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1 hour ago, Valhalla said:

The top QBs typically do not do a lot of flipping, but you never know with kids.

True, and unless you're leaning toward the big three (Bama/Clemson/Ohio State) there's really no better place to be a Quarterback than under Lincoln Riley. His resume speaks for itself. 

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You’d think after all these years at OU and Red River Shootouts he’d be better at cooking Bevo.

Oklahoma is going to have to figure out which FCS school they want to play in November now.

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19 hours ago, LOL said:

True, and unless you're leaning toward the big three (Bama/Clemson/Ohio State) there's really no better place to be a Quarterback than under Lincoln Riley. His resume speaks for itself. 

Relevant: https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2021/07/20/ou-football-malachi-nelson-brings-big-arm-sooner-quarterback-room/8025360002/

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NORMAN — Malachi Nelson finished off a powerhouse recruiting weekend by OU with his Sunday night announcement that he’d chosen the Sooners over USC and Alabama.

The five-star 2023 quarterback from Los Alamitos, California, kept up Lincoln Riley’s string of landing one of the top quarterbacks in the class every other recruiting cycle since landing Spencer Rattler in 2019.

While there’s plenty of development yet to come for Nelson before he ever arrives in Norman — which doesn’t figure to happen until January 2023 at the earliest — there’s also plenty of evidence showing what type of quarterback he is and will be.

In an abbreviated spring season in 2020-21, Nelson threw for 1,513 yards and 23 touchdowns with just four interceptions.

He showed off a refined throwing motion that looks effortless at times, but with plenty of arm strength behind it when needed. He also showed the ability to to put touch onto his throws, with the accuracy to fit them into tight windows from a variety of angles. 

Nelson also has shown strong decision-making capabilities at a young age, an element that figures to continue to be refined during his junior and senior seasons.

In an abbreviated spring season in 2020-21, Malachi Nelson threw for 1,513 yards and 23 touchdowns with just four interceptions.
 

While Nelson (6-foot-3, 175 pounds) has plenty of athleticism, he's a pro-style quarterback, without the explosive running ability of Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts.

Since Austin Kendall became Lincoln Riley’s first quarterback commit in April 2015, OU’s recruiting at the position went on a steady rise to where it is today.

Kendall, as part of the 2016 class, was the first Rivals 100 quarterback the Sooners had signed since Rhett Bomar in 2004.

Including Kendall, OU has signed four top 100 quarterbacks since, most recently Caleb Williams in the 2021 class.

The rest of the Big 12 has just one — TCU’s Justin Rogers, who played in just one game with the Horned Frogs in two seasons before transferring to UNLV.

Texas does have a top-100 quarterback committed in the 2022 class in Maalik Murphy, who is ranked No. 54 according to Rivals.

For much of Riley’s tenure, he’s had a reputation as a quarterback whisperer, developing Baker Mayfield, Murray and Hurts into superstars. Mayfield and Murray won the Heisman Trophy as Sooners while Hurts finished second in his lone season on campus.

Sooners coach Lincoln Riley has been a force on the quarterback recruiting trail since arriving in Norman in 2015 as offensive coordinator. OU recently picked up a commit from Malachi Nelson, the top quarterback in the 2023 class.
 

But all three of those were transfers from other programs.

It wasn’t until Rattler’s arrival as the starter last season that a quarterback Riley brought to Norman straight out of high school became the regular starter.

Rattler’s development last season — early flashes of brilliance mixed in with some youthful mistakes though showing a steady growth path — showed Riley could do the same with young quarterbacks and not rely on players at the position having plenty of collegiate experience before landing in Riley’s quarterback room.

But Riley didn’t stray from the course.

He brought in transfers like Murray and Hurts when he deemed it beneficial but hasn’t chased transfer experience just to have it.

Riley also hasn’t made it a necessity to sign a quarterback in every class.

In the 2020 class, immediately after Rattler’s, the Sooners didn’t add a quarterback until signing three-star Chandler Morris late in the cycle.

“For me, for that room — for any room — it’s about do you feel like you have what you need? Do you feel like you need to add somebody? Whether it’s signing a player, whether it’s taking a transfer, whatever it is,” Riley said in 2019. “We know we’ve got to be really good at that position. We know what the standards are here.”

In the 2022 class, between Williams’ and Nelson’s, the Sooners haven’t made an offer for a quarterback and aren’t likely to, with a small class expected and with Rattler, Williams and Penn State transfer Micah Bowens already on campus — though Rattler is widely expected to enter the NFL Draft following this season barring injury or other unforeseen circumstances.

Also, Nelson is the only 2023 quarterback the Sooners offered, waiting six months after that initial offer for Nelson’s commitment.

An early commitment doesn’t always mean a sure thing.

In the 2021 class, Brock Vandagriff committed to the Sooners at about the same point in the process but reopened his recruitment about six months later. Eventually, OU added Williams in the class and Williams ultimately passed Vandagriff, who eventually signed with Georgia, in Rivals’ team rankings, with Williams finishing No. 5 and Vandagriff No. 7. The pair were the top two quarterbacks on the list.

Williams is currently one spot ahead of Arch Manning, the nephew of Peyton and Eli Manning and grandson of Archie Manning, in the Rivals ranking while the other high-profile quarterback in the class, Dante Moore, is ranked No. 30.

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I think the “transfers from other programs” is my biggest pet peeve in college football right now. 
 

Kyler Murray was at Oklahoma for 3 years. I don’t think what he learned from half a season at Texas A&M was any help to him. Heck, it probably hurt more than help. 
 

The same thing with Baker. He played one season at Tech and was at Oklahoma for four seasons. I don’t think starting half a season at Tech was a game changer for him. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Valhalla said:

I think the “transfers from other programs” is my biggest pet peeve in college football right now. 

Kyler Murray was at Oklahoma for 3 years. I don’t think what he learned from half a season at Texas A&M was any help to him. Heck, it probably hurt more than help. 

The same thing with Baker. He played one season at Tech and was at Oklahoma for four seasons. I don’t think starting half a season at Tech was a game changer for him. 

Yeah, I think Hurts is the lone outlier. Obviously he was more of a 'Bammer than a Sooner, but his game certainly improved in his one season with Riley. 

But yeah, for all the snarky "hurr-durr OU gonna get another transfer QB, hurr-durr" other than a few high-profile players (like those you mention) I think the Transfer Portal is hurting more players than it's helping. 

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1 hour ago, Valhalla said:

Oklahoma is going to have to figure out which FCS school they want to play in November now.

I've heard rumblings of Midwestern State, or Commerce jumping to the Southland and could use some money...

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1 hour ago, Valhalla said:

Oklahoma is going to have to figure out which FCS school they want to play in November now.

Eastern Oklahoma Community College available?

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On 7/23/2021 at 1:25 PM, Valhalla said:

Oklahoma is going to have to figure out which FCS school they want to play in November now.

Still have never understood the whining about this. 

Whether you play that extra "cupcake" game earlier in the season or whether you move it to later in the season as an "off" week to recover from conference, what's the issue?

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1 hour ago, JohnnyFootball said:

Still have never understood the whining about this. 

Whether you play that extra "cupcake" game earlier in the season or whether you move it to later in the season as an "off" week to recover from conference, what's the issue?

In late season, ranking movement can be very vital in who makes the playoffs and who doesn’t.  If the #4 team has to play #7 and loses the #5 team benefits while playing a whipping post team and blowing them out.  If you can’t see that, it’s because you don’t want to

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2 hours ago, DB2point0 said:

In late season, ranking movement can be very vital in who makes the playoffs and who doesn’t.  If the #4 team has to play #7 and loses the #5 team benefits while playing a whipping post team and blowing them out.  If you can’t see that, it’s because you don’t want to

I cringe to say this but he’s actually making a good point. It doesn’t have to be two top ten teams, but I do think it should still be conference games. I can recall a few times that A&M screwed up our season with an upset win on Thanksgiving. 

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4 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

Still have never understood the whining about this. 

Whether you play that extra "cupcake" game earlier in the season or whether you move it to later in the season as an "off" week to recover from conference, what's the issue?

It's not a hill I'd ever die on, but I feel like something should "lock down" once you start conference, league, or district play. 

Sure, it's probably an outdated high school mindset, but that's just my preference. Save the cupcakes for "pre-season" play. 

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1 minute ago, LOL said:

It's not a hill I'd ever die on, but I feel like something should "lock down" once you start conference, league, or district play. 

Sure, it's probably an outdated high school mindset, but that's just my preference. Save the cupcakes for "pre-season" play. 

I get this standpoint. Otherwise, you play everyone on your schedule and your body of work shows it, no matter when you played them. Sounds like people have an issue with the playoff committee. 

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22 minutes ago, JohnnyFootball said:

I get this standpoint. Otherwise, you play everyone on your schedule and your body of work shows it, no matter when you played them. Sounds like people have an issue with the playoff committee. 

The SEC is the only conference that does this and it is an advantage. Whether it’s basically guaranteeing you don’t slide in the rankings that week or say the main advantage is it’s basically glorified practice, there are two distinct advantages SEC teams have in November every season that other conferences do not.

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59 minutes ago, Lhornfan said:

I cringe to say this but he’s actually making a good point. It doesn’t have to be two top ten teams, but I do think it should still be conference games. I can recall a few times that A&M screwed up our season with an upset win on Thanksgiving. 

I understand that, but how many of the sec powers actually play a team with a pulse that weekend.  It has worked in their favor almost always.  

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47 minutes ago, JohnnyFootball said:

I get this standpoint. Otherwise, you play everyone on your schedule and your body of work shows it, no matter when you played them. Sounds like people have an issue with the playoff committee. 

It’s all about timing.  Always has been. When other conference teams possibly get knocked off,  the sec teams were getting guaranteed wins.  IF the other guys list, it propelled the sec teams up the rankings.  

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7 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

Still have never understood the whining about this. 

Whether you play that extra "cupcake" game earlier in the season or whether you move it to later in the season as an "off" week to recover from conference, what's the issue?

Instead of half your conference getting another loss late in the season they all win while half of the rest of the P5 is talking a loss. It’s ranking manipulation.

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2 hours ago, Valhalla said:

Instead of half your conference getting another loss late in the season they all win while half of the rest of the P5 is talking a loss. It’s ranking manipulation.

That’s unfair and practically cheating!…….

 

 Count me in!

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17 hours ago, Valhalla said:

Instead of half your conference getting another loss late in the season they all win while half of the rest of the P5 is talking a loss. It’s ranking manipulation.

Not even close. 

Let's say A&M was going to play Auburn in Week 10 but instead plays them in Week 3. 

Half the conference is getting losses in Week 3 instead of Week 10. Why does it make a difference when the loss is? 

Are you saying that late-season losses count more in rankings? If so, then again, it sounds like you have an issue with the ranking system that puts an emphasis more on late-season. 

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