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#21 Yoe09

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:25 PM

I would say they pretty much keep the numbers in the new 3A(2A now) the same.  They may move up by 5-10 like normal, but still somewhere within the range of where they have been.  This is the same thing the Padilla Poll is projecting for 2014: http://scores.psquar...ment_breaks.htm It makes since to pull from the current 4a since there are a larger number of larger teams and less smaller teams across the state.  

 

Essentially, the biggest change comes in 4A DI(the current 3A).  In terms of the largest gap between numbers, you will see that is currently in 3A & 4A.  

 

Look at the breakdown of the current realignment and the 2014 projected padilla poll alignment with percentage gaps:

 

Current (2012):
 

4A: 1005-2089 - 51%

3A: 450-1004 - 55%

2A DI: 298-449 - 33%

2A DII: 200-29.5 - 32%

1A DI: 150.5-199 - 24%

 

Projected (2014):

 

5A: 1250-2149 - 41%

4A DI: 786.5-1249 - 37%

4A DII: 460-786 - 41%

3A DI: 300-459 - 34%

3A DII: 200-299 - 33%

2A DI: 150.5-199 - 24%

 

 

 

Now, taking this even further, look at the Padilla Poll projected 2016 realignment: http://scores.psquar...realignment.htm (You can see all the projected 2016 districts by choosing at the bottom of this link).  

 

6A: 1730-2549 - 32%

5A: 870-1729 - 49%

4A DI: 578-869 - 33%

4A DII: 400-577.5 - 30%

3A DI: 292-399 - 26%

3A DII: 205-291 - 29%

2A DI: 155-204 24%

2A DII: 100-154 35%

 

Now, would it be possible to divide up 5A into two divisions as well?  IDK, but that is a question I would have.  It you would divide the 5A up, it would end up looking like this:

 

6A: 1730-2549 - 32%

5A DI: 1200-1729 - 27%

5A DII: 870-1199 - 30%

4A DI: 578-869 - 33%

4A DII: 400-577.5 - 30%

3A DI: 292-399 - 26%

3A DII: 205-291 - 29%

2A DI: 155-204 - 24%

2A DII: 100-154 - 35%

 

Now, you could just split 5A once the playoffs begin....I'm just not sure if the split would work in terms of traveling and the number of teams.  All smaller schools would have a range of 80 to around 90 teams in each division.  To me, this would be the most ideal situation in the end.  



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:15 AM

The UIL is on record saying Location will not play a part. They want equal enrollmemnt. You could have a town 8 miles apart like Troup and Apr and be in different districts. Also Mount Enterprise plays a school that in the town you can litearlly see the Gulf of Mexico. You think the UIL cares LMBO.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:19 AM

I'm still not sure why the UIL only divides into division 1 and 2 for football season.    I know it would screw up the state tournament format, but in our school, of the 8 teams in the basketball and baseball district, 6 are in division 1.  That makes it really hard to compete in the winter and spring sports with the amount of kids they have to pick from.  Will this ever change?



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:33 AM

Any guesses for the cutoff in old 1A and 2A....... I have heard we are low 200's..... any chance we fall?

 

I think it would be logical to make the maximum cutoff for 1A (which I'm guessing will be 2A next year) at around 210-229. Schools like Garrison, Groveton, and Joaquin jump across the current cutoff enough already. That would bring many teams down like - Frankston (206), Crawford (210) Riesel (204), Hawkins (213), Groveton (204), Deweyville (201), Clarksville (210), Como-Pickton (213), Ore City (218), Moody (205), Bloomington (208) Johnson City (206) and **Schulenburg (212) and **Refugio (204)  ---- Essentially recreating the old Class 2A -- especially since many of the old 2A's have dropped to 1A already.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:00 AM

Dividing the lower classifications (1A and 2A) into Division I and Division II during the realignment process instead of using their old formula to determine which schools go into the small school and large school brackets prior to the playoffs was the most positive thing the UIL has done in the past 40 years.  It levels the playing field and ensures a much fairer competition level based on school enrollment.  I believe they should eventually do the same thing all the way up the classifications.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:54 AM

I know exactly what you are talking about. When the UIL first did this they said it was because of travel on Tuesday night games. If a team has to travel 3 hours for a football game that is on Friday night there is no school the next day. If a team has to travel 3 hours on a Tuesday night and then get home at 1 am and go to school the next day then that was the reasoning. But in east Texas you could have much more completive districts with the div 1 and div 2 format since there are so many smaller towns in the area. I hope this gets brought up cause when your school has 225 and you have to play a school with 435 that is like you playing against two schools your size. So yes that needs to be addressed

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I'm still not sure why the UIL only divides into division 1 and 2 for football season.    I know it would screw up the state tournament format, but in our school, of the 8 teams in the basketball and baseball district, 6 are in division 1.  That makes it really hard to compete in the winter and spring sports with the amount of kids they have to pick from.  Will this ever change?[/quote]

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:59 AM

 Why would we be in a district with Eustace, Malakoff and Kemp which is really out of our area? The district that would make sense is Quitman, Mount Vernon, Winnsboro, and Grand Saline and other east of Mount Vernon.

 

 

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:39 PM

Does anyone see the chance of keeping the division 1 and division 2 in other sports like basketball and baseball.  The size difference is just as big in those sports as it is in football.

I sure hope not. Only two teams need to go. Nothing worse then watching bad teams make the playoffs


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:48 PM

So would there be splits for basketball like there are for football with the new system?



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:49 PM

So would there be splits for basketball like there are for football with the new system?

 

I haven't heard any plans for that.  That would only seem fair for the other sports like basketball and baseball.



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 03:28 PM

If a district adds another high school, how does that figure into the realignment? The 800-1000 students don't magically appear. They're pulled from other high schools in the district. So do they just estimate the enrollment numbers based on next fall?

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 03:54 PM

If a district adds another high school, how does that figure into the realignment? The 800-1000 students don't magically appear. They're pulled from other high schools in the district. So do they just estimate the enrollment numbers based on next fall?

 

 

It's complicated:

 

http://www.uiltexas....s_2012-2014.pdf


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 06:26 PM

I'm still not sure why the UIL only divides into division 1 and 2 for football season.    I know it would screw up the state tournament format, but in our school, of the 8 teams in the basketball and baseball district, 6 are in division 1.  That makes it really hard to compete in the winter and spring sports with the amount of kids they have to pick from.  Will this ever change?

You guys are always whining about the fairness.  What about 3A soccer.  We have 650 kids in the school and we have to compete against the Highland Parks, Frisco's and John Tyler's of the world.  How fair is that to the kids?



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:06 PM

You guys are always whining about the fairness.  What about 3A soccer.  We have 650 kids in the school and we have to compete against the Highland Parks, Frisco's and John Tyler's of the world.  How fair is that to the kids?

 

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 08:57 PM

You guys are always whining about the fairness.  What about 3A soccer.  We have 650 kids in the school and we have to compete against the Highland Parks, Frisco's and John Tyler's of the world.  How fair is that to the kids?

 

 

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:01 PM

 
 
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

 
I think it would be logical to make the maximum cutoff for 1A (which I'm guessing will be 2A next year) at around 210-229. Schools like Garrison, Groveton, and Joaquin jump across the current cutoff enough already. That would bring many teams down like - Frankston (206), Crawford (210) Riesel (204), Hawkins (213), Groveton (204), Deweyville (201), Clarksville (210), Como-Pickton (213), Ore City (218), Moody (205), Bloomington (208) Johnson City (206) and **Schulenburg (212) and **Refugio (204)  ---- Essentially recreating the old Class 2A -- especially since many of the old 2A's have dropped to 1A already.


The number won't jump that much. The "major" changes are happening at the 3A and up level.
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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:32 PM

I would say they pretty much keep the numbers in the new 3A(2A now) the same.  They may move up by 5-10 like normal, but still somewhere within the range of where they have been.  This is the same thing the Padilla Poll is projecting for 2014: http://scores.psquar...ment_breaks.htm It makes since to pull from the current 4a since there are a larger number of larger teams and less smaller teams across the state.  

 

Essentially, the biggest change comes in 4A DI(the current 3A).  In terms of the largest gap between numbers, you will see that is currently in 3A & 4A.  

 

Look at the breakdown of the current realignment and the 2014 projected padilla poll alignment with percentage gaps:

 

Current (2012):
 

4A: 1005-2089 - 51%

3A: 450-1004 - 55%

2A DI: 298-449 - 33%

2A DII: 200-29.5 - 32%

1A DI: 150.5-199 - 24%

 

Projected (2014):

 

5A: 1250-2149 - 41%

4A DI: 786.5-1249 - 37%

4A DII: 460-786 - 41%

3A DI: 300-459 - 34%

3A DII: 200-299 - 33%

2A DI: 150.5-199 - 24%

 

If Padilla's 2014 predictions are correct, then the following classification changes would take place:

 

5A to old 4A/new 5A:

A&M Consolidated

Abilene

Abilene Cooper

Lufkin

Temple

 

4A to old 5A/new 6A:

Montgomery

Trophy Club Nelson

 

4A to old 3A/new 4A (this is the huge one):

Bay City

Beeville Jones

Castroville Medina Valley

Corpus Christi Calallen

Corpus Christi Tuloso-Midway

Dumas

Floresville

Greenville

Hereford

Jacksonville

Lindale

Longview Pine Tree

Lumberton

Marble Falls

Orange Little Cypress-Mauriceville

Port Lavaca Calhoun

San Elizario

Sulphur Springs

Terrell

Uvalde

 

3A to old 4A/new 5A:

College Station

Frisco Lone Star (I assume)

 

3A to old 2A/new 3A:

Hillsboro

Lyford

Pollok Central

Presidio

Rockdale

Yoakum

 

2A to old 3A/new 4A:

Caddo Mills

Salado

 

2A to old 1A/new 2A:

Abernathy

Bloomington

Clarksville

Deweyville

El Maton Tidehaven

Floydada

Frankston

Garrison

Refugio

Sanford-Fritch

 

1A to old 2A/new 3A:

Ben Bolt-Palito Blanco

Harper

Itasca

Joaquin

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

The number won't jump that much. The "major" changes are happening at the 3A and up level.

I agree. I can see the top end of both 1A divisions going up by 10, but probably no more than that. Still, that gets some 2A stalwarts like Garrison and Refugio into 1A. I know next year it will be 2A, I'm just having a hard time adjusting to it.
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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

From what I have heard around Garrison, they should turn in something around 250 (big jump).  That would be close to if not the highest thay have ever been.   Don't know how accurate that is, but that's the rumor.


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