BarryLaverty Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 https://www.nbcnews.com/msnbc/rachel-maddow-show/instead-creating-scandal-giuliani-s-middle-one-ncna1243996 Instead of Creating A Scandal, Rudy Is One By Steve Benen It must've seemed like a good idea at the time. Rudy Giuliani and his allies apparently thought they could package an anti-Biden smear, hand it to a media ally, and watch as the closing the weeks of the 2020 presidential race focus on their "October Surprise." It'd fundamentally change the trajectory of the election and put Donald Trump in a position to hold onto power. It's not quite working out that way. As we've discussed, Giuliani and Steve Bannon delivered an anti-Biden smear to the New York Post, and the conservative tabloid ran its literally unbelievable story last week. The article was filled with convoluted details involving Hunter Biden, a Ukrainian gas company, an alleged laptop, some alleged emails, and an unnamed shop owner in Delaware. Of course, the underlying premise of the allegations were discredited quite a while ago, which is why most major news organizations had the good sense to steer clear of the Post's reporting. As scrutiny of the scheme intensified, we learned that many inside the tabloid disagreed with the decision to publish the anti-Biden article. But more importantly, they're not the only ones with concerns. The entire mess is now being investigated by federal authorities as potentially being part of a hostile foreign influence operation illegally targeting our election. Indeed, Politico published this report overnight: More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden's son "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." These dozens of former officials added that their extensive national security experience has left them "deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case" and cited several elements of the story that suggested the Kremlin's hand at work. "If we are right," they added, "this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election, and we believe strongly that Americans need to be aware of this." Jeremy Bash, who's served as the chief of staff at both the Pentagon and the CIA, told Rachel on the show last night that every intelligence professional he's spoken to about Giuliani's scheme agrees that "this walks like a Russian disinformation campaign, this talks like a Russian intelligence disinformation campaign, [and] this is most likely a Russian intelligence disinformation campaign against the Biden team." Did Giuliani not see this coming? Evidently, his plan was to partner with an active Russian agent, shrug as U.S intelligence professionals warned the White House to be warry of his information, and then pretend to have the necessary credibility needed to smear Donald Trump's rival with information that's being investigated as being part of a possible foreign intelligence operation. Instead of creating a scandal, Rudy Giuliani has found himself in the middle of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
https://www.nbcnews.com/msnbc/rachel-maddow-show/instead-creating-scandal-giuliani-s-middle-one-ncna1243996 Instead of Creating A Scandal, Rudy Is One By Steve Benen It must've seemed like a good idea at the time. Rudy Giuliani and his allies apparently thought they could package an anti-Biden smear, hand it to a media ally, and watch as the closing the weeks of the 2020 presidential race focus on their "October Surprise." It'd fundamentally change the trajectory of the election and put Donald Trump in a position to hold onto power. It's not quite working out that way. As we've discussed, Giuliani and Steve Bannon delivered an anti-Biden smear to the New York Post, and the conservative tabloid ran its literally unbelievable story last week. The article was filled with convoluted details involving Hunter Biden, a Ukrainian gas company, an alleged laptop, some alleged emails, and an unnamed shop owner in Delaware. Of course, the underlying premise of the allegations were discredited quite a while ago, which is why most major news organizations had the good sense to steer clear of the Post's reporting. As scrutiny of the scheme intensified, we learned that many inside the tabloid disagreed with the decision to publish the anti-Biden article. But more importantly, they're not the only ones with concerns. The entire mess is now being investigated by federal authorities as potentially being part of a hostile foreign influence operation illegally targeting our election. Indeed, Politico published this report overnight: More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden's son "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation." These dozens of former officials added that their extensive national security experience has left them "deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case" and cited several elements of the story that suggested the Kremlin's hand at work.
KirtFalcon Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Low grade birdcage liner .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Your informal fallacy for today is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: Your informal fallacy for today is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma My personal belief is that it's BOTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: My personal belief is that it's BOTH. Who cares....you don't even have enough character to disavow a party that OPENLY supports rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and meth heads....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryLaverty Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, RETIREDFAN1 said: Who cares....you don't even have enough character to disavow a party that OPENLY supports rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and meth heads....... You going to judge my character when you OPENLY support a party with a leader who has been accused many, many times of sexual assault, who has a person in leadership in Congress in Jim Jordan who looked the other way while molestation is going on, who has PLENTY of murderers, pedophiles, and meth heads among its ranks? You go first, QRetired, and call out the transgressors in your party, or you are just showing your self as a completely amoral and cynical political soul, trotting out that nonsense repeatedly. And, by the way, with Trump in the White House and his lack of leadership regarding COVID? Deaths 220K +517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: You going to judge my character when you OPENLY support a party with a leader who has been accused many, many times of sexual assault, who has a person in leadership in Congress in Jim Jordan who looked the other way while molestation is going on, who has PLENTY of murderers, pedophiles, and meth heads among its ranks? You go first, QRetired, and call out the transgressors in your party, or you are just showing your self as a completely amoral and cynical political soul, trotting out that nonsense repeatedly. And, by the way, with Trump in the White House and his lack of leadership regarding COVID? Deaths 220K +517 EVIDENCE does not exist to back up ANY of that BS.....it has all been debunked........YOU however, support a candidate who's son has a laptop clearly containing child porn and drug use......a party whose presidential candidate OPENLY visited a known rapist........your character and that of anyone who supports the democratic party is in question and will remain so....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTman7 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: EVIDENCE does not exist to back up ANY of that BS.....it has all been debunked........YOU however, support a candidate who's son has a laptop clearly containing child porn and drug use......a party whose presidential candidate OPENLY visited a known rapist........your character and that of anyone who supports the democratic party is in question and will remain so....... I think you struck a nerve with ol' Bunny . Hot button word for future reference: Character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadowKnows Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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