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Coach Rab Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Let's change the name of the ****ing city too. Idiots 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Although, I don't care if they change it to something like Tyler East and Tyler West etc... but you still have Tyler, the city, named after.... *gasp* John Tyler *gasp* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, MavGrad99 said: Although, I don't care if they change it to something like Tyler East and Tyler West etc... but you still have Tyler, the city, named after.... *gasp* John Tyler *gasp* Smith County. James Smith was a general during the Texas Revolution. He was from South Carolina and fought in the Creek Indian Wars. Shine the spotlight on that with today’s morals and see what turns up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 If Tyler ISD is going to rename Lee then you have to look at John Tyler too. Will the city be renamed? Will the county? Rename both or none. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I find it ironic that the Tyler ISD is thinking of changing the name of John Tyler HS. I guess erasing history is like eating an elephant, one bite at a time. Someday, somewhere, somebody is going to have the cajones to say, “Not Here”. Btw, PNG has had an approval since 1978 from the Cherokee Nation to use the Mascot Indians, and Cherokee as their fight song. Now the head of the Cherokee Nation (evidently a very sensitive person), has rescinded the approval. Now PNG folks are on the warpath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, MavGrad99 said: Let's change the name of the ****ing city too. Idiots You seem very bothered by this. Not in your city or community, so why are you losing your sh"t over it? You pay taxes there? If Tyler taxpayers wanna change it, let em. Only thing that'll be interesting to me is the amount of new stuff that will already need to be changed. Lee and JT opening up new schools this fall, with the school names already engraved. New turf coming to Rose, who knows what that design looks like. New uniforms already in route that'll need to be changed...etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Stoney said: After the failed treasonous coup attempt on President Trump by Obama and his corrupt underlings, I am offended by all the schools, highways, buildings and bridges named after Barack Hussein Obama .... they all should be renamed.... Edited July 12, 2020 by KirtFalcon yo mama 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, ANTI said: You seem very bothered by this. Not in your city or community, so why are you losing your sh"t over it? You pay taxes there? If Tyler taxpayers wanna change it, let em. Only thing that'll be interesting to me is the amount of new stuff that will already need to be changed. Lee and JT opening up new schools this fall, with the school names already engraved. New turf coming to Rose, who knows what that design looks like. New uniforms already in route that'll need to be changed...etc. That is what I am talking about. If you change the name of the schools because they are offensive, then you have a lot of soul searching to do in that town. How does one go about changing a city name? Who knows how many civil war references there are in the city of Tyler. John Tyler was a slave owner. The city is named after him. So the reason for me being "bothered" is why are you starting at the bottom with the schools instead of starting at the top. Take down the city name and you have set precedent to change it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Pure stupidity....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Stupidity is ideolizing anything confederate related.. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Raiderfan7000 said: Who is doing this? Lot of people do. Whether they man up and admit it or not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, ANTI said: Stupidity is ideolizing anything confederate related.. Stupidity is condemning half of an entire nation over 150 years later. It was a different time and a different culture. Yes slavery is wrong, but not all of the south owned slaves or was pro slavery. Many southerners fought for their homes, their land, and their families and countrymen. This may blow your mind, but there were some good people that lived in the South during the time of slavery. Obviously, there were plenty of evil men as well on both sides. Those people are dead and gone and God has already judged them. Maybe we should never make statues for any man or woman, because we are all guilty of sin and wrongdoing or maybe we just happened to live at a time where things were culturally acceptable during our lifetime even if we didn’t agree. I think abortion is evil, but it is acceptable in our culture today. I hope there comes a time where it is illegal and people feel the same way towards it as they do slavery. 200 years from now they may be tearing down all of the statues of people during our time because they lived during the abortion era! The point is, if someone or something has to be perfect to have a statute or have something named for them/it, there should only be statues of Jesus Christ, because he was the only perfect person. I mean how much good does someone have to do to cover up their mistakes or the mistakes of their contemporaries to be honored or revered? 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtsmith112 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, NATUREBOY98 said: Gregg county was named after General John Gregg of the CSA. Maybe it should be changed too. You’re going to be hard pressed not to find a county or town not named after someone with a dubious history. I don’t understand it. US Grant was torn down. The guy that lead the Union Army. A Lincoln statue is being targeted because there is a black man kneeling at his feet. Nobody thought it was important to find out who funded that piece of art. It was purchased by freed slaves. They wanted it up. Obama was in office for 8 years. Ferguson, Baltimore, Trayvon Martin and countless others were killed on his watch. I never heard of any statues or changing of names during his tenure. In the name of diversity they should join the two schools and call it Earl Campbell High School. If you never heard of any of this before Obama, then you must have had your head in the sand. People have tried for decades to get the name of R.E.L off of schools across America and yes including here in Tyler. Maybe if these schools and America taught the real history of America, then people wouldn't have a problem with these statues, instead of glorifying these people who committed treason against the United States. You have textbooks used to teach our students in Texas, that "workers" from Africa were immigrants, instead of calling them enslaved human beings. These slaves were chained, forced to work long hours, were beaten, raped, murdered with little to no compensation. How about some statues of the slaves that fought back or the people in the south that spoke out against this inhuman behavior? The people against the name change and for the Confederacy are quick to point out that we're erasing history, but lets tell all of the history instead of glorifying these murders, rapists and torturers . There is a place for REL and these other traitors against America and that place is a museum. That way the people that really want to learn about the history of the Civil War and slavery can actually learn about the good and bad of these people, and not some statue that was most likely put up to promote supremacy or used to invoke fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Change the name of the town too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, ANTI said: Stupidity is ideolizing anything confederate related.. No stupidity is erasing history like it never happened.....notice GERMANY left Auschwitz up so THEY wouldn't forget and have it happen again....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellon Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Stoney said: If Tyler ISD is going to rename Lee then you have to look at John Tyler too. Will the city be renamed? Will the county? Rename both or none. Just don't use my tax dollars for the re-naming. Every school in Tyler has been rebuilt in the past several years, so the tax payer has paid his/her fair share. If people are so dead serious on this issue then they can contribute to the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleborn Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Raiderfan7000 said: Wait until he finds out the first legal slave owner was black and successfully sued to keep them in the 1600s . We won’t get into the actually sold said slaves to the white peoples. I’m sure that’s known by a lot but just overlooked. Doesn’t fit agenda. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, Raiderfan7000 said: You sure do seem to get worked up about these backwoods East Texans You sure do follow me around this forum a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: No Not a surprising answer coming from you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Raiderfan7000 said: Well it is a sports forum. Yet, you hardly have anything to say to me concerning sports. Even more interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, ANTI said: Not a surprising answer coming from you. 28 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: No stupidity is erasing history like it never happened.....notice GERMANY left Auschwitz up so THEY wouldn't forget and have it happen again....... Whats not surprising is you lie about my quote.....typical....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: No stupidity is erasing history like it never happened.....notice GERMANY left Auschwitz up so THEY wouldn't forget and have it happen again....... Yeah, but I doubt kids are attending Adolf Hitler High School in Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Valhalla said: Yeah, but I doubt kids are attending Adolf Hitler High School in Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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