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#1 osup116

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:00 PM

First link is Obama blowing smoke about how we are Drilling. Although it is true private production, This administration has done everything it can to block oil prodution on Federal land
http://www.realclear...is_country.html


2nd link is the proff to my statement

http://www.institute...-at-9-year-low/


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:15 PM

IF the "conservative" congress would have forced bubba to drill in ANWR, we would be getting the benefits of that extra oil today....this issue is kept going, with no end in sight, and no drilling coming, by BOTH parties in order to keep us focused on it and NOT what they are doing to the dollar through their economic policies.....they call it three card monty on the streets....lol.....

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:07 AM

I think many are missing the entire point about drilling.

1.There has been an increase in domestic drilling under Obama. Thats a fact.

2. It does not matter if we drill in every oil well in the US. We are still going to use overseas oil. Why, its very simple. Why use up our resources before we use up the worlds. Most of our oil here is strictly for reserves. In other words, its for us to have when the rest of the World runs dry. That gives us future leverage in energy.

3. The main factor in high gas prices is our dollar value. Until we get our debt down, and raise the value of our dollar, Gas and other goods will continue to rise in prices.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

I think many are missing the entire point about drilling.

1.There has been an increase in domestic drilling under Obama. Thats a fact.

2. It does not matter if we drill in every oil well in the US. We are still going to use overseas oil. Why, its very simple. Why use up our resources before we use up the worlds. Most of our oil here is strictly for reserves. In other words, its for us to have when the rest of the World runs dry. That gives us future leverage in energy.

3. The main factor in high gas prices is our dollar value. Until we get our debt down, and raise the value of our dollar, Gas and other goods will continue to rise in prices.

As to 1 and 2 - nope - need to read more what's going to happen next year, because of Obama's "energy" policies.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:04 AM

I'll remind what the liberal socialists' agenda truly is:



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

As to 1 and 2 - nope - need to read more what's going to happen next year, because of Obama's "energy" policies.



NOPE!!!! Wrong. There has been an increase in domestic drilling. This is not even a debate. Drilling is up. Thats a fact.
http://www.star-tele...t-a-record.html
http://www.eia.gov/d..._xr0_nus_cM.htm
http://www.eia.gov/t...ail.cfm?id=4671
http://www.politifac...eight-year-hig/

So you can deny this claim ,but you are wrong.

As to number 2 on my list, why do you think we continue to use oversea's oil. We have enough oil in the US to meet our demand. In 2011 we exported more oil than we imported. (by the way, this same article tells you we are producing more oil)
http://www.usatoday....boom/52053236/1
http://www.usatoday....port/52298812/1

so what does this tell you. It tells you that we don't need overseas oil. So why do we use it. We use it because why use up our precious resource first, when we can use up the worlds. Then when the world run out, they will come begging us to buy our oil. Then we can sale oil to them at our own prices. This keeps us on top of the oil industry.

Again, Im not saying the Bush Admin policies have not played somewhat of a role in increase drilling (although drilling dropped from 2003-2008 under Bush). But drilling did increase in 2009. Since that was Obama first yr, Im sure that had something to do with the Bush Admin. But to say drilling has decrease under Obama is flat out false. And I just showed you many stats to back it up.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:23 PM

I think many are missing the entire point about drilling.

1.There has been an increase in domestic drilling under Obama. Thats a fact.

This is my exact point. This administration wants to take credit for private drilling they have no control over. When in fact they have done everything in their power to block exploration and the ability to refine the oil we have.

2. It does not matter if we drill in every oil well in the US. We are still going to use overseas oil. Why, its very simple. Why use up our resources before we use up the worlds. Most of our oil here is strictly for reserves. In other words, its for us to have when the rest of the World runs dry. That gives us future leverage in energy.
This is false - We have enough untouched oil and gas reserves to last us over 200 years. It is estimated that there is 3 times as much oil in the off shore shelf than there is in Saudia Arabea. If tapped the U.S. would become a major player in oil market. Just by anouncing full intentions in opening full exploration would cause a shift in prices and the leverage the Arab world has in the world.
3. The main factor in high gas prices is our dollar value. Until we get our debt down, and raise the value of our dollar, Gas and other goods will continue to rise in prices.

I disagree with you on this point as well. Higher gas prices are a major factor on higher prices for goods and services. It is a major cost in production and transportation that is refected in the prices of the products we are using today. It would also strengthen our economy by putting our people to work. Increased pay = increased tax base. This goes for the added corperate tax recieved as well. Added tax revenue = paying down debt quicker. Paying down debt = streghthening dollar. Which will also lead to lower prices.


I guess we will just have to keep giving millions of dollars to Green energy companies so that they can go bankrupt in six months, while Arab countries rake in our money to increase their abilty to make war. What happens in 50 years when we are completly broke and instead buying our oil they decide to just come over and take it





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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

The liberals gave Bush the blame when gas reached $4 a gallon under his watch. It's only fair that Obama has his turn.



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

The liberals gave Bush the blame when gas reached $4 a gallon under his watch. It's only fair that Obama has his turn.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

The domestic drilling going up has been in spite of Obama's policies. He has had absolutely nothing to do with it. It's mostly on private lands and the permits and authorizations were awarded under previous presidents. That's a fact. Obama is anti-oil and petroleum products and so is his idiot energy secretary Steven Chu who is on record as wanting to raise gasoline prices to the levels of Europe. That's another fact!

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

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This is the real Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

On high gas prices Sen. OBAMA: said the problem is not how high that gas prices have risen, but that they went up too fast. 'I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.' Obama said.



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

Pitching his message to Oregon’s environmentally-conscious voters,

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.

“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.

"Thats not going to happen." Is Obama suggesting that if he becomes President that he will control what we as American's drive, how much we can eat and what our thermostats can be set at? I think it is very clear that is exactly what he is saying here.



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:00 PM

I disagree osup.

A weakening dollar is going to raise gas prices up plus goods and services. Now compounded on of that is due to transportation costs with gas prices rising, we then are going to see an increases in goods and services there as well.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

I disagree osup.

A weakening dollar is going to raise gas prices up plus goods and services. Now compounded on of that is due to transportation costs with gas prices rising, we then are going to see an increases in goods and services there as well.

I agree with you statement, but lowering our gas prices and putting the american worker back to work is a good step in turning our economy around. The transportation cost for private companies alone have lead to higher prices overall.From farming to driving a truck have been affected by it.

By allowing drilling and refining to flourish you open other support fields to open up. This in turn increases the tax base that will lead to lower debt. We can not tax ourselves out of the problem we are in. We have to turn the economy around and reap the increase tax base from companies flourishing.

On the foriegn policy side you would see a lot less banging of war drums over $40 dollar a gallon oil.



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

I think many are missing the entire point about drilling.

1.There has been an increase in domestic drilling under Obama. Thats a fact.

2. It does not matter if we drill in every oil well in the US. We are still going to use overseas oil. Why, its very simple. Why use up our resources before we use up the worlds. Most of our oil here is strictly for reserves. In other words, its for us to have when the rest of the World runs dry. That gives us future leverage in energy.

3. The main factor in high gas prices is our dollar value. Until we get our debt down, and raise the value of our dollar, Gas and other goods will continue to rise in prices.


The main reason for our high gas prices aren't any of these. We are currently taking up the slack in Europe by exporting our oil for their consumption, because of the sanctions on Iran. At the present time, who does the Obama Administration turn to for lower gas prices ? Oh yeah, Bush's "buddies" : http://www.reuters.c...E82F0W420120316 . I don't know if the sanctions on Iran will work. I've read articles such as this : http://news.xinhuane...c_131423579.htm . I've heard the White House blame the Bush Administration to Wall Street. I've seen people that are Obama supporters claim that it's the Koch Brothers raising the prices. I think we know what's causing the increase at the pump, and it's the sanctions on Iran. The sad thing is if we buy their oil, Iran will continue to work on their nuclear projects. They'll have the money to do so, and once all their reserves are used up, they'll do like the North Koreans have done and threaten their neighbors for aid from the U.S. .
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:32 PM

^+10 Good post Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:02 PM

The main reason for our high gas prices aren't any of these. We are currently taking up the slack in Europe by exporting our oil for their consumption, because of the sanctions on Iran. At the present time, who does the Obama Administration turn to for lower gas prices ? Oh yeah, Bush's "buddies" : http://www.reuters.c...E82F0W420120316 . I don't know if the sanctions on Iran will work. I've read articles such as this : http://news.xinhuane...c_131423579.htm . I've heard the White House blame the Bush Administration to Wall Street. I've seen people that are Obama supporters claim that it's the Koch Brothers raising the prices. I think we know what's causing the increase at the pump, and it's the sanctions on Iran. The sad thing is if we buy their oil, Iran will continue to work on their nuclear projects. They'll have the money to do so, and once all their reserves are used up, they'll do like the North Koreans have done and threaten their neighbors for aid from the U.S. .


good point. But all the republican candidates (except Ron Paul) are talking about bombing Iran when they get in office. So what happens to gas prices then?

Gas prices are on a global market. We could drill every field in America and it wouldn't affect the prices for at least 10 yrs. And its clear we have more than enough oil to sustain ourselves, but yet we still buy from OPEC. And until their fields dry up, nothing will change. So we will always be on the global market with oil.

So what can we do to drop the prices. First we must get the dollar value in order.

But the best solution is to find another energy source. Biofuel (french fry grease), natural gas cars, etc. This is the way to go. We can do this now. There are already cars running on this. And natural gas is cheaper.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:23 PM

The main reason for our high gas prices aren't any of these. We are currently taking up the slack in Europe by exporting our oil for their consumption, because of the sanctions on Iran. At the present time, who does the Obama Administration turn to for lower gas prices ? Oh yeah, Bush's "buddies" : http://www.reuters.c...E82F0W420120316 . I don't know if the sanctions on Iran will work. I've read articles such as this : http://news.xinhuane...c_131423579.htm . I've heard the White House blame the Bush Administration to Wall Street. I've seen people that are Obama supporters claim that it's the Koch Brothers raising the prices. I think we know what's causing the increase at the pump, and it's the sanctions on Iran. The sad thing is if we buy their oil, Iran will continue to work on their nuclear projects. They'll have the money to do so, and once all their reserves are used up, they'll do like the North Koreans have done and threaten their neighbors for aid from the U.S. .


The main reason for high prices on EVERYTHING is because we have printed so many dollars (see keynesians) that the dollar is losing its value......

Mark 16: 16..."16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Acts 2: 38...."38And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 22: 16...."16And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."

I Peter 3: 21...."21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:33 AM

The main reason for high prices on EVERYTHING is because we have printed so many dollars (see keynesians) that the dollar is losing its value......

That's not exactly the only reason.




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