CarthDawg77 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Mavchamp said: I just don't like the direction the GOP has taken. it's like the plane has been highjacked by a terrorist. And my greatest fear is that the party has been damaged generationally when Trump leaves office... be it in 2020 or in 2024. The backlash could be monumental...... all the good that has been done for decades could be undone in a snap... That bothers me No matter who runs in 2024, my ticket will be Jim Jordan/Trey Gowdy & I don’t care which one heads the ticket; I like both of them equally and feel they would be great for America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Im not a Republican....im a conservative....all you moderate chamber of commerce Republicans almost went hand in hand with the dims and destroyed this great nation..... You do realize that most Americans...... no matter if they identify as republican or democrat.... identify as moderates. Most democrats have no interest in socialism. Most republicans aren't (what use to be called) Tea Partiers. The far right and the far left doesn't resonate with most Americans. Most are centrists.... they want compromise in most areas. The refusal to negotiate is what has given rise to nutjobs like Bernie Sanders getting national attention.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Mavchamp said: You do realize that most Americans...... no matter if they identify as republican or democrat.... identify as moderates. Most democrats have no interest in socialism. Most republicans aren't (what use to be called) Tea Partiers. The far right and the far left doesn't resonate with most Americans. Most are centrists.... they want compromise in most areas. The refusal to negotiate is what has given rise to nutjobs like Bernie Sanders getting national attention.... Prove that......youve been brainwashed by the establishment...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 @Mavchamp why do YOU think Obama won 2 terms??.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, WestHardinfan1 said: @Mavchamp why do YOU think Obama won 2 terms??.. Obama was partially elected as a backlash against a very unpopular George W. But also because the GOP did not pick the best candidate to beat him in either election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 No....obama was elected because conservatives like me either sat out or voted 3rd party....you moderate chamber of commerce establishment guys put up mccain and Romney....no difference between them and a dim.....you guys better wake up and realize that without US you cant win........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Without hard right wingers like me the GOP is dead...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Prove that......youve been brainwashed by the establishment...... Brainwashed by the establishment? I'm sick of BOTH parties. I loathe them equally at this moment. That's about as anti-establishment as you can get. You are blinded by anything in opposition to your national savior. Like I said..... I'm willing to bet you wouldn't even have the cojones to call out his BS publically even if you privately believed he was wrong about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Mavchamp said: Brainwashed by the establishment? I'm sick of BOTH parties. I loathe them equally at this moment. That's about as anti-establishment as you can get. Then you should be the biggest Trump supporter on here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, WestHardinfan1 said: No....obama was elected because conservatives like me either sat out or voted 3rd party....you moderate chamber of commerce establishment guys put up mccain and Romney....no difference between them and a dim.....you guys better wake up and realize that without US you cant win........ I didn't vote for McCain or Romney is the primaries. Nor did I vote for Trump in the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, WestHardinfan1 said: Then you should be the biggest Trump supporter on here..... Why? Because he SAYS he's a republican. Because he SAYS he's a Christian? Words are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: I didn't vote for McCain or Romney is the primaries. Nor did I vote for Trump in the primaries. I didnt vote for any of them in the primary....only one I voted for in general was Trump...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: Why? Because he SAYS he's a republican. Because he SAYS he's a Christian? Words are cheap. Republican is irrelevant.....his pro-life ACTIONS are enough for me....his administration prosecuting child traffickers is enough for me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, WestHardinfan1 said: I didnt vote for any of them in the primary....only one I voted for in general was Trump...... I couldn't do it....... as a Christian I could not give my vote to a man that joked about "grabbing them by the p****". Among many other things... but that's the one that stood out to me. I couldn't give a free pass like the rest of the party did. Judge me all you want. But that was my conviction. I stand by it. No apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, WestHardinfan1 said: Republican is irrelevant.....his pro-life ACTIONS are enough for me....his administration prosecuting child traffickers is enough for me..... Didn't realize we were a one or two issue nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: I just don't like the direction the GOP has taken. it's like the plane has been highjacked by a terrorist. And my greatest fear is that the party has been damaged generationally when Trump leaves office... be it in 2020 or in 2024. The backlash could be monumental...... all the good that has been done for decades could be undone in a snap... That bothers me What good has been done for decades? The 8 before Trump just about buried us. Less than 50% of Americans were paying taxes. Over 50% were receiving some sort of govt handout or benefit. Trump had turned that around in 3 years. Then the left wing media saw a way to turn an unknown into the boogeyman to help the Dems out. as I said earlier, if you’re looking for a country that is in fact Christian founded you should move there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: I couldn't do it....... as a Christian I could not give my vote to a man that joked about "grabbing them by the p****". Among many other things... but that's the one that stood out to me. I couldn't give a free pass like the rest of the party did. Judge me all you want. But that was my conviction. I stand by it. No apologies. Lol...im not judging you...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: That's not even up for debate. I don't think he's a republican....... he's highjacked the party. And while it's not my place to judge.... I don't think he's a Christian. His actions and his mouth don't show it. So you’re not going to vote at all since no “Christians in your eyes” are running? My bet is you’re looking for a reason to vote for Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: Didn't realize we were a one or two issue nation. Those two along with pervert marriage are the issues CHRISTIANS vote to end...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: What good has been done for decades? The 8 before Trump just about buried us. Less than 50% of Americans were paying taxes. Over 50% were receiving some sort of govt handout or benefit. Trump had turned that around in 3 years. Then the left wing media saw a way to turn an unknown into the boogeyman to help the Dems out. as I said earlier, if you’re looking for a country that is in fact Christian founded you should move there We disagree.... MOVE Is t that that overplayed by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Mavchamp said: We disagree.... MOVE Is t that that overplayed by now? God has NEVER used perfect men to lead His people.....study Samson....or even David...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mavchamp said: I couldn't do it....... as a Christian I could not give my vote to a man that joked about "grabbing them by the p****". Among many other things... but that's the one that stood out to me. I couldn't give a free pass like the rest of the party did. Judge me all you want. But that was my conviction. I stand by it. No apologies. So you have proof he said it. All I ever seen/heard about that was a video of his voice. People can imitate voices. Whether he said it or not, I don’t really care. I’ve never been perfect so I can’t just somebody else on account of their past. All I can do is who puts our country in the best position for success. Trump does, Biden doesn’t. You can stand by whatever you want, but when you don’t exercise your right to vote you have no grounds to gripe when things are awful. And things could be way worse than right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, WestHardinfan1 said: God has NEVER used perfect men to lead His people.....study Samson....or even David...... You’re comparing Trump to Samson and David????? wowzers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Mavchamp said: You’re comparing Trump to Samson and David????? wowzers. None of the 3 were perfect....in fact Samson was much worse than Trump morally.....and David was a murderer......so there's that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Again.... I see nothing but defending. How do y’all feel about his rapport with Kim Jin-U.N.? Honestly? Putin? Are you capable of criticizing him When he’s wrong? Or do you think he’s never wrong. Free pass after free pass is all I’m seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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