Monte1076 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 One thing I've learned through my reading is that the felony murder charges appear to be tied to felony assault charges. In other words, if they can't/don't convict him of felony assault, then they can't convict him of at least one of the murder charges. From this article: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-verdict-prediction-of-sorts-on-legal-merits-alone-not-guilty-but-political-dynamics-drive-injustice/ Quote In the context of the second-degree murder charge brought against Chauvin under Minnesota statute §609.19, that statute has two subsections. The first deals with intentional homicides, and drive-by shootings—Chauvin is not charged under that section. The second section deals with unintentional homicides, either in the course of the commission of an underlying felony, or under circumstances involving a court-issued order of protection. Chauvin was charged with “second degree murder” under that second section, §609.19(2)(1), based upon an unintentional killing in the course of the commission of an underlying felony—what is traditionally called “felony murder.” The relevant jury instruction for this charge is CRIMJIG 11.28, which appears straightforward enough: Under Minnesota law, a person causing the death of another person, without intent to cause the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense is guilty of the crime of murder in the second degree. So if the state hasn't proven felony assault, they can't -- by statute -- prove felony murder. And a little further down in the article, we get this: Quote The relevant portion of the third-degree murder statute, §609.195(a), provides that this offense can apply to a person who kills “without intent to effect the death” of the victim. The relevant portion of the second-degree manslaughter statute, §609.205(1), simply doesn’t mention intent to kill as an element at all, so clearly intent to kill is not a required element here, either. That doesn’t mean, however, that intent is irrelevant to either of these criminal statutes, because both statutes require a form of intent independent of an intent to kill. Specifically, third-degree murder requires a reckless disregard of the danger created to the victim by the defendant’s eminently dangerous conduct. If the state has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant’s conduct was eminently dangerous (which bring us back to the issue of causation, above) and that the defendant recklessly (consciously) disregarded that risk, then the state has not proven the crime of third-degree murder. Further, second-degree manslaughter requires that the defendant creates an unreasonable risk, and “consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm.” If the state has not proven that the defendant intentionally engaged in conduct that had a reasonably foreseeable risk of causing death or great bodily harm, then the state has not proven the crime of second-degree manslaughter. But we don't know how the jury is going to interpret this, or how they're going to interpret any evidence, or political pressure, or whatever. So we'll have to see. The video for the jury instructions and closing arguments is below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I think the jury will be scared of having their houses burned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: I think the jury will be scared of having their houses burned down. The "message" is already out there: "Give us the verdict we want, or else." Which sounds a lot like "Nice little business you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it." Maxine Waters has already said he's guilty. Why do we even need a trial? She wants him found guilty of something he's not even being charged with. Can you believe that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB2point0 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: The "message" is already out there: "Give us the verdict we want, or else." Which sounds a lot like "Nice little business you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it." Maxine Waters has already said he's guilty. Why do we even need a trial? She wants him found guilty of something he's not even being charged with. Can you believe that? Maxine waters is an idiot. She’s proven that time after time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: Maxine waters is an idiot. She’s proven that time after time. I'm actually a little surprised that the defense attorney didn't try again for a mistrial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Monte1076 said: The "message" is already out there: "Give us the verdict we want, or else." Which sounds a lot like "Nice little business you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it." Maxine Waters has already said he's guilty. Why do we even need a trial? She wants him found guilty of something he's not even being charged with. Can you believe that? I wouldn't be surprised of anything they did or said at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellon Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, DB2point0 said: Maxine waters is an idiot. She’s proven that time after time. Maxine Waters needs to be thrown in jail. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 hours ago, DAWG91 said: I think the jury will be scared of having their houses burned down. He could be found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentence to life in prison, those thugs are still going to riot, regardless. They don't give two cents about George Floyd's death, they just want a reason to loot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyhound Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, mellon said: Maxine Waters needs to be thrown in jail. You misspelled “under the jail” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Crawford said: He could be found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentence to life in prison, those thugs are still going to riot, regardless. They don't give two cents about George Floyd's death, they just want a reason to loot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red90fly Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/mob-rule-in-minnesota.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngcoach123 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 https://amp.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-judge-in-chauvin-trial-addresses-maxine-waters-comments-says-it-may-result-in-this-whole-trial-being-overturned/?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mellon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Youngcoach123 said: She's got to be the stupidest POS sucking oxygen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarthDawg77 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Crawford said: He could be found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentence to life in prison, those thugs are still going to riot, regardless. They don't give two cents about George Floyd's death, they just want a reason to loot. “Ding, Ding!” We have a Winner! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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