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What are your true non-partisan thoughts about George W. Bush's 8 year's in office?

 

Mine are

 

I always like his intentions and for the most part felt his motives were pure and he truly believed what he thought he was doing was the best move

 

I dont think the execution was always the best. The follow thru at times was severly lacking.

 

I never really liked who his advisers were and I think at times SOME of them used his intention for their own personal motives and gains. I think that at times he trusted that they had what was best for America as their #1 motive when they did not.

 

I do think his legacy down the road will be looked on better than it is now. He was the first President that had EVERY move judged not only be the traditonal press but by the internet press and bloggers and message boards. So much BS flowed on why certain things happen that people I think at the moment have a conspiracy warped view of his term(ie he invaded Iraq solely because he wanted to avenge his Dad or finish the job his Dad did not and such)

 

I liked his always thinking about our country's well being and concerns over what someone in Europe might think. That IMO was one of his biggest strengths.

 

I like his tax cuts but I never was a fan of his NO Child Left Behind Education stance. Again I think his motives on it were pure, I just dont like Standardized Testing and how it has changed our Education system into teaching nothing but what is on the test

 

I dont like how big the Government has grown under his watch but not all of that is his fault

 

 

Those are some of my thoughts

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He was laisez faire and govt got away from him. Should not have hired his dad's cast offs, should have gone with younger guys. I think he got bad rap from press from the get go, because they wanted Clinton era to never end--scandals make good press. He will be under-rated until history proves he was right. dont look for Obabhama to change much except maybe bring the troops home and let down our guard.

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I think the legacy of George W. Bush, will be determined in the future. He was dealt a bad hand from the start. Unfortunately for him was his choice as a Vice President who's worth is that of a "warm bucket of spit". I think many put too much emphasis on the role of the Vice President.

 

The only things that truly upset me with G.W.: His moves for a stimulus package and the bailout for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and the loose policy in Iraq to show we weren't there for oil. I think most his other choices, except for some of his cabinet members, were right on.

 

We are still feeling the effects of the F.D.R., Truman, J.F.K., L.B.J., Carter, and Clinton Administrations on the United States that will cause a strain on the U.S. Governments finances for many years to come.

 

That's my take.

 

 

 

 

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What are your true non-partisan thoughts about George W. Bush's 8 year's in office?

 

Mine are

 

I always like his intentions and for the most part felt his motives were pure and he truly believed what he thought he was doing was the best move

 

I dont think the execution was always the best. The follow thru at times was severly lacking.

 

I never really liked who his advisers were and I think at times SOME of them used his intention for their own personal motives and gains. I think that at times he trusted that they had what was best for America as their #1 motive when they did not.

 

I do think his legacy down the road will be looked on better than it is now. He was the first President that had EVERY move judged not only be the traditonal press but by the internet press and bloggers and message boards. So much BS flowed on why certain things happen that people I think at the moment have a conspiracy warped view of his term(ie he invaded Iraq solely because he wanted to avenge his Dad or finish the job his Dad did not and such)

 

I liked his always thinking about our country's well being and concerns over what someone in Europe might think. That IMO was one of his biggest strengths.

 

I like his tax cuts but I never was a fan of his NO Child Left Behind Education stance. Again I think his motives on it were pure, I just dont like Standardized Testing and how it has changed our Education system into teaching nothing but what is on the test

 

I dont like how big the Government has grown under his watch but not all of that is his fault

 

 

Those are some of my thoughts

I cannot believe that more people did not reply to this. I think though that you are pretty close overall. He was not a guy who set out to be bad or crooked. His circle of friends, though are a different story. I don't think they cared how he would be seen or judged.

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He recycled his Dad's guys--he should have got some younger folks, especially could have done withour Rumsfeld. I think he was maybe a reluctant president, and when the dems hit him with both barrells after the election, and then who voted for the war and then ran off and left him, he said the heck with it. He said he didnt want Iraq to be a Viet Nam--but he let the media turn it into just that until the surge. The similarites of Nam--ie not letting them fight, worrying about what other countries would do, running the war from Washington because of democrat criticisim turned it into a Nam like losing thing. Thankfully the surge came along, but it was too late for him.

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I cannot believe that more people did not reply to this. I think though that you are pretty close overall. He was not a guy who set out to be bad or crooked. His circle of friends, though are a different story. I don't think they cared how he would be seen or judged.

Then he accomplished what he set out to do: He's not bad or crooked.

 

Why don't you fill us in on his circle of friends?

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Then he accomplished what he set out to do: He's not bad or crooked.

 

Why don't you fill us in on his circle of friends?

 

 

Save your breath AB. I know this will come as a surprise, but TT doesn't feel he owes any explanations about his comments, regardly of how preposterous our unfounded they may appear.

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Whoever told him to put away the veto pen in his first term is an idiot!

 

Some children need to be left behind. Public Education that tries to drag everyone along is hindering the best and brightest and not doing the laggards any favors, either.

 

Tax cuts stimulate economic activity and generate more government tax revenue as proved once again by the Bush tax cuts. GWB should have bought his own cable channel trumpeting the success of these.

 

The rest of the world is screwed up in one way or the other, why does anyone care what they think?

 

If the Iraq war was about oil, how come the price went so high just as we were winning?

 

Not replacing Cheney as VP in 2004 was the worst mistake that GWB made, in my humble, but usually accurate, opinion...and it's not because I don't like Cheney.

 

He might have trusted people a little too much and been a little to loyal to some old friends.

 

John Roberts and Sam Alito! :thumbsup:

 

In twenty years, people will look back on him as a great president.

 

He showed tremendous class and respect to his political enemies.

 

 

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Whoever told him to put away the veto pen in his first term is an idiot!

 

Some children need to be left behind. Public Education that tries to drag everyone along is hindering the best and brightest and not doing the laggards any favors, either.

 

Tax cuts stimulate economic activity and generate more government tax revenue as proved once again by the Bush tax cuts. GWB should have bought his own cable channel trumpeting the success of these.

 

The rest of the world is screwed up in one way or the other, why does anyone care what they think?

 

If the Iraq war was about oil, how come the price went so high just as we were winning?

 

Not replacing Cheney as VP in 2004 was the worst mistake that GWB made, in my humble, but usually accurate, opinion...and it's not because I don't like Cheney.

 

He might have trusted people a little too much and been a little to loyal to some old friends.

 

In twenty years, people will look back on him as a great president.

 

He showed tremendous class and respect to his political enemies.

The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

 

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The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

 

 

^Good try - not true^ Typical liberal rant...

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The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

Truly, you are without any clue. Speculation is also the reason the price of oil can drop at the rate it has. Panic buying has a counterpart: panic selling.

 

Of course, we all know that conspiracies only cause increases. Decreases in price must be due to something else. :getlost:

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The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

 

HA! Little do you know that you are spewing your bravo sierra to a managed futures guru. This is gonna be great.

 

 

BRB... gotta get some popcorn. :thumbsup:

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The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

 

 

Wow.

 

A "construction services" worker vs an investment broker/financial mystic.

 

I cannot freakin' wait.

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The voice of reason has arrived. The high price of oil was due to speculation. The act of buying oil futures, just like commodities on our own markets, allows people to buy in low at enough volume to trigger panic buying when the supply appears to be drying up. Of course when the price doubles you dump your reserves or eek it to take advantage of the increases. It didn't really matter where the oil came from. This was pocket money for insiders.

 

Sorry to keep you boys waiting. I had a little family time this evening.

 

Poor little tigger (plt), is it scary to go through life worried about the "other" guy? There was nothing nefarious about the price action of energy this spring/summer, unless you want to point a finger at Pelosi/Reid and their minions or the insane stream media (hype).

 

See, plt, there were no insiders. There were people with a real set who are knowledgeable about how the markets work. People who put their money where their mouth (and wants and desires) is. They step right up and trade on public information. They are trained in spotting trends and understand that government intervention has disrupted supply/demand equilibrium. It's not rocket science but it does require guts AND the wilingness to be wrong, to fail and not go crying to mama when you skin your knee. There are even vehicles out there for Mom and Pop and plt's to participate - but, yes, IT IS SCARY! There are no do-overs and no safety nets.

 

Buying low and selling high is a beautiful thing, plt. NOT EVERYONE GETS IT RIGHT. I can't think of an economic system, that works, that does it any other way.

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well I for one am very glad lil' Bush is finally leaving. He never did anything for me; nothing. Sure he "protected us from the terrorists" but I wonder why we were attacked in the first place? It might have something to do with the fact that the United States pokes its head in every country's business. And why do we do this? To protect our national interests? I wish we would "poke our heads" into the Sudan and stop the genocide in Darfur, or maybe "look into" Eastern Africa and try to stop the piracy there. But no, we won't do that at all because we have no national interests there. It makes me sick to see our country send aid for political reasons, but when some poor country desperately needs our help, we turn the other way. 5000 people die a month in Darfur, and we pretend like it isn't happening. So yes, I am very happy that President Bush is leaving office. Hopefully he moves back to Connecticut, because he is a disgrace to Texans in my opinion.

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well I for one am very glad lil' Bush is finally leaving. He never did anything for me; nothing. Sure he "protected us from the terrorists" but I wonder why we were attacked in the first place? It might have something to do with the fact that the United States pokes its head in every country's business. And why do we do this? To protect our national interests? I wish we would "poke our heads" into the Sudan and stop the genocide in Darfur, or maybe "look into" Eastern Africa and try to stop the piracy there. But no, we won't do that at all because we have no national interests there. It makes me sick to see our country send aid for political reasons, but when some poor country desperately needs our help, we turn the other way. 5000 people die a month in Darfur, and we pretend like it isn't happening. So yes, I am very happy that President Bush is leaving office. Hopefully he moves back to Connecticut, because he is a disgrace to Texans in my opinion.

 

bulldog04, what have you ever done for me? You seem to want the President to do something for you personally, so I don't think I'm out of line asking what you have done, or intend to do for me.

 

I'll be waiting with my hand out, just like you.

 

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well I for one am very glad lil' Bush is finally leaving. He never did anything for me; nothing. Sure he "protected us from the terrorists" but I wonder why we were attacked in the first place? It might have something to do with the fact that the United States pokes its head in every country's business. And why do we do this? To protect our national interests? I wish we would "poke our heads" into the Sudan and stop the genocide in Darfur, or maybe "look into" Eastern Africa and try to stop the piracy there. But no, we won't do that at all because we have no national interests there. It makes me sick to see our country send aid for political reasons, but when some poor country desperately needs our help, we turn the other way. 5000 people die a month in Darfur, and we pretend like it isn't happening. So yes, I am very happy that President Bush is leaving office. Hopefully he moves back to Connecticut, because he is a disgrace to Texans in my opinion.

The United States Gives out more aid than any country in the world, I am sorry for what is happening in Africa, But we are doing more than any other country to help out. In my opinion we should cut aid out all together until we solve our deficit problems here at home and are strong enough to stand tall again.

I Don't Like your statement about the he never did anything for you. Hate to break it to you - IT'S NOT HIS JOB - to make sure you are Happy. That's your job. His job is to make sure you are safe while you are making that happen. Your state representitive would have more to do in making you happy than the President.

How did you like the Tax Cuts? Did you spend the money that was sent to your house? Wont be coming next year, because the New Administration doesn't feal that is your money you earned.

Did you feal proud after 911 when the U.S. Military put terrorist on the defensive instead of the offensive?

I liked Bush overall, I do think the people around him took advantage. He made the mistake of bringing in old political establishment to help him. Kinda the same thing Obama the man of change is doing right now.

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bulldog04, what have you ever done for me? You seem to want the President to do something for you personally, so I don't think I'm out of line asking what you have done, or intend to do for me.

 

I'll be waiting with my hand out, just like you.

 

 

Well I would like the president, and the rest of the government for that matter, to do something for me. It is after all a government "for the people, by the people." And not once did I say I hate America. I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, I just don't believe we should force every other country to see things the way we do. I don't intend to do anything for you whatsoever, and apparently neither did President Bush. We are in a recession and he has the lowest approval ratings ever. But yeah of course he is a good president....right.

 

Well if the president doesnt do anything for me, how about this. I expect the President to do an adequate job, and to do the things he said he would do when we voted for him. I voted for Bush back in 2004 because I thought it was a bad idea to change power in the middle of a war. That was my sole basis for voting, and I feel bad that I didn't look at the issues. 4 years later our country is looked down upon by the rest of the world. We are in 2 unpopular wars and our economy is in the crapper.

 

I also think it hilarious how people say our country is turning to socialism. Why? because Obama wants to provide healthcare to everyone? You know what? If you have healthcare, you have nothing to worry about. It is for people who do NOT have healthcare already. Does anyone consider Great Britain, our strongest ally, socialist? Well they have universal healthcare.

 

Finally, I would ask you what good things President Bush has done? Try not to hurt yourself thinking about it.

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I was proud when we went to Afghanistan to fight Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban, but when we went to Iraq for no reason, I lost the respect for my President. I also did spend the money that came to my house, because the government sent us that money to stimulate the economy. Too bad it didn't work huh? I think we should raise taxes and cut government spending. That is the fastest way to erase our deficit. That will not happen though, because we are in a useless war in Iraq that costs 10 billion a month!

 

Back to the terrorist subject: I think it is great that we are fighting the good fight in Afghanistan. I believe that over time we will win the war. Thank God we will be out of Iraq by 2011. I think that is the best I have heard in years.

 

The one thing i did not like about the outgoing administration is that they always kept the peace by fear. The government would release a new color for what terrorism level we were in, and everyone would freak. I got so sick of it. Fear tactics may work for awhile, but they don't work forever.

 

I wonder if anyone will call me an America-hater again? You just do that because you have nothing to say.

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Well I would like the president, and the rest of the government for that matter, to do something for me. It is after all a government "for the people, by the people." And not once did I say I hate America. I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, I just don't believe we should force every other country to see things the way we do. I don't intend to do anything for you whatsoever, and apparently neither did President Bush. We are in a recession and he has the lowest approval ratings ever. But yeah of course he is a good president....right.

 

Well if the president doesnt do anything for me, how about this. I expect the President to do an adequate job, and to do the things he said he would do when we voted for him. I voted for Bush back in 2004 because I thought it was a bad idea to change power in the middle of a war. That was my sole basis for voting, and I feel bad that I didn't look at the issues. 4 years later our country is looked down upon by the rest of the world. We are in 2 unpopular wars and our economy is in the crapper.

 

I also think it hilarious how people say our country is turning to socialism. Why? because Obama wants to provide healthcare to everyone? You know what? If you have healthcare, you have nothing to worry about. It is for people who do NOT have healthcare already. Does anyone consider Great Britain, our strongest ally, socialist? Well they have universal healthcare.

 

Finally, I would ask you what good things President Bush has done? Try not to hurt yourself thinking about it.

 

The recession has happened in the last 2 years, so please include the democratic house of reps and democratic senate. Who by the way have a lowest rating ever (lower than Bush look it up) And they had a lot to do with why we are in the recession we are in. research good ole Barney Frank on that one. Housing Bubble his fault!!!!!

 

And those countries you are worried about dont care a bit about us. They are only postering to gain more influence on the world stage.

 

The pull out date you are talking about was through the Bush administration not Obama.

 

 

Wickapedia:

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly

 

By definition Obama is a socialist by his own admission. Using the statement of redistribution of wealth.

Raising taxes and more Goverment programs and assistance not the answer.

 

Remember - A goverment that is big enough to give you everthing you want is big enough to take everything you have away - Thomas Jefferson

 

Finally things Bush has done.

Appointed conservitive Judges - (strong on Abortion)

 

Moved swiftly when nation was attacked. I mean we probably would not be fighting a war right now if Clinton had done something when they tried to blow the World Trade Center up the first time. (remember) Also please remember that Congress gave the ok on the war on Iraq because everyone thought there was WND"S and Iraq had been given 10 years - 6 under Clinton to comply with inspectors but would not

 

Cut Taxes - I dont know about you but my money is my money.

 

Overall history will show he did a good job.

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HA! Little do you know that you are spewing your bravo sierra to a managed futures guru. This is gonna be great.

 

 

BRB... gotta get some popcorn. :thumbsup:

It appears that you missed a great opportunity to answer the gurus question here. His question was," If the war was about oil, why did the price go so high when were just winning?"

What then do you attribute the price to? OPEC did not institute price increases and they still have not signifigantly reduced production.

 

Remember your guru asked the question.

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The recession has happened in the last 2 years,

 

The pull out date you are talking about was through the Bush administration not Obama.

The recession has only begun to be acknowledged during the last two years.

 

The pull out date that you mention has been established through the SOFA accord, which is aresult of the Iraqis coming together to get us out. They have come to agree that we have used their real estate to stage a war(undeclared mind you) against terrorists (insurgents) that have come there to fight us. The only chance that they have for any type of normalcy, probably not what we would call normal, is to get us out. Bush has never tried to establish a date.

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Well I would like the president, and the rest of the government for that matter, to do something for me. It is after all a government "for the people, by the people." And not once did I say I hate America. I believe this is the greatest country on Earth, I just don't believe we should force every other country to see things the way we do. I don't intend to do anything for you whatsoever, and apparently neither did President Bush. We are in a recession and he has the lowest approval ratings ever. But yeah of course he is a good president....right.

 

Well if the president doesnt do anything for me, how about this. I expect the President to do an adequate job, and to do the things he said he would do when we voted for him. I voted for Bush back in 2004 because I thought it was a bad idea to change power in the middle of a war. That was my sole basis for voting, and I feel bad that I didn't look at the issues. 4 years later our country is looked down upon by the rest of the world. We are in 2 unpopular wars and our economy is in the crapper.

 

I also think it hilarious how people say our country is turning to socialism. Why? because Obama wants to provide healthcare to everyone? You know what? If you have healthcare, you have nothing to worry about. It is for people who do NOT have healthcare already. Does anyone consider Great Britain, our strongest ally, socialist? Well they have universal healthcare.

 

Finally, I would ask you what good things President Bush has done? Try not to hurt yourself thinking about it.

 

I'll ask you the same question I asked teacup in another thread.

 

You're a retard, aren't you?

 

I honestly didn't expect you to do anything for me. You're the kind of guy who thinks only of himself and what others can do for you. I bet your friends screen you when you call.

 

Your lack of knowledge regarding our economy is, to say the very least, apparent. You talk about the recession in which we find ourselves, and then lay the blame for that at the feet of the President. Tell me why it's his fault, when your democratically led congress ignored warnings about the housing crisis, patted Freddie and Fannie on the back, and took huge sums of money from them. Oil skyrocketed to the point the number one indirect client in the country (the auto industry) came to the brink of ruin, and your democratic "leader" created a charity line beginning at the the doors of congress. Show me again where the President is to blame for that.

 

What has he done for me?

 

Kept terror out of my back yard.

Lowered my taxes which helped my business and allowed me to create jobs.

Kept unemployment down to near 5% for the majority of his term, until the last two years.

Kept his nose out of my business.

 

What more could a guy ask?

 

What have you done for anyone lately besides expect them to do for you?

 

People like you are not only uninformed (by choice or pure stupidity, you decide), as the result of your ignorance you make poor choices and ridiculous comments that make you appear stupid.

 

Needy people make me sick

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