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Always thought that sentiment fit us Texans, but probably no more than now, as their hamfisted idiocy is reaching new heights, with explosive, record setting new cases of Covid. Watched a hearing where fine Floridians had an anti-mask rally and managed to tie masks to Satan. 

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We got off task, so this might firm things up. 
 
 
LA Times

Column: My apology to Florida Gov. DeSantis: Sorry, you're even worse than I imagined

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, left, with Vice President Mike Pence, lectures the media about how successful he's been in stemming coronavirus outbreaks — in May. Florida now is one of the worst pandemic hot spots in the country. <span class="copyright">(Associated Press)</span>
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, left, with Vice President Mike Pence, lectures the media about how successful he's been in stemming coronavirus outbreaks — in May. Florida now is one of the worst pandemic hot spots in the country. (Associated Press)

The trophy for outstanding self-own in coverage of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic may well have been secured by Rich Lowry, the editor of the conservative National Review, for a May 20 article headlined, "Where Does Ron DeSantis Go to Get His Apology?"

Lowry's goal was to defend the Tea Party-backed Republican governor's approach to the coronavirus crisis. DeSantis has "taken this seriously from the beginning, been immersed in the data and research, and crafted a well-considered response," Lowry wrote in an editorial accompanying the full article.

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Nevertheless, "The media has been portraying DeSantis as a yokel who was going to get Floridians killed with his lax approach," Lowry continued. "The conventional wisdom has begun to change about Florida, as the disaster so widely predicted hasn’t materialized."

We’ve succeeded, and I think that people just don’t want to recognize it because it challenges their narrative.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, declaring victory over the coronavirus on May 20

Lowry thus managed simultaneously to display his own cluelessness about the emerging catastrophe and set up DeSantis for a major reckoning. That's because the widely predicted disaster has now swept over Florida in full cry. Lowry, and DeSantis, declared victory much too early.

On Friday, state health officials confirmed 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, "nearly doubling the previous record of cases reported in a single day, two days earlier," reports the Miami Herald.

The percentage of tests coming back positive for COVID-19 also has soared, to 14.74% on Friday. That's well above the 10% threshold that public health officials say hints at an infection rate coming under control, and well above the national average of 5.5%.

We've reported on DeSantis' strategy and confidence of its wisdom before. Then, and now, we don't mean to pick on DeSantis for the surge in the pandemic within his state's borders. He's not the only governor to be grappling unsuccessfully with the coronavirus.

Infections have surged in other red states, notably Texas and Arizona, and in blue states too.

California, where Gov. Gavin Newsom instituted a first-in-the-nation stay-at-home order and has supported social distancing measures and the use of masks in public — and issued a mandatory mask order on June 16 — has experienced an alarming increase in cases.

As my colleague Taryn Luna reported, the number of hospitalized patients in California jumped 32% in the last two weeks to 4,240, double the two-week increase of 16% that Newsom had reported on Monday. The state's ratio of positive tests, however, has remained steady at about 5.1%.

Overall, 33 states are experiencing rising caseloads, so politics isn't necessarily the sole defining factor in the battle.

These trends point to the difficulty political leaders face in encouraging socially responsible antipandemic behavior, such as staying home and wearing masks, among residents who have become weary of restriction, especially against the backdrop of limited or no progress against the virus.

In California, Newsom has had to accommodate local officials and constituents who resist these policies by allowing them to reopen commercial establishments and public spaces even where the coronavirus is plainly not under control.

Florida restaurants taking reservations rose sharply though mid-January but have since fallen back. <span class="copyright">(Open Table)</span>
Florida restaurants taking reservations rose sharply though mid-January but have since fallen back. (Open Table)

So what makes DeSantis a special case? It's that he's a governor who turned the battle against COVID-19 into a political issue.

The chief politicizer of the battle, of course, has been President Trump, who from the start has depicted the crisis as a personal affront, treated antivirus measures as political darts aimed at himself, utterly refused to set an example for the public by participating in them, and portrayed success against the pandemic as political validation.

Now that the battle is being lost and more than 120,000 Americans have perished from the coronavirus on his watch, Trump is largely missing in action, as is the rest of his administration.

Consider how things might have turned out differently had he simply advised Americans to don masks in public and done so himself, as a model. Thousands of lives might have been saved and the notion that going about barefaced was some sort of political statement would have been stifled in its crib.

DeSantis has played the part of an apprentice Donald Trump for much of the pandemic period. He personalized criticism of the state's policies, as though it was all about him. He groused about having been the target of a “typical partisan narrative” forecasting a surge in disease cases tied to a purportedly premature reopening of Florida by commercial businesses and recreation areas.

He complained that the media had “waxed poetic for weeks and weeks about how Florida was going to be just like New York,” and boasted that it was anything but.

His March 24 order requiring visitors from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to quarantine for 14 days, aimed at "individuals fleeing to Florida from states where 'shelter-in-place' orders are being implemented, including from the New York Tri-State Area," seemed to play to a red state vs. blue state mentality.

That was especially so since Florida had thrown its beaches open to spring break carousing that threatened to export the disease nationwide. (Now the shoe is on the other foot, as Northeastern states that eventually brought their cases under control have imposed quarantines on travelers from Florida.)

“We’ve succeeded," DeSantis said on May 20, "and I think that people just don’t want to recognize it because it challenges their narrative.” That was the day that Lowry published his paean to DeSantis' superior wisdom in the National Review.

Other Republican governors played the same game. Like Trump, some of these governors tried to stem the pandemic by limiting the public's access to data, firing statistical analysts or even manipulating the figures.

Some went even further than DeSantis by actively interfering with local antivirus efforts. Arizona's Republican Gov. Doug Ducey forbade localities to require masks, though he lifted the restriction a week ago.

Ducey promoted the idea that the coronavirus was under control by lifting the state's stay-at-home order on May 15, despite warnings that was premature. Ten days later, the state's caseload began rising, reflecting the median time frame between exposure and symptoms. Arizona is now the nation's leading hot spot of infection growth.

In Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott oversaw one of the most recklessly inept responses in the nation. He didn't issue a stay-at-home order until April 2, then lifted it on April 30. He also forbade local officials to impose mask-wearing rules.

Texas has joined Arizona and Florida among the nation's top hot spots. Now all three are trying to step back from the brink. Ducey and Abbott have slowed their states' reopening. Abbott shut Texas bars back down, ordered restaurants to scale back capacity by 50% and banned outdoor gatherings of more than 100 people. DeSantis banned the sale of alcohol at Florida bars.

Yet the damage has been done. All three governors either explicitly or implicitly promoted the notion that behavior such as mask-wearing was a matter of individual choice, a warped expression of "peersonal freedom."

Freedom to infect your neighbors and become infected yourself, however, is no freedom at all. The political leaders who downplayed the magnitude of this public health crisis, took no action or blocked intelligent action, and preened about the liberty they afforded their states were playing politics for no other reason than personal gain. The virus is no respecter of politics, and it is making their constituents pay for their leaders' dereliction of duty.

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Had a Colorado woman scream at us for spreading disease in her town because we didn’t have a mask on at a pizza place.  The girl that brought her pizza to her wasn’t wearing a mask.  Then the screamer took her mask off to eat the pizza.  Kinda dumb I guess.  But that’s what I think of when I read some of Barry’s posts.  

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You’re not going to stop the spread of a virus.  Thinking you can is dumb.  The best thing moving forward is to advise those demographics matching the folks in the death totals to quarantine, stay home, etc...  the rest of everybody should carry on and just keep some distance while living life and working.  If you chose to wear a mask that’s your choice, same if you chose not to.  
 

the ones that get me are the 30 year old mothers that walk in a store wearing a mask and their 2 kids don’t have one.  Priorities priorities!

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Just now, BarryLaverty said:

I think that you giving yourself credit for thinking may be a little generous. 

Your post history says otherwise!  You get plum giddy when you think you’ve “got something” on the Republicans.  Most times you dont

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1 minute ago, BarryLaverty said:

Okay, this is where I post an article with scientists and specialists interviewed, and you two act like you are experts when you have not given credentials that I have asked for from you. Do you have those to share? 
 

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Does the governor have those precious credentials that you seek?

do you think that it’s legal for a governor to make a rule for everyone in his state to wear a mask? Cause that just ain’t so. Oh he could make a rule, but no one is under any legal obligation to follow it. 

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6 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Okay, this is where I post an article with scientists and specialists interviewed, and you two act like you are experts when you have not given credentials that I have asked for from you. Do you have those to share? 
 

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

And your article is trash. 

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9 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

Okay, this is where I post an article with scientists and specialists interviewed, and you two act like you are experts when you have not given credentials that I have asked for from you. Do you have those to share? 
 

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Don’t worry Bev, all the times you’ve posted liberal Opeds as fact didn’t prove anything.  
 

we’ve asked you to post things before only for you to ignore it.  It’s ok.  

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9 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said:

And your article is trash. 

Masks are only good if you wear them too.  Just like the Colorado  screaming woman, she took the mask off to yell at us then put it back on.  The took the mask off to eat in public.  She put the mask on to walk past folks then took it off when she sat back down.  It doesn’t matter if masks work if people aren’t wearing them properly.  And the disposable ones are supposed to be changed out periodically.  

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27 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

Don’t worry Bev, all the times you’ve posted liberal Opeds as fact didn’t prove anything.  
 

we’ve asked you to post things before only for you to ignore it.  It’s ok.  

So, your credentials are? Your background and work experience in infectious diseases? 

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20 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

So, your credentials are? Your background and work experience in infectious diseases? 

I’ll answer after you answer the multiple questions asked if you for the past couple of months.  I won’t hold my breath just like the last time I asked.

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1 hour ago, DB2point0 said:

I’ll answer after you answer the multiple questions asked if you for the past couple of months.  I won’t hold my breath just like the last time I asked.

Man, I have no clue of ANY 'questions' you think you asked me. I generally ignore loaded, leading nonsense that is transparent in its intent. This ain't my first rodeo. 
 

And, if you have any remote inkling of relevant medical background to this virus, I will root for the Yankees when MLB comes back. 

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1 hour ago, BarryLaverty said:

Man, I have no clue of ANY 'questions' you think you asked me. I generally ignore loaded, leading nonsense that is transparent in its intent. This ain't my first rodeo. 
 

And, if you have any remote inkling of relevant medical background to this virus, I will root for the Yankees when MLB comes back. 

It’s not always me who asked.  I remember multiple posters asked you to specifically list the crimes and corruption done by trump.  You’ve ignored that one for maybe a couple months.  It’s been brought back up a couple times in between too.  
 

I have no more medical background than you or the writers you link to.  I just see the fraudulent numbers on tv of cases increasing while the death % stays the same or goes down.  This virus gets less deadly the more people they test

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8 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

It’s not always me who asked.  I remember multiple posters asked you to specifically list the crimes and corruption done by trump.  You’ve ignored that one for maybe a couple months.  It’s been brought back up a couple times in between too.  
 

I have no more medical background than you or the writers you link to.  I just see the fraudulent numbers on tv of cases increasing while the death % stays the same or goes down.  This virus gets less deadly the more people they test

Even less if they Subtracted all of the deaths by other means that they “conveniently” added to the COVID death toll. Exaggeration at it’s finest. What happened to the Flu? Did COVID Eat it?😱

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34 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

It’s not always me who asked.  I remember multiple posters asked you to specifically list the crimes and corruption done by trump.  You’ve ignored that one for maybe a couple months.  It’s been brought back up a couple times in between too.  
 

I have no more medical background than you or the writers you link to.  I just see the fraudulent numbers on tv of cases increasing while the death % stays the same or goes down.  This virus gets less deadly the more people they test

I have listed out endlessly the corruption, the illegalities, the emoluments, the long pattern of mobster dealings over the last 50 years, so I really don't have to do it again on command, so you can defect and deny and bluster. 
Sad that you are among the 30% left that hasn't tired of his reality show. 

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52 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

I have listed out endlessly the corruption, the illegalities, the emoluments, the long pattern of mobster dealings over the last 50 years, so I really don't have to do it again on command, so you can defect and deny and bluster. 
Sad that you are among the 30% left that hasn't tired of his reality show. 

Yeah that whole Vietnam Conflict was cooked up by LBJ & the Military Industrial Complex following the Assassination of JFK in Dealy Plaza on 11-22-1963 & made Billion$ for him & his co-conspirators.  You want to talk about “mobster dealings”? There is no better example in American History, Sir. SMFH🤨🙄

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