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The only thing more common than bandwagon Chiefs fans are the numbers of East Texas people who suddenly claim to be relatives of the Mahomes family.  If my Facebook is any indication, dude has like 50

The same folks that are “life long” fans of the Golden State Warriors and Kansas City Chiefs. Pre- Steph Curry even the players Mama’s weren’t fans of the team. Chiefs fans couldn’t even tell you who

Agreed Some people believe in traditions, others just brag about tradition .  Y’all cried for change, got it then #### all over the rest of the league walking out the door. We need those

Just now, DB2point0 said:

I understand that.  But you also have to give and take too.  You’re not getting one without the other.  

It depends on how bad one wants to get away. 

I'm not going to pretend to know the dynamic between the two Arizona Schools, but I would imagine that the same thought was once attached to Texas/Texas A&M and look where they are now.

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12 minutes ago, WETSU said:

They need vandy for the academics. Somebody has to help prop up lsu and bama lol

 But completely agree on miss st. They would drop them for OU or even UNC in a heartbeat. 

Ou is going nowhere alone

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5 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

Ou is going nowhere alone

David Boren was the driving force not to leave Oklahoma State in 2012. He is gone. Oklahoma would leave Oklahoma State if it was the right situation. 

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On 12/21/2020 at 8:40 AM, Valhalla said:

It depends on how bad one wants to get away. 

I'm not going to pretend to know the dynamic between the two Arizona Schools, but I would imagine that the same thought was once attached to Texas/Texas A&M and look where they are now.

I’d compare it to when Texas was looking at the pac, the Texas legislature made them include Baylor to keep them at P5 status.  You’re right, it might not happen as the PAC would likely not fold.  I just think both would come if invited. The ou and osu situation would be the same as the Baylor/Texas issue.  The state of Oklahoma would likely not want okie state with no P5 conference

On 12/21/2020 at 8:52 AM, Valhalla said:

David Boren was to driving force not to leave Oklahoma State in 2012. He is gone. Oklahoma would leave Oklahoma State if it was the right situation. 

Sure thing 

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1 hour ago, WETSU said:

Yea I mean I could be wrong. I do see your points. And it wouldn't completely shock me to see the Arizona schools leave, but we will have to see. 

Agree, and I think like you’re thinking the Arizona schools would be the best targets to try to pick off first, because of Gavin Newsom having a lot of control over what they can and cannot do. 

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2 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said:

Big 12 North:

West Virginia

Iowa State

Kansas

Kansas State

Cincinnati

Virginia Tech

 

Big 12 South:

Texas 

TCU

Texas Tech

Baylor

Oklahoma St. 

Oklahoma

Not awful, but VA Tech isnt leaving the ACC

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27 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said:

Big 12 North:

West Virginia

Iowa State

Kansas

Kansas State

Cincinnati

Virginia Tech

 

Big 12 South:

Texas 

TCU

Texas Tech

Baylor

Oklahoma St. 

Oklahoma

You have to break up Texas and ou. Its better for the conference as a whole for them two to have a designed path to play each other in the conference title. It doesn't move the needle at all when you have a 12-0 OU playing a 9-3 Iowa st in the conference final while a 11-1 Texas sits at home. That was the greatest downfall of the big 12 when it did have divisions. 

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Only conference that would lose members is the pac and Arizona would be the most ideal and reasonable. No one leaving the Acc or Sec. Irish ain’t coming these are pipe dreams. Big ten may consider it with the right members but severe long shot. Colorado and Nebraska could be most likely candidates. Those two plus Arizona schools are a home run.  The American is your pool of potential teams plus Byu.

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On 12/21/2020 at 9:55 AM, Valhalla said:

Not awful, but VA Tech isnt leaving the ACC

Agreed

On 12/21/2020 at 10:22 AM, WETSU said:

You have to break up Texas and ou. Its better for the conference as a whole for them two to have a designed path to play each other in the conference title. It doesn't move the needle at all when you have a 12-0 OU playing a 9-3 Iowa st in the conference final while a 11-1 Texas sits at home. That was the greatest downfall of the big 12 when it did have divisions. 

Some people believe in traditions, others just brag about tradition .  Y’all cried for change, got it then #### all over the rest of the league walking out the door.

On 12/21/2020 at 10:50 AM, Hookemhorns88 said:

I recently traveled through Arizona.  I saw multiple political billboards saying "Don't Turn Arizona into California".

We need those for Texas too

On 12/21/2020 at 10:24 AM, AllGoodNamesRGone said:

Only conference that would lose members is the pac and Arizona would be the most ideal and reasonable. No one leaving the Acc or Sec. Irish ain’t coming these are pipe dreams. Big ten may consider it with the right members but sever long shot. Colorado and Nebraska could be most likely candidates. Those two plus Arizona schools are a home run.  The American is your pool of potential teams plus Byu

That’s exactly why I said those schools.  Utah, buy and Boise St have always been competitive too

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Just now, DB2point0 said:

That’s exactly why I said those schools.  Utah, buy and Boise St have always been competitive too

Well only add up to six members creating a 16 teams conference. 
 

Utah 

Boise 

nebraska 

Colorado 

would be ideal if participants were interested. But getting someone with West Virginia would be ideal. Cincinnati and UCf would be outstanding with those four. 

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10 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

Some people believe in traditions, others just brag about tradition .  Y’all cried for change, got it then #### all over the rest of the league walking out the door

😂😂

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1 minute ago, AllGoodNamesRGone said:

Well only add up to six members creating a 16 teams conference. 
 

Utah 

Boise 

nebraska 

Colorado 

would be ideal if participants were interested. But getting someone with West Virginia would be ideal. Cincinnati and UCf would be outstanding with those four. 

Who, besides the mid majors you keep bringing up, would provide anything of quality to the conference in the direction of West Virginia???  Cincinatti has a good year about every 4 years.  Memphis too.  Both are in good markets. I’d rather take current P5 schools first, then expand with those guys if the cfp makes them go to 16 teams per conference.  

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On 12/21/2020 at 10:57 AM, DB2point0 said:

Some people believe in traditions, others just brag about tradition .  Y’all cried for change, got it then #### all over the rest of the league walking out the door.

You serious?

On 12/21/2020 at 11:08 AM, DB2point0 said:

Who, besides the mid majors you keep bringing up, would provide anything of quality to the conference in the direction of West Virginia???  Cincinatti has a good year about every 4 years.  Memphis too.  Both are in good markets. I’d rather take current P5 schools first, then expand with those guys if the cfp makes them go to 16 teams per conference.  

No power 5 want to come who are you kidding? Come on ..... 

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2 minutes ago, DB2point0 said:

Who, besides the mid majors you keep bringing up, would provide anything of quality to the conference in the direction of West Virginia???  Cincinatti has a good year about every 4 years.  Memphis too.  Both are in good markets. I’d rather take current P5 schools first, then expand with those guys if the cfp makes them go to 16 teams per conference.  

Big 12 will get the leftovers if they go to super conferences . No one can really hold their own besides Texas and Ou. Then again you could make the place for Ou moving to the big ten or sec then what do you have. 

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