FOUR since 2007.  More than 10 overall. Whitehouse has been to..... ONE.  Ever.

Marshall has been to the state semifinals 7 times.  Whitehouse has been.... NEVER.

Marshall has played in THREE state championships.  Won a state title.  Whitehouse..... NOPE.  NOT.  EVEN.  CLOSE.

Marshall has 24 district championships.  Whitehouse has...... four.

Whitehouse playoff record is (8-15).   Eight playoff wins. Ever. We’ve had more playoff wins just in the last decade or so.   But we’ve had 34 playoff wins.... in case you didn’t know.  

Marshall has 626 all time-wins. Whitehouse has 248.

How's them numbers for ya?  I can go on.  I have more.  

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And it's not just MY opinion about WH.  It's a roundly.... widely accepted opinion by almost anyone that has been district mates with WH for the last two decades. 

And we may....or may not be one and done again this year.  We shall see.

But I'd rather be one and done again this year.... than have the history (or lack thereof) that Whitehouse has. 

Good God.... I'd be embarrassed.   

You're history might be worse than Pine Tree's. 

Talk smack when you grow up.  Or win something. 

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9 hours ago, JoeBurns23 said:

What year did that even happen? 

Yes, it did happen. I can’t tell you the year, but it was around 2005+/-. Texas High was a beast team. If Whitehouse won there game, Texas High would be their playoff opponent. They “rested” their starters and lost .... problem solved. Whitehouse’s reputation took a big hit. I agree, it was the coaches decision and not the kids. But as long as that coach was at Whitehouse, the school had no respect on this board. I have never attended a game a Whitehouse, so I offer no opinion of their “attitude”.

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18 hours ago, tomlandry said:

So let me ask this, how is the current coach developing players? Lane at Pine Tree has done a great job. Not sure about other coaches but he has taken us from zero to hero. 

Expectations are different. Most Pine Tree fans wanted a competitive team , compete for a District title or at least knock off a favorite, make the postseason. He has accomplished that and is a success. I remember when 5-5 was a outstanding season. You probably get fired for that at some schools.

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26 minutes ago, bordertown said:

Yes, it did happen. I can’t tell you the year, but it was around 2005+/-. Texas High was a beast team. If Whitehouse won there game, Texas High would be their playoff opponent. They “rested” their starters and lost .... problem solved. Whitehouse’s reputation took a big hit. I agree, it was the coaches decision and not the kids. But as long as that coach was at Whitehouse, the school had no respect on this board. I have never attended a game a Whitehouse, so I offer no opinion of their “attitude”.

This is true and Nac directly benefited from this occasion. No one wanted any part of Texas High but unfortunately Whitehouse would have in theory the strongest contender.  

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15 hours ago, nacdragon07 said:

I remember all too well cause I played on the team. WH deliberately pulling their starters to throw a game so they could avoid T high. That to me is the reason why I’ll never respect them. 

Didn’t y’all benefit from them for first playoff spot since early 90s or was that Marshall who got the short end of the stick? I wasn’t sure but remember what 💩 thing to do. 

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31 minutes ago, AllGoodNamesRGone said:

Didn’t y’all benefit from them for first playoff spot since early 90s or was that Marshall who got the short end of the stick? I wasn’t sure but remember what 💩 thing to do. 

I think Nac at this point would love another situation to benefit getting into the playoffs. They need all the help they can get!!

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