Sarah Palin

[applebutter]

Since this thread has been hijacked already, I do think Matt Damon was awesome in the Bourne series. :thumbsup:

You know they had to tell him what to say.

[DiscreetWisdom]

Sarah Palin is an absolute hottie!!!!!!!!!!!

[CAPTTIGER]

She is more than that though. She will be a great for the country.

[OBTS]

Whatever Bleeds!

 

I know myself, and I know the context of my post. There are lots of people who regularly post in this forum from both sides of the aisle who are very stubborn about their respective political beliefs. Both sides are guilty of insinuating at times that the other side is ignorant. That was the crux of my post, that was my line of thinking. No one needs to go to another forum or site to talk politics. What we need is for people to get along even though they have differing opinions on how to solve some of our common problems.

 

A troll? :w00t: :devil: :lol: Whatever Bleeds!

 

Sideliner is a troll!!!

[Guest bleeds]

Whatever Bleeds!

 

I know myself, and I know the context of my post. There are lots of people who regularly post in this forum from both sides of the aisle who are very stubborn about their respective political beliefs. Both sides are guilty of insinuating at times that the other side is ignorant. That was the crux of my post, that was my line of thinking.

 

A troll? :w00t: :devil: :lol: Whatever Bleeds!

 

 

Yes. A troll. :w00t:

 

 

[OBTS]

^^^There you go again...insisting on the last word in an effort to appear stronger. :rolleyes:

[Straw]

word

[Guest bleeds]

^^^There you go again...insisting on the last word in an effort to appear stronger. :rolleyes:

 

 

Dude, you've got some issues.

[BluePirate]

I'm out of popcorn. BRB... gonna make some more.

[MPRF07]

^^^There you go again...insisting on the last word in an effort to appear stronger. :rolleyes:

 

 

I've met bleeds...and he most likely is stronger. :bangin:

[WildcatPride]

Here is what Charles Krauthammer, the first person to use the term "Bush doctrine", wrote this week in The Washington Post

 

Charlie Gibson's Gaffe

 

By Charles Krauthammer

Saturday, September 13, 2008; A17

 

"At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' "

 

-- New York Times, Sept. 12

 

Informed her? Rubbish.

 

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

 

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

 

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

 

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

 

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

 

Wrong.

 

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.

 

Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." This "with us or against us" policy regarding terror -- first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan -- became the essence of the Bush doctrine.

 

Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.

 

It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

 

This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy's pledge in his inaugural address that the United States "shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson's 14 points.

 

If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume -- unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise -- that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.

 

Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption.

 

Not the "with us or against us" no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.

 

Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.

 

Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.

 

Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.

 

Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.

[CAPTTIGER]

The elite media hates her. They are going to try and ask her stupid, petty or confusing questions just trying to trip her up.

[Guest imyahuckleberry]

^It won't work. All of the mentally challenged are on the left anyway.

[applebutter]

Here is what Charles Krauthammer, the first person to use the term "Bush doctrine", wrote this week in The Washington Post

The Washington Post, as liberal as it is, is well on the way to replacing the NYT as the "paper of record".

[Guest bleeds]

Bear_Den, did you read the article posted by WildcatPride? If not, you should so you can be informed the next time you post on this subject.

 

I guess we can assume, since you did not give us your understanding of the Bush Doctrine, you do not in fact know what it is. And as such, you have chided someone for not understanding something you don't understand.

 

Shame shame.

 

Do better.

[applebutter]

Bear_Den, did you read the article posted by WildcatPride? If not, you should so you can be informed the next time you post on this subject.

 

I guess we can assume, since you did not give us your understanding of the Bush Doctrine, you do not in fact know what it is. And as such, you have chided someone for not understanding something you don't understand.

 

Shame shame.

 

Do better.

Like someone willing to falsely imply that he's lost a son in Iraq cares about making informed posts.

[1stSuperScot]

BD, I have an easy question. Can you explain Sarah Palin's role in Troopergate?

[Guest Bear_Den]

Bear_Den, did you read the article posted by WildcatPride? If not, you should so you can be informed the next time you post on this subject.

 

I guess we can assume, since you did not give us your understanding of the Bush Doctrine, you do not in fact know what it is. And as such, you have chided someone for not understanding something you don't understand.

 

Shame shame.

 

Do better.

 

The fact still remains that this 'Celebrity Mom' running for VP is not educated enough to be in the white house. She lacks all of the necessary experience and would not make a good president if for some reason she had to take over as commander in chief.

 

DO BETTER

[Straw]

The fact still remains that this 'Celebrity Mom' running for VP is not educated enough to be in the white house. She lacks all of the necessary experience and would not make a good president if for some reason she had to take over as commander in chief.

 

DO BETTER

 

 

You could have said "In my opinion" but instead you said "Fact"! Now since you said fact, we assume you have "Facts" to prove it. However, we have been waiting for your facts for a few days now to no avail. Either you have none, wont share or dont care.

 

Fact, Obama is a Muslim that hates America and kills babies and has extremely large ears.

[Guest Bear_Den]

You could have said "In my opinion" but instead you said "Fact"! Now since you said fact, we assume you have "Facts" to prove it. However, we have been waiting for your facts for a few days now to no avail. Either you have none, wont share or dont care.

 

Fact, Obama is a Muslim that hates America and kills babies and has extremely large ears.

 

Prove that he is a Muslim. Has he personally killed a baby with his own bare hands?

[Straw]

Prove that he is a Muslim. Has he personally killed a baby with his own bare hands?

 

Hook line and sinker! :clap:

 

[Guest bleeds]

The fact still remains that this 'Celebrity Mom' running for VP is not educated enough to be in the white house. She lacks all of the necessary experience and would not make a good president if for some reason she had to take over as commander in chief.

 

DO BETTER

 

 

More vague, baseless comments.

 

How do you get she lacks the education to be VP? Details please. Is there a mandated level of attainment for the job?

 

Experience. She has abundantly more executive experience than EITHER democratic candidate. That executive experience (running a city, running a state and being CIC of the Alaska National Guard, etc) would better prepare her for the job of President than Obama or Biden.

 

I have encouraged you to do better. You have refused. In fact, your posts have become as desparate as the Obama/Biden campaign.

 

I'll make it easier for you.

 

"Try" to do better. So far, you have not.

[Guest bleeds]

BTW, Barry Hussein killed thousands of babies with his bare hands by using them to cast the vote to do so. As far as him being a muslim, he has done nothing to dispell rumors to the effect that he is a muslim, short of verbally denying. I believe a man will be revealed by his actions. He has said he would support the muslims when things got bad, he atttended muslims schools as a child, even let "57 states" slip when referring to the US. There are 57 muslim states, and in case you didn't know, 50 US states.

[Straw]

BTW, Barry Hussein killed thousands of babies with his bare hands by using them to cast the vote to do so. As far as him being a muslim, he has done nothing to dispell rumors to the effect that he is a muslim, short of verbally denying. I believe a man will be revealed by his actions. He has said he would support the muslims when things got bad, he atttended muslims schools as a child, even let "57 states" slip when referring to the US. There are 57 muslim states, and in case you didn't know, 50 US states.

 

 

You forgot the ears!

[Guest bleeds]

Oh yeah. And the ears.