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56 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

I think that would be a great addition. But I think anyone who is willing to emotionally detach themselves from the subject, to let go of political ideology and look at this whole thing empirically brings a lot of value to the conversation.

Ok here goes - long post alert.  I have had it.  My family attended a wedding on June 6th.  About 100 people were in attendance. We did not wear masks even though we brought them.  On June 8th we started exhibiting mild allergy type symptoms - running nose, cough, sneezing, scratchy throat.  No one had a fever.  The first confirmed Covid-19 case from the wedding attendees was diagnosed on June 11th, two more June 12th and two more June 13th.  My family tested June 15th and all were positive except my son who tested negative.  To date 25+ people who attended the wedding have tested positive with many more choosing not to get tested or were asymptotic.
 

My experience has been mild.  I would describe it as cold/allergy or light flu-like symptoms never leaving my head.  No fever and never felt like I needed to go to a Dr.  I did lose my sense of taste and smell around June 13th and they didn’t start returning until around June 24th.  That was weird.
 

My wife’s experience has been much different.  It got into her lungs after a week and she can not shake it.  She had severe headaches and body pains and also lost her taste and smell.  She has no energy and the smallest task will drain her and she has to lay down.  She spent the night in the hospital June 23rd because she could not catch her breath.  They diagnosed her with pneumonia in both lungs but Covid-19 test came back negative.  Since discharge on June 24th she has been on breathing treatments every four hours, hydroxachloroquine, steroids, antibiotics, 10 different vitamins and an all vegan diet.  
 

My largest concern with the medical field as a whole is there is not a plan to deal with those patients who can’t get well in 14 days on meds and rest.  “Come back to the ER if you don’t feel well” is not a plan.  And we don’t feel she needs to be hospitalized at this time as there are others who are far worse off.  Also there is not a mandatory retest to ensure you are not still positive after the 14 days.  Why?  My wife has not made much progress in the last week and we are referring her to a Pulmonary Specialist to continue treatment and get better.

My son has been tested three times since June 15th and all have come back negative.  He was in the wedding, was at the same table as us for the reception, rode in the car with us home and did not leave the home from June 8-15th when we should have been contagious.  He has not had any symptoms the entire time.  Maybe eating dirt as a child finally paid off!

As for Covid-19, I respect it much more now than I did before.  It is HIGHLY contagious in tight spaces with an active case.  It is real and can certainly lead to severe complications or death if not treated in a timely manner.  It is not the flu.  I tend to think the risk is less with surface contact than reported in the media.  I believe the value of masks in public places is to protect others by limiting your droplets from talking, coughing or sneezing (which is where I believe the largest threat of spread is).  The mask is not meant as a barrier to keep you from getting infected.  Recognize the early symptoms and don’t discount them as allergy related if you have them.  Don’t assume you will have a fever because that is not the primary symptom IMO.  If you think you might have Covid-19 go get tested.  If you test positive stay home and don’t risk getting others sick.  If you test positive go get retested with a negative result after 14 days before you return to normal activities.  It’s the right thing to do.

As for the fall, I support the kids going back to school and resuming extra curricular activities with necessary adjustments.  No need to flip the fall/spring.  It adds no value IMO.  This thing is here to stay and I think we are going to have to deal with it eventually vs hiding from it in fear.  Is it going to put stress on our hospital network - yes.  Will more people die from it - yes.  But total shutdown until it’s gone is not a realistic alternative either.  The mental damage in that scenario is likely more harmful than the physical.

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Ok here goes - long post alert.  I have had it.  My family attended a wedding on June 6th.  About 100 people were in attendance. We did not wear masks even though we brought them.  On June 8th we star

Umm, hate to break it to you, but you are the one that seems to be on a high horse.    And you are still missing the part about people referring to experts. It reads like you are trying to conv

The original post was about TAPPS which is what I was referring too. I’m well aware that the UIL has said it’s a rumor. I guess in your head if it’s not UIL it doesn’t matter and is impossible to happ

2 hours ago, DawgNation2015 said:

Ok here goes - long post alert.  I have had it.  My family attended a wedding on June 6th.  About 100 people were in attendance. We did not wear masks even though we brought them.  On June 8th we started exhibiting mild allergy type symptoms - running nose, cough, sneezing, scratchy throat.  No one had a fever.  The first confirmed Covid-19 case from the wedding attendees was diagnosed on June 11th, two more June 12th and two more June 13th.  My family tested June 15th and all were positive except my son who tested negative.  To date 25+ people who attended the wedding have tested positive with many more choosing not to get tested or were asymptotic.
 

My experience has been mild.  I would describe it as cold/allergy or light flu-like symptoms never leaving my head.  No fever and never felt like I needed to go to a Dr.  I did lose my sense of taste and smell around June 13th and they didn’t start returning until around June 24th.  That was weird.
 

My wife’s experience has been much different.  It got into her lungs after a week and she can not shake it.  She had severe headaches and body pains and also lost her taste and smell.  She has no energy and the smallest task will drain her and she has to lay down.  She spent the night in the hospital June 23rd because she could not catch her breath.  They diagnosed her with pneumonia in both lungs but Covid-19 test came back negative.  Since discharge on June 24th she has been on breathing treatments every four hours, hydroxachloroquine, steroids, antibiotics, 10 different vitamins and an all vegan diet.  
 

My largest concern with the medical field as a whole is there is not a plan to deal with those patients who can’t get well in 14 days on meds and rest.  “Come back to the ER if you don’t feel well” is not a plan.  And we don’t feel she needs to be hospitalized at this time as there are others who are far worse off.  Also there is not a mandatory retest to ensure you are not still positive after the 14 days.  Why?  My wife has not made much progress in the last week and we are referring her to a Pulmonary Specialist to continue treatment and get better.

My son has been tested three times since June 15th and all have come back negative.  He was in the wedding, was at the same table as us for the reception, rode in the car with us home and did not leave the home from June 8-15th when we should have been contagious.  He has not had any symptoms the entire time.  Maybe eating dirt as a child finally paid off!

As for Covid-19, I respect it much more now than I did before.  It is HIGHLY contagious in tight spaces with an active case.  It is real and can certainly lead to severe complications or death if not treated in a timely manner.  It is not the flu.  I tend to think the risk is less with surface contact than reported in the media.  I believe the value of masks in public places is to protect others by limiting your droplets from talking, coughing or sneezing (which is where I believe the largest threat of spread is).  The mask is not meant as a barrier to keep you from getting infected.  Recognize the early symptoms and don’t discount them as allergy related if you have them.  Don’t assume you will have a fever because that is not the primary symptom IMO.  If you think you might have Covid-19 go get tested.  If you test positive stay home and don’t risk getting others sick.  If you test positive go get retested with a negative result after 14 days before you return to normal activities.  It’s the right thing to do.

As for the fall, I support the kids going back to school and resuming extra curricular activities with necessary adjustments.  No need to flip the fall/spring.  It adds no value IMO.  This thing is here to stay and I think we are going to have to deal with it eventually vs hiding from it in fear.  Is it going to put stress on our hospital network - yes.  Will more people die from it - yes.  But total shutdown until it’s gone is not a realistic alternative either.  The mental damage in that scenario is likely more harmful than the physical.

Great post!! I respect COVID-19, but am not going to be ruined by it in shutting down my life to keep from getting it. 
We cannot continue to kill our citizens’ livelihoods in order to hide from coronavirus. 

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33 minutes ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

Great post!! I respect COVID-19, but am not going to be ruined by it in shutting down my life to keep from getting it. 
We cannot continue to kill our citizens’ livelihoods in order to hide from coronavirus. 

Thanks.  There is a fine line between not living in fear and being irresponsible.  I agree we are all going to have to face this giant at some point.  But if you have it you need to stay at home until you test negative so you don’t get other people sick.

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7 hours ago, KirtFalcon said:

I think the whole virus thing is overblown ... let it run it's course in the younger healthy population ... protect the elderly and vulnerable ... 

you mean Darwinism?  Survival of the fittest :p 

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2 hours ago, MavGrad99 said:

you mean Darwinism?  Survival of the fittest :p 

No, not Darwinism  ...  just let it naturally run it's course ... the vast majority of people will get it and get over it, much like the flu or a cold ... it will also boost immunity  ....  I have heard exactly that from a lot of healthcare people ....

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11 hours ago, KirtFalcon said:

No, not Darwinism  ...  just let it naturally run it's course ... the vast majority of people will get it and get over it, much like the flu or a cold ... it will also boost immunity  ....  I have heard exactly that from a lot of healthcare people ....

You've heard it from me.  But it is essentially Darwinism... Survival of the fittest.  You get it, you survive, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you get over it, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you die, Game over.  

I am okay with all of those scenarios.

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51 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said:

You've heard it from me.  But it is essentially Darwinism... Survival of the fittest.  You get it, you survive, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you get over it, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you die, Game over.  

I am okay with all of those scenarios.

Is it truly Darwinism, though? I think yes and no, depending on which age demographic you fall into. If you're a Millennial and younger, then yes, there is some Darwinism at play here. But Darwinian theory doesn't involve the survival of the fittest individual, necessarily, but the survival of the fittest biological traits which ensure reproduction and the next generation of a species. So if you look at Coronavirus and the subsets of our population which are most effected, the numbers show it's MOSTLY (not 100% completely) in the Boomers/older Gen X'ers. Those two generations have already passed on their biological traits, by and large. That generation is now finished reproducing and contributing, genetically speaking, to the survival of the species. Also, because those in these age brackets/demographics are older, they have a naturally lowered immune response, which is to be expected over time. Perhaps in their younger years they had a perfectly balanced immune response and passed those genetic traits on, and perhaps that has contributed a great deal to the Millennial/Gen Z and younger populations success in dealing with the pandemic. Now, however, with a slowed, or perhaps imbalanced immune response, the older population is at a much higher risk of infection, secondary complications and obviously death.

So yes, in conclusion, there is some Darwinism taking place, as there always is, but only, perhaps, in terms of the generations which are still reproducing, or which will reproduce in the future. That means if you're an older Gen-X or Boomer, it simply comes down to how well your immune system and immune response has held up and stayed balanced in the years after your genetic reproductive window.

Thank you for reading my wildly amateur, totally unprofessional and completely tongue-in-cheek thesis on Darwinian Theory in the time of COVID-19.

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3 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

Is it truly Darwinism, though? I think yes and no, depending on which age demographic you fall into. If you're a Millennial and younger, then yes, there is some Darwinism at play here. But Darwinian theory doesn't involve the survival of the fittest individual, necessarily, but the survival of the fittest biological traits which ensure reproduction and the next generation of a species. So if you look at Coronavirus and the subsets of our population which are most effected, the numbers show it's MOSTLY (not 100% completely) in the Boomers/older Gen X'ers. Those two generations have already passed on their biological traits, by and large. That generation is now finished reproducing and contributing, genetically speaking, to the survival of the species. Also, because those in these age brackets/demographics are older, they have a naturally lowered immune response, which is to be expected over time. Perhaps in their younger years they had a perfectly balanced immune response and passed those genetic traits on, and perhaps that has contributed a great deal to the Millennial/Gen Z and younger populations success in dealing with the pandemic. Now, however, with a slowed, or perhaps imbalanced immune response, the older population is at a much higher risk of infection, secondary complications and obviously death.

So yes, in conclusion, there is some Darwinism taking place, as there always is, but only, perhaps, in terms of the generations which are still reproducing, or which will reproduce in the future. That means if you're an older Gen-X or Boomer, it simply comes down to how well your immune system and immune response has held up and stayed balanced in the years after your genetic reproductive window.

Thank you for reading my wildly amateur, totally unprofessional and completely tongue-in-cheek thesis on Darwinian Theory in the time of COVID-19.

Please tell me you are a science teacher somewhere :lol: 

And as long as @KirtFalcon and @WestHardinfan1 are still alive, the seed of their generation (The Renaissance Era) will continue to live and spread like wildfire.  Kirt's days in the National Guard left him with children all over the world.

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2 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said:

Please tell me you are a science teacher somewhere :lol: 

And as long as @KirtFalcon and @WestHardinfan1 are still alive, the seed of their generation (The Renaissance Era) will continue to live and spread like wildfire.  Kirt's days in the National Guard left him with children all over the world.

LoL Lord help the students who took a science class with me!! Just trying out some high-brow irony for my Netflix special I hope to get someday.

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37 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

LoL Lord help the students who took a science class with me!! Just trying out some high-brow irony for my Netflix special I hope to get someday.

You just need good looks and a good voice to get a Netflix special

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The oldest Boomers are turning 74 this year. The generation born before 1946 is known as the Silent Generation. They are the ones dying at the highest rate right now. You just aren't as aware of them because they are silent. 😂

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17 minutes ago, Tatum_DirtyBird said:

Have you seen some of the people on Netflix? Good looks are optional. 🤣🤣🤣

I started watching "DARK" on netflix yesterday...  You should hear the voice overs for these Russian actors... apparently a good voice is optional too lol...

The story is very intriguing though... makes me wish I knew Russian so I wouldnt have to deal with the bad American voices

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50 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said:

You just need good looks and a good voice to get a Netflix special

Well, never mind then.

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3 hours ago, ctown81 said:

So just so you guys can have football, you're willing to basically give the kids who play spring sports the short end of the stick?

No need for that ... just carry on with both ...

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2 hours ago, MavGrad99 said:

You've heard it from me.  But it is essentially Darwinism... Survival of the fittest.  You get it, you survive, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you get over it, you live life.  You get it, you get sick, you die, Game over.  

I am okay with all of those scenarios.

That's called life ... none of us is guaranteed how long we will live ... all are subject to expire at any time for a multitude of reasons ... I don't need government to dictate my life circumstances ...

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20 hours ago, DawgNation2015 said:

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As for Covid-19, I respect it much more now than I did before.  It is HIGHLY contagious in tight spaces with an active case.  It is real and can certainly lead to severe complications or death if not treated in a timely manner.  It is not the flu.  I tend to think the risk is less with surface contact than reported in the media.  I believe the value of masks in public places is to protect others by limiting your droplets from talking, coughing or sneezing (which is where I believe the largest threat of spread is).  The mask is not meant as a barrier to keep you from getting infected.  Recognize the early symptoms and don’t discount them as allergy related if you have them.  Don’t assume you will have a fever because that is not the primary symptom IMO.  If you think you might have Covid-19 go get tested.  If you test positive stay home and don’t risk getting others sick.  If you test positive go get retested with a negative result after 14 days before you return to normal activities.  It’s the right thing to do.

As for the fall, I support the kids going back to school and resuming extra curricular activities with necessary adjustments.  No need to flip the fall/spring.  It adds no value IMO.  This thing is here to stay and I think we are going to have to deal with it eventually vs hiding from it in fear.  Is it going to put stress on our hospital network - yes.  Will more people die from it - yes.  But total shutdown until it’s gone is not a realistic alternative either.  The mental damage in that scenario is likely more harmful than the physical.

Right on the money IMHO and basically the same thing my sister-in-law, a recently retired ER nurse with 30+ years experience, told me.

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3 hours ago, Bonecrushr said:

Right on the money IMHO and basically the same thing my sister-in-law, a recently retired ER nurse with 30+ years experience, told me.

My fiance who's a nurse said the same thing. California is one place that's taking this very seriously. I'm in the Fresno area and EVERYONE is wearing a mask. Most stores stop you at the door if you're not wearing one.

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