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Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

It took a lot of digging but I found the alignment they proposed for East Texas 4A:

 

 

District 6 (4A DIV II)
Hallsville
Henderson
Jacksonville
Kilgore
Lindale
Longview Pine Tree
Mount Pleasant
Whitehouse

 

That's an awesome district as far as travel goes.  Of course that is based on 2008 numbers.  So you might drop Kilgore out of the mix.  MP is the only one of that group that would have significant travel.

 

District 8 (4A DIV I)
Longview
Marshall
Nacogdoches
Rockwall
Rockwall-Heath
Texarkana Texas

 

This was a "study" done back in 2008.  It was met on SDC (for just about all classes) with moans.  I thought it was Rowlett schools, but it was Rockwall (which I beleive are firmly 5A now).  Again...this was a 2008 study, so things have changed.

 

Here is the broken link for those that know how to make those work again....LOL:

http://www.uil.utexa...lign_study.html

 

 

These are the numbers that the old coach page had posted on it:

 

SPLIT CONFERENCE FOOTBALL ALIGNMENT STUDY - DRAFT


This is a draft of a plan that could split football conferences into two
divisions. This is not a proposal by UIL staff, nor has it been
approved by the UIL Legislative Council.

The study of a split conference alignment plan for football is complete. This plan
divides each conference into two divisions in football. The largest half of each
conference is grouped into a division and the smaller half of the conference is divided into a separate division. The large school division has 16 districts and the smallest half of each conference has 16 districts. Approximately six to eight schools are placed into each district. The same number of schools from each district advance to the playoffs. Twelve champions would be crowned as is done currently.

Possible Advantages:
• Provides more clarity and less confusion regarding who is Division I and who is
Division II.
• Clearly defines divisions prior to the season rather than at the end of district play.
• Creates more equity in relation to the largest and smallest school within a
division.
• Eliminates two schools with the largest enrollments in the state advancing to the
playoffs in the smaller enrollment division.
• Eliminates the smallest schools in a conference grouped with the largest schools
in a conference.

Possible Disadvantges:
• Additional travel.
• Other team sport activities could want the same division alignment.
• Creates an additional group of schools that will be the smallest within a division.
• Creates administrative inconvenience.
• Scheduling issues could occur in multi-school districts that share stadiums.

The UIL staff presented the concept to the Legislative Council in June and October.
The Council authorized this study to provide information regarding the actual
placement of schools into districts. This draft is for study purposes only and
applies only to football.

Conference -Enrollment -Range -Number of schools
5A Division 1 -2565 and above -123
5A Division 2 -2085 - 2564 -123
4A Division 1 -1520 - 2084 -120
4A Division 2 -980 - 1519 -121
3A Division 1 -629 - 979 -89
3A Division 2 -430 - 628 -88
2A Division 1 -292 - 429 -103
2A Division 2 -200 - 291 -102
1A Division 1 -155 - 199 -82
1A Division 2 -100 - 154 -82

Not sure how that changes with 6A coming next year.  Especially when the change is in name only. 

 

How different would Longview's district look if they fell into a district 5A Div II???  Who in their district would bump up to a Div I district and who would be left???

 

Marshall would be on the bubble between 4A Div I and II.  So they could fall in to a district with Texas High, JT and Nac.... but who else would there be???  No one else is even close to 1500 and up....maybe MP.

 

Then Halls, PT, WH, Jax, SS......

 

These numbers would have to change somewhat from 2008 to now.


2013 MARSHALL MAVERICK SCHEDULE

Aug 30 Kilgore
Sep 06 Longview
Sep 14 @ Bossier Parkway 5PM
Sep 20 @ Whitehouse
Sep 27 Jacksonville
Oct 05 OPEN
Oct 11 @ Hallsville*
Oct 18 Mt. Pleasant*
Oct 25 @ Pine Tree*
Nov 01 Texas High*
Nov 08 @ Sulphur Springs*

Nov 15 BI-DISTRICT: Wylie


THE MARSHALL MAVERICKS
1990 5A Div I STATE CHAMPIONS
STATE RUNNER UP: 2004 4A Division I, 2005 4A Division I
STATE SEMI-FINALISTS: 1926, 1928, 1989
STATE QUARTER-FINALISTS/REGIONAL: 1924, 1925, 1927, 1945, 1949, 1988, 1994, 2007, 2009
AREA FINALIST: 1945, 1993, 1996, 2008
BI DISTRICT FINALSTS: 1924, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1945, 1949, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010
DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (20): 1908, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1962, 1966, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996, 2005
PLAYOFF APPEARANCES: 1908, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1962, 1966, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013


 


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

I hope it doesn't happen....but I have a feeling that the creation of a 6A is just the first step in the UIL forming the Div I and Div II districts for each class.
 
It will create 12 state champions..... yeah.  12.
 
It will improve travel for the already spoiled metropolitain schools.....unless they are on the outskirts of a metro area, then they are about to get screwed.
 
Seems like.....if I recall correctly, UIL released a mock line-up in this manner in 2008 or so.  The 4A Div I bracket (soon to be named 5A Div I bracket) looked something like this:
 
Nacogdoches
Marshall
Texas High
Longview
I think they had 2 Rowlett schools with us.
 
That's some ridiculous travel.....especially for Nac.  But travel is rarely part of the criterion for UIL thought.  Then you had a 5A Div II with Hallsville, PT, MP, WH, Jax and the rest of Etx.... a sweet travel plan.
 
I hope it doesn't happen.....but usually when UIL sends warning shots....believe them.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:40 PM

Where is JT in all of this?

 

They were still in 5A when the study was done.  But my guess would be that they would have been in 5A Div II with whoever else had less than 2,500 in their district.  Horn I assume?  I don't recall the enrollments of that district.  Seems like I recall North being in Div I.

 

Been too long ago.

 

But JT would (now) be in the 4A Div I bracket.....which if it existed now I'd guess would include: JT, Marshall, Texas High, Nacogdoches and probably Mesquite high and some of their neighbors.

 

If we could get 2 full blown districts in East Texas for each 4A Div I and 4A Div II without having to merge with the metroplex schools, I'd support that proposal.

 

But the idea that Nac, Texarkana, and Marshall could be going to the etroplex for district games seems a bit extreme.  Not a bad drive for JT to the Dallas area.  But Nac and Txk.....that's extreme.  And I know Longview has been doing it for years....but tack on another 20 miles for Marshall to go to Mesquite.  At least it's a stright shot on i-20.  Nac though...ouch.


2013 MARSHALL MAVERICK SCHEDULE

Aug 30 Kilgore
Sep 06 Longview
Sep 14 @ Bossier Parkway 5PM
Sep 20 @ Whitehouse
Sep 27 Jacksonville
Oct 05 OPEN
Oct 11 @ Hallsville*
Oct 18 Mt. Pleasant*
Oct 25 @ Pine Tree*
Nov 01 Texas High*
Nov 08 @ Sulphur Springs*

Nov 15 BI-DISTRICT: Wylie


THE MARSHALL MAVERICKS
1990 5A Div I STATE CHAMPIONS
STATE RUNNER UP: 2004 4A Division I, 2005 4A Division I
STATE SEMI-FINALISTS: 1926, 1928, 1989
STATE QUARTER-FINALISTS/REGIONAL: 1924, 1925, 1927, 1945, 1949, 1988, 1994, 2007, 2009
AREA FINALIST: 1945, 1993, 1996, 2008
BI DISTRICT FINALSTS: 1924, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1945, 1949, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010
DISTRICT CHAMPIONS (20): 1908, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1962, 1966, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996, 2005
PLAYOFF APPEARANCES: 1908, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1962, 1966, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013


 


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

 

 

But JT would (now) be in the 4A Div I bracket.....which if it existed now I'd guess would include: JT, Marshall, Texas High, Nacogdoches and probably Mesquite high and some of their neighbors.

 

Have you seen Marshall's enrollment lately? Div 1 would be very doubtful..


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:55 PM

But JT would (now) be in the 4A Div I bracket.....which if it existed now I'd guess would include: JT, Marshall, Texas High, Nacogdoches and probably Mesquite high and some of their neighbors.

 

All the Mesquite 5A schools would be in the 5A DII category for your prospal. As would the Rockwall schools, atm.

 

As for the travel....you get use to it. Don't think Marshall has much to worry about though anytime soon.


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THE LONGVIEW LOBOS
1937 1A STATE CHAMPIONS
1997 5A Division I - 2008 4A Division I - 2009 4A Division I State Finalist
1947, 1975, 2010 State Semi-Finalist
1940, 1986, 1996, 2002, 2007 State Quarterfinalist
2004, 2011, 2012, 2013 Regional Finalist
1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1993, 2001, 2006 Area Finalist

1927 Bi-District Champions
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 04:16 PM

Really people. In football there is 12 different classifications if you count 3A big school/ little school.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

Have you seen Marshall's enrollment lately? Div 1 would be very doubtful..

You know Marshall wants to avoid being in a District with Longview...you are aware of the 20 year win streak Longview had against Marshall in the 70/80 era? Coach Cox NEVER lost to Marshall...remember?                             



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

You know Marshall wants to avoid being in a District with Longview...you are aware of the 20 year win streak Longview had against Marshall in the 70/80 era? Coach Cox NEVER lost to Marshall...remember?                             

Slightly before my time..so I can't "claim to remember it". But I'm aware of it. 

 

Currently sitting at 12 straight..beating them by about 5 TD's on average since 2007.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

You know Marshall wants to avoid being in a District with Longview

 

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1937 1A STATE CHAMPIONS
1997 5A Division I - 2008 4A Division I - 2009 4A Division I State Finalist
1947, 1975, 2010 State Semi-Finalist
1940, 1986, 1996, 2002, 2007 State Quarterfinalist
2004, 2011, 2012, 2013 Regional Finalist
1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1993, 2001, 2006 Area Finalist

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1924, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1942, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1992, 2003, 2005 Bi-District Finalists
1924, 1927, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1947, 1958, 1959, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1983, 1984, 1985,
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

Slightly before my time..so I can't "claim to remember it". But I'm aware of it. 

 

Currently sitting at 12 straight..beating them by about 5 TD's on average since 2007.

Really? Where is '73 when I need some backup! Ya'll are going to HAVE to quit making shots at the "old" people!


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:31 PM

Any predictions for what Spring Hill is going up against next year as far as the teams that might be in their district?



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:55 PM

Slightly before my time..so I can't "claim to remember it". But I'm aware of it. 

 

Currently sitting at 12 straight..beating them by about 5 TD's on average since 2007.

Which has been more one sided...Lobos over Mavs or Lufkin over Nac ?                                             



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:06 PM

Which has been more one sided...Lobos over Mavs or Lufkin over Nac ?                                             

 

Nac has not  beaten LP since 1992.  Honestly with the lone exception of that year the game was cancelled due to Hurricane the only competive game was in 2005.



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:20 PM

 

Nac has not  beaten LP since 1992.  Honestly with the lone exception of that year the game was cancelled due to Hurricane the only competive game was in 2005.

How many of these games had the Lobos or LP agreeing to run the clock to get the game over? I know last year they run the clock at Lobo Stadium.                                                                                                                                     



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:30 PM

Which has been more one sided...Lobos over Mavs or Lufkin over Nac ?                                             

Lufkin-Nac. You think the beatdowns the Lobos have been giving Marshall were anything.. Lufkin has the folks down in NAC utterly hating football. Lol
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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

Lufkin-Nac. You think the beatdowns the Lobos have been giving Marshall were anything.. Lufkin has the folks down in NAC utterly hating football. Lol

Reminds me of the meaning of insanity...doing the same thing over and over again the same way and looking for a different result.



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:07 PM

It took a lot of digging but I found the alignment they proposed for East Texas 4A:
 
 
District 6 (4A DIV II)
Hallsville
Henderson
Jacksonville
Kilgore
Lindale
Longview Pine Tree
Mount Pleasant
Whitehouse
 
That's an awesome district as far as travel goes.  Of course that is based on 2008 numbers.  So you might drop Kilgore out of the mix.  MP is the only one of that group that would have significant travel.

 
District 8 (4A DIV I)
Longview
Marshall
Nacogdoches
Rockwall
Rockwall-Heath
Texarkana Texas
 
This was a "study" done back in 2008.  It was met on SDC (for just about all classes) with moans.  I thought it was Rowlett schools, but it was Rockwall (which I beleive are firmly 5A now).  Again...this was a 2008 study, so things have changed.
 
Here is the broken link for those that know how to make those work again....LOL:
http://www.uil.utexa...lign_study.html
 
 
These are the numbers that the old coach page had posted on it:
 
SPLIT CONFERENCE FOOTBALL ALIGNMENT STUDY - DRAFT


This is a draft of a plan that could split football conferences into two
divisions. This is not a proposal by UIL staff, nor has it been
approved by the UIL Legislative Council.

The study of a split conference alignment plan for football is complete. This plan
divides each conference into two divisions in football. The largest half of each
conference is grouped into a division and the smaller half of the conference is divided into a separate division. The large school division has 16 districts and the smallest half of each conference has 16 districts. Approximately six to eight schools are placed into each district. The same number of schools from each district advance to the playoffs. Twelve champions would be crowned as is done currently.

Possible Advantages:
Provides more clarity and less confusion regarding who is Division I and who is
Division II.
Clearly defines divisions prior to the season rather than at the end of district play.
Creates more equity in relation to the largest and smallest school within a
division.
Eliminates two schools with the largest enrollments in the state advancing to the
playoffs in the smaller enrollment division.
Eliminates the smallest schools in a conference grouped with the largest schools
in a conference.

Possible Disadvantges:
Additional travel.
Other team sport activities could want the same division alignment.
Creates an additional group of schools that will be the smallest within a division.
Creates administrative inconvenience.
Scheduling issues could occur in multi-school districts that share stadiums.

The UIL staff presented the concept to the Legislative Council in June and October.
The Council authorized this study to provide information regarding the actual
placement of schools into districts. This draft is for study purposes only and
applies only to football.

Conference -Enrollment -Range -Number of schools
5A Division 1 -2565 and above -123
5A Division 2 -2085 - 2564 -123
4A Division 1 -1520 - 2084 -120
4A Division 2 -980 - 1519 -121
3A Division 1 -629 - 979 -89
3A Division 2 -430 - 628 -88
2A Division 1 -292 - 429 -103
2A Division 2 -200 - 291 -102
1A Division 1 -155 - 199 -82
1A Division 2 -100 - 154 -82

Not sure how that changes with 6A coming next year.  Especially when the change is in name only. 
 
How different would Longview's district look if they fell into a district 5A Div II???  Who in their district would bump up to a Div I district and who would be left???
 
Marshall would be on the bubble between 4A Div I and II.  So they could fall in to a district with Texas High, JT and Nac.... but who else would there be???  No one else is even close to 1500 and up....maybe MP.
 
Then Halls, PT, WH, Jax, SS......
 
These numbers would have to change somewhat from 2008 to now.


MP is right at that split as well. They will b right at the 1500 mark this year with the fresh class comin in.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:28 AM

How many of these games had the Lobos or LP agreeing to run the clock to get the game over? I know last year they run the clock at Lobo Stadium.                                                                                                                                     

 

LoL Last year game against LP/Nac was brutal . The only reason why Nac even scored was the Ref let an obvious holding call go. ( I Got a ref that is a good friend) and he told me that they hoped to get this over with before the game.



Lufkin-Nac. You think the beatdowns the Lobos have been giving Marshall were anything.. Lufkin has the folks down in NAC utterly hating football. Lol

 

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:23 AM

 

LoL Last year game against LP/Nac was brutal . The only reason why Nac even scored was the Ref let an obvious holding call go. ( I Got a ref that is a good friend) and he told me that they hoped to get this over with before the game.



 

Good one

I hear LP brings up the starting JV to let them play in a Friday night game when playing Nac...the LP starters are out of the game in the first half...or quarter ?                                                                                                         



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:32 AM

I hear LP brings up the starting JV to let them play in a Friday night game when playing Nac...the LP starters are out of the game in the first half...or quarter ?                                                                                                         

Dunno. You'll have to ask Pack007 about that. (only Lufkin fan on this board that I know of)


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