shoelessjoelives Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Originally posted by cheaptrick77The most "magical" season was 1969 ;) What is the definition for the way magical is used here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Boy, Scott Rolen must be an NBA fan....that flop he just did after intentionally running into Brandon Inge was ridiculous. Inge was WAY out of the baseline and in the process of backing up, too. Bad call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 ^ Yeah -- that was pathetic. Leyland should have been more animate ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 WOW -- Anthony Reyes is through 8. 5-8 during the season? WHO CARES ?!? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Cards are up now, 1-0. Home field or no, the Tigers need to do some searchin'.......this is the World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I liken this to last year when the tired Angels beat the well-rested White Sox in the first game of the ALCS....and then lost the next four. It could easily be a one-game wonder. Congrats to the Cards, but the Tigers are still going to take this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 2006 WORLD SERIES GAME 2Jeff Weaver (8-14, 5.76)vs.Kenny Rogers (17-8, 3.84)7:05pm FOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chsspiritguard04 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Originally posted by shoelessjoelivesthe Tigers need to do some searchin' Searching???? Do explain sir. I think the "searching" got them to the World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate4 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Originally posted by cheaptrick77WOW -- Anthony Reyes is through 8. 5-8 during the season? WHO CARES ?!? :D Hopefully the same thing will apply with Weaver tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Originally posted by chsspiritguard04Searching???? Do explain sir Referring to the fact that 3 of the next 4 games are in St. Louie and you don't want to dig too deep a whole in such a short series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBTS Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 What was on his hand that the umps and LaRussa were so concerned with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_t_sports Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Some "substance" according to the tv announcers. I didn't turn the game on until later, but they said the tv cameras showed the "substance" in the 1st inning but then not in the 2nd. I love this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubs37 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 If the "substance" hasn't helped him throw 23 straight scoreless innings........what could have? Oh yea, he's just a good pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfields253 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Rogers should of been tossed, plain and simple. He had a substance on his hands that was not allowed. They have pictures of it and I dont think the cheater should be allowed to pitch again this series until the matter is resolved. Having to cheat to win is pathetic if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobo4life Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I like Kenny Rogers, but he's a jerk. After the game when he was doing his press conference he answered every question asked except for two. And both of the questions were asked by reporters from the Fort Worth Star Telegram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbobby Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Rogers was masterful, but did he cheat? By Gene Wojciechowski ESPN.com Archive DETROIT -- Here at The North Face photo shoot, otherwise known as the 102nd World Series, you didn't know whether they were going to play Game 2 or a Grey Cup championship here. But they played Game 2, Detroit beat St. Louis, 3-1, and, oh, by the way, Tigers starter Kenny Rogers may or may not have cheated for an inning. With or without some sort of mysterious brown sludge on the inner palm of his pitching hand, Rogers was nearly unhittable. He certainly was un-scoreable. But did he get caught red- (or brown-) handed? The Comerica Park scoreboard said it was 40 degrees, and I'm sure it was -- at noon. But at 8:23 Sunday night, when you saw mitts and mittens as Rogers delivered the first pitch, it wasn't any 40 degrees. It was Michigan vs. Ohio State cold. Even the Tiger statues lining the outside of the stadium were looking for fleece jackets. But the 41-year-old Rogers warmed the crowd of 42,533 with another masterful performance. And because of Rogers, the Tigers will arrive in St. Louis with the Series tied, 1-1. The question is, did he cheat to do it? Thanks to Fox's TV cameras, America -- and likely the Cardinals watching in the visiting clubhouse -- learned that Rogers had a brown substance just below the thumb of his left hand. The stuff was there in the first inning, when Cardinals hitters apparently noticed some of Rogers' pitches doing interesting things. Then it was gone in the second inning. Hmmm. Was it pine tar? If so, then Rogers cheated. And if he cheated, then Rogers is working on quite a résumé: shoved a TV cameraman ... got caught with illegal goop on his hand ... ran his 2006 postseason scoreless streak to a previously un-Rogers-like 23 consecutive innings. Four more shutout innings and he ties the legendary Christy Mathewson for the all-time single postseason record. Rogers said it was dirt on his inner palm. Of course, Rogers said a lot of things, some of which made sense, some of which sounded like a guy with a very selective memory. All I know is that by the time Rogers, MLB umpire supervisor Steve Palermo, Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, and Tigers manager Jim Leyland were done "explaining" what happened ... nobody still knew what happened. This is important for all sorts of reasons. On a cold, rainy night much like the one here in Detroit, Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Jay Howell got tossed in the eighth inning of Game 3 of the 1988 NLCS for having pine tar on his glove. Howell was eventually suspended two games. Rogers also departed Sunday night's game in the eighth inning. But he left with a shutout and to cheers. Can you blame the Tigers crowd, which included his mother and father, for the ovation? Rogers gave up only two little singles, struck out five and walked three in 99 pitches. It was amazing stuff. But was it too amazing? On Sunday night, an ESPN video analysis of Rogers' left hand during his previous starts during the '06 playoffs appears to show a similar substance. If it was dirt, no problem. The MLB rule book has nothing against dirt. The problem is, nobody actually inspected Rogers' hand. According to Palermo, the umpires "observed" the substance as dirt. Observing isn't the same thing as inspecting, but Palermo dismissed the difference. The umpiring crew, he said, could certainly tell the difference between dirt and, say, pine tar. "This is not their first summer away from home," said Palermo of the umpires. In other words, they know what they're doing out there. Kenny Rogers AP Photo/Duane Burleson Kenny Rogers, left, and home plate umpire Alfonso Marquez had a discussion after the top of the first inning. But this is where it all gets murky. And suspicious too. Not long after the Fox cameras detected whatever was on Rogers' hand, La Russa was seen talking to home plate umpire Alfonso Marquez. Marquez, said Palermo, then told Rogers, among other things, that he needed to clean his hand. "What they're trying to do is remove doubt in that situation," said Palermo. So why then wouldn't La Russa discuss the situation with the media after the game? And even more curious, why did Rogers say that Marquez never talked to him about the substance, or asked him to wipe it off? Question: "So the umpires didn't mention it all to you?" Rogers: "No." Either this is an inadvertent cover-up, an actual cover-up, or a huge misunderstanding. Whatever it was, the parties involved came off sounding like nobody could get their stories straight. According to Palermo, La Russa never requested that the umpires inspect Rogers' left hand. Maybe it's just me, but isn't that kind of thing in La Russa's wheelhouse? He knows the rules by heart and always preaches that the game be played the right way. But no inspection was made. Was it because La Russa decided Rogers really did have an accidental -- and legal -- mixture of dirt and rosin on his hand? Or was it because he didn't want to press the issue with his friend and respected adversary Leyland in the other dugout? "It's not important to talk about," said La Russa afterward. La Russa didn't want to sound as if he were whining. "A guy pitches like that, we as a team don't take things away from anybody," he said. And if a guy beats you fair and square, La Russa is right. But so muddled were the postgame explanations that it's not entirely clear if the victory was completely fair and square. So it was important, no matter how hard La Russa wishes otherwise. "Obviously they were a little suspicious," said Leyland of the Cardinals. I know, Rogers pitched a scoreless first inning with the gunk on his hand. And then he pitched seven more scoreless innings without anything on his hand. In fact, one of the two hits he gave up came during the first, as did a walk. So he actually pitched better after his hand was clean. But even if Rogers didn't do a thing wrong, this whole episode has a mysterious, someone's-not-telling-the-whole-truth feel to it. So now we root for the Series to reach a Game 6. Why? Rogers and his left hand are scheduled to start in Detroit. Dirtgate lives. Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at [email protected]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 It was something foreign on his hand that didn't look like dirt to me. Especially when you see him go to his hat and then it appears on the camera view. Kenny, you weren't cheating there, were you ??:ohmy: If you were going to use it, you should have used the clear !! MLB.com has an article today titled Cameras get the dirt on Rogers. It clearly shows the pictures of the differences in his hand, kinda before and after type. Shows something on his hand for sure:hmmm: .....!! The best news for baseball fans is that we will have baseball until at least Thursday night !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwsoftball Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Everyone at ESPN is claiming it's pine tar. Pine tar would help you get a better grip, dunno if it would help much anywhere else. If it was gone after the first inning, what happened to St Louis the rest of the game? ESPN has compared Rogers resurgence this postseason to his past performances; left out of the arguement is that Kenny had elbow surgery while with the Rangers and came back with a much improved fastball, which opened up his breaking stuff. I wouldn't fret much of Kenny shunning the Ft. Worth reporters; they handled everything so badly during his incident with the cameramen, I'm not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chsspiritguard04 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Originally posted by cubs37If the "substance" hasn't helped him throw 23 straight scoreless innings........what could have? Oh yea, he's just a good pitcher. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five0pd310 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Looked like dirt to me. But who's keeping score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfields253 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 They say the substance on his hand was somethign that guitar players use to keep their fingers a little sticky. It is also said that even after you clean it off it can still be sticky up to 24 hours. So yea, he cleaned it off after the first but it WAS still sticky!!!! He is a cheat. I respect the Detroit Tigers but Kenny Rogers is a bum!!!! That story about the substance was in sportscenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 2006 World Series Game 3Nate Robertson (13-13, 3.84)vs.Chris Carpenter (15-8, 3.09)7:33pm FOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 daboys got their butts whooped good !! How bout dem cowgirls !! Stars win, cowboys trounced and the World Series is back tonight....................life is good !!:thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setxsports Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006...tory?id=2636485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SL1KK Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 This was a stand-up thing done by LaRussa...He didn't want to win in this way, showed he has way more class than anyone from the Detroit club... But no matter what LaRussa decided to do isn't cheating-cheating...I mean should the MLB take some kind of stand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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