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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:25 PM

I really don't think the Bears saw the "real" Bulldogs last week, but then again who really knows. 10 of Kilgore's 17 1st half points against the Bears came after Gladewater turnovers in Bear territory. Both teams made their share of mistakes in the 1st half. In the 2nd half the Bear defense limited the Bulldogs to only 1 first down, and the only Kilgore score came from a Bear pitch the hit the Bulldog defender in stride at the Gladewater 25 yrd. line. Kilgore had the ball 5 times in the 2nd half and went 3 and out punting 3 times. On another possession they fumbled and the Bears returned it 64 yards to set up their lone TD. The other Kilgore possession ended the game. Kilgore had 40 total yards of offense in the 2nd half. And as buckeyefandom said, the Bears were running the ball down Kilgore's throat pretty successfully. 


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:38 PM

Gladewater had 51 carries for 185 yds. That's not really anything to write home about. Kilgore had about 50 more yds of offense and ran 22 fewer plays than Gwater. We also had a 60 yd TD run called back, a 55 yd run called back, and a pick 6 called back. It was an ugly game, but it was never in doubt.
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:42 PM

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Can you break it down for us on your predictions on how ch will score 45 pts? We all wanna hear this!! Since you know kilgore real well after 1 or 2 gms yoy5 said you have watched.[/quote]

Sure thing. It's called BALANCE. And that is not something Kilgore's defense has had to cope with all year. A one dimensional team like Gladewater lined up and ran over Kilgore. CH averages 44.5 points per game, and has scored 7 TDs in 5 of their 8 games. The three games they did NOT score 7 TDs? 5 TDs against Whitehouse...the #2 ranked team in Texas 4A, 4 TDs against Gilmer... The #1 ranked team in Texas 3A, and 3 TDs against Carthage...a Top 10 3A Team whose only loss is to Whitehouse. Stiff enough competition for ya? I would argue THAT may be the toughest 3A schedule in the state this season. And CH is the better for having run that gauntlet.

Is Kilgore's defense the best CH has seen this year? That's debatable. Will Kilgore be the beat team CH has seen this year? That's debatable. And has CH STILL managed to score points against EVERYBODY they have faced? Yep.

Now. Let's see what Kilgore has done against "Like Opponents" CH has faced as well.

Kilgore scored 41 against SH.
CH scored 49 against SH
Kilgore scored 49 against Bullard
CH scored 56 against Bullard

Now compare the statistics of RUN vs PASS. Given the understanding that both teams have been on the winning end of some Lopsided victories, therefore running the ball more in the second half... I have taken ONLY first half stats from the big wins from both teams. What I found? CH is a 60-40 run pass / team. Kilgore is a 70-30 run pass team. CH is more balanced, and has the better QB.

Now, throw in the rushing yards and first down stats from last week's Gladewater game, and the conclusion is that Kilgore did NOT stop a team that is 72-25 run / pass. And if you know a team is one dimensional and you still don't stop them, THEN what?

I'm not belittling your beloved Bulldogs. But you need to recognize that the team coming to Kilgore
Has been tested by fire and has already seen the best ET has to offer... And they know one thing for sure. They can SCORE on ANYBODY! I will be shocked if CH is not still playing in Rd 3 or even deeper in the playoffs. They are a REALLY good football team, and are BY FAR the best team Kilgore has seen all year.

CH hung 5 TDs on the #2 Team in 4A
CH hung 4 TDs on the #1 Team in 3A

So you must be saying that Kilgore's defense (the one who 5 nights ago gave up 300+ yards to a one dimensional 3-5 team that gave the ball to you 6 TIMES and you STILL only beat by 18 points) is going to stop CH?

You don't think CH can score their season average on THAT defense? Then your assumption CAN ONLY be that Kilgore is on par or better than Whitehouse or Gilmer. If they are, then Halloween must come on October 18th in Kilgore, because whoever that was masquerading as the "Ragin Red" at Jack Murphy Stadium last week sure had some authentic looking costumes. But as soon as the game started, it was easy to
see that was NOT a "Top 5"team. We're about to find out if that was an aberration.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:25 PM

Gladewater had 51 carries for 185 yds. That's not really anything to write home about. Kilgore had about 50 more yds of offense and ran 22 fewer plays than Gwater. We also had a 60 yd TD run called back, a 55 yd run called back, and a pick 6 called back. It was an ugly game, but it was never in doubt.

 

 

On the pick 6, penalty happened after the interception so you still kept the ball only to throw an interception of your own into the endzone where a Bear made a mistake of trying to return it and ended up fumbling giving y'all the ball on the Bear 26. You gained 4 yards in 3 plays and kicked a 39 yrd FG. 

 

You forgot the 6 completions we had compared to 2 for Kilgore. OK, so the Bears controlled the ball better than the Bulldogs. And that's even with the 5 fumbles and 1 interception. I know the Bulldogs had 3 fumbles and an interception of their own. 

 

Look, this thread isn't about the Bears. It's about Kilgore and Chapel Hill. The point of my post was that the Bears did shut down the Kilgore offense in the 2nd half. And that was an offense that still had their starters in the game. And your defense didn't really stop the Bears. The Bears stopped themselves. Gladewater only had 3 series that went 3 plays. One was a 3 & out. On another drive they fumbled on the 3rd play(which was the pitch out that Kilgore's defense caught in mid air and scored), and the other 3 play drive was the Gladewater score after a 64 yrd return of a Bulldog fumble. All their other series were longer. Kilgore's 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half were all 3 & outs. The 4th one they fumbled on the 3rd play and the 5th possession was one of their longest and that was to run out the clock at the end of the game.

 

I'm sure none of the Kilgore fans in attendance ever thought the game was in doubt, but it sure gave the CH & Gilmer scouts something to look at.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:12 AM

 

 

On the pick 6, penalty happened after the interception so you still kept the ball only to throw an interception of your own into the endzone where a Bear made a mistake of trying to return it and ended up fumbling giving y'all the ball on the Bear 26. You gained 4 yards in 3 plays and kicked a 39 yrd FG. 

 

You forgot the 6 completions we had compared to 2 for Kilgore. OK, so the Bears controlled the ball better than the Bulldogs. And that's even with the 5 fumbles and 1 interception. I know the Bulldogs had 3 fumbles and an interception of their own. 

 

Look, this thread isn't about the Bears. It's about Kilgore and Chapel Hill. The point of my post was that the Bears did shut down the Kilgore offense in the 2nd half. And that was an offense that still had their starters in the game. And your defense didn't really stop the Bears. The Bears stopped themselves. Gladewater only had 3 series that went 3 plays. One was a 3 & out. On another drive they fumbled on the 3rd play(which was the pitch out that Kilgore's defense caught in mid air and scored), and the other 3 play drive was the Gladewater score after a 64 yrd return of a Bulldog fumble. All their other series were longer. Kilgore's 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half were all 3 & outs. The 4th one they fumbled on the 3rd play and the 5th possession was one of their longest and that was to run out the clock at the end of the game.

 

I'm sure none of the Kilgore fans in attendance ever thought the game was in doubt, but it sure gave the CH & Gilmer scouts something to look at.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:15 AM

Sure thing. It's called BALANCE. And that is not something Kilgore's defense has had to cope with all year. A one dimensional team like Gladewater lined up and ran over Kilgore. CH averages 44.5 points per game, and has scored 7 TDs in 5 of their 8 games. The three games they did NOT score 7 TDs? 5 TDs against Whitehouse...the #2 ranked team in Texas 4A, 4 TDs against Gilmer... The #1 ranked team in Texas 3A, and 3 TDs against Carthage...a Top 10 3A Team whose only loss is to Whitehouse. Stiff enough competition for ya? I would argue THAT may be the toughest 3A schedule in the state this season. And CH is the better for having run that gauntlet.

Is Kilgore's defense the best CH has seen this year? That's debatable. Will Kilgore be the beat team CH has seen this year? That's debatable. And has CH STILL managed to score points against EVERYBODY they have faced? Yep.

Now. Let's see what Kilgore has done against "Like Opponents" CH has faced as well.

Kilgore scored 41 against SH.
CH scored 49 against SH
Kilgore scored 49 against Bullard
CH scored 56 against Bullard

Now compare the statistics of RUN vs PASS. Given the understanding that both teams have been on the winning end of some Lopsided victories, therefore running the ball more in the second half... I have taken ONLY first half stats from the big wins from both teams. What I found? CH is a 60-40 run pass / team. Kilgore is a 70-30 run pass team. CH is more balanced, and has the better QB.

Now, throw in the rushing yards and first down stats from last week's Gladewater game, and the conclusion is that Kilgore did NOT stop a team that is 72-25 run / pass. And if you know a team is one dimensional and you still don't stop them, THEN what?

I'm not belittling your beloved Bulldogs. But you need to recognize that the team coming to Kilgore
Has been tested by fire and has already seen the best ET has to offer... And they know one thing for sure. They can SCORE on ANYBODY! I will be shocked if CH is not still playing in Rd 3 or even deeper in the playoffs. They are a REALLY good football team, and are BY FAR the best team Kilgore has seen all year.

CH hung 5 TDs on the #2 Team in 4A
CH hung 4 TDs on the #1 Team in 3A

So you must be saying that Kilgore's defense (the one who 5 nights ago gave up 300+ yards to a one dimensional 3-5 team that gave the ball to you 6 TIMES and you STILL only beat by 18 points) is going to stop CH?

You don't think CH can score their season average on THAT defense? Then your assumption CAN ONLY be that Kilgore is on par or better than Whitehouse or Gilmer. If they are, then Halloween must come on October 18th in Kilgore, because whoever that was masquerading as the "Ragin Red" at Jack Murphy Stadium last week sure had some authentic looking costumes. But as soon as the game started, it was easy to
see that was NOT a "Top 5"team. We're about to find out if that was an aberration.

Good post.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:17 AM

Man,,,, I would sure love to see this game.  One thing people need to understand.  If you have not seen Chapel Hill,,, you might be under estimating them.  These are some seriously big, strong athletic kids.  And they play hard, and tough.  If they have a really good game,,, this one could definitely shake up the district.  I watched the first half of the Gladewater game against Kilgore.  I mean no disrespect to Kilgore, because they have three of the best running backs in 16-3A.  But Gladewater had 5 turnovers in the first half of that game.  Had they not had the turnovers,, who knows what that score could have turned out to be.  Now I know Kilgore had 3 turnovers at least of their own,, but Gladewater had a receiver who was "WIDE OPEN" at Kilgores five yard line that would have been an easy touchdown,, but he dropped it,, and it was right in his hands.  I'm just saying,, the final score of that game, "COULD HAVE" been much closer,, or even a loss for Kilgore, with out GW's mistakes.  I don't know if they turned the ball over in the 2nd half or not,, but I'll just say Kilgore had better not be sloppy against CH,, cause "they" will "NOT", be as easy to beat as Gladewater. 


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:41 AM

Sure thing. It's called BALANCE. And that is not something Kilgore's defense has had to cope with all year. A one dimensional team like Gladewater lined up and ran over Kilgore. CH averages 44.5 points per game, and has scored 7 TDs in 5 of their 8 games. The three games they did NOT score 7 TDs? 5 TDs against Whitehouse...the #2 ranked team in Texas 4A, 4 TDs against Gilmer... The #1 ranked team in Texas 3A, and 3 TDs against Carthage...a Top 10 3A Team whose only loss is to Whitehouse. Stiff enough competition for ya? I would argue THAT may be the toughest 3A schedule in the state this season. And CH is the better for having run that gauntlet.

Is Kilgore's defense the best CH has seen this year? That's debatable. Will Kilgore be the beat team CH has seen this year? That's debatable. And has CH STILL managed to score points against EVERYBODY they have faced? Yep.

Now. Let's see what Kilgore has done against "Like Opponents" CH has faced as well.

Kilgore scored 41 against SH.
CH scored 49 against SH
Kilgore scored 49 against Bullard
CH scored 56 against Bullard

Now compare the statistics of RUN vs PASS. Given the understanding that both teams have been on the winning end of some Lopsided victories, therefore running the ball more in the second half... I have taken ONLY first half stats from the big wins from both teams. What I found? CH is a 60-40 run pass / team. Kilgore is a 70-30 run pass team. CH is more balanced, and has the better QB.

Now, throw in the rushing yards and first down stats from last week's Gladewater game, and the conclusion is that Kilgore did NOT stop a team that is 72-25 run / pass. And if you know a team is one dimensional and you still don't stop them, THEN what?

I'm not belittling your beloved Bulldogs. But you need to recognize that the team coming to Kilgore
Has been tested by fire and has already seen the best ET has to offer... And they know one thing for sure. They can SCORE on ANYBODY! I will be shocked if CH is not still playing in Rd 3 or even deeper in the playoffs. They are a REALLY good football team, and are BY FAR the best team Kilgore has seen all year.

CH hung 5 TDs on the #2 Team in 4A
CH hung 4 TDs on the #1 Team in 3A

So you must be saying that Kilgore's defense (the one who 5 nights ago gave up 300+ yards to a one dimensional 3-5 team that gave the ball to you 6 TIMES and you STILL only beat by 18 points) is going to stop CH?

You don't think CH can score their season average on THAT defense? Then your assumption CAN ONLY be that Kilgore is on par or better than Whitehouse or Gilmer. If they are, then Halloween must come on October 18th in Kilgore, because whoever that was masquerading as the "Ragin Red" at Jack Murphy Stadium last week sure had some authentic looking costumes. But as soon as the game started, it was easy to
see that was NOT a "Top 5"team. We're about to find out if that was an aberration.


all ah dem ar good points, even wit dat, I think kilgo, got a wak up call, but da are playn a much betta team in da Hill. Da hill gon step it up and take kilgo to da wood shed!

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:45 AM

Gladewater had 51 carries for 185 yds. That's not really anything to write home about. Kilgore had about 50 more yds of offense and ran 22 fewer plays than Gwater. We also had a 60 yd TD run called back, a 55 yd run called back, and a pick 6 called back. It was an ugly game, but it was never in doubt.


face it ya'l aint as good as u think u is period.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:48 AM

face it ya'l aint as good as u think u is period.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:12 AM

 
What the hell.  Who has kilgore played? Lol prestonwood? no. Daingerfield? no. list goes on.  tougher schedule goes to gilmer


True.

IMO, Kilgore has played the 'weaker' schedule out of all the teams in district.

Doesn't mean they can't beat really good teams. They just haven't had to, yet.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:33 AM

Otay.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:38 AM

Otay.


sorry I still spel #### how it souns lol..pluss I had 3 concussions in hs. so aint very good talkr. an dang sho didn do no good in English haha.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

sorry I still spel #### how it souns lol..pluss I had 3 concussions in hs. so aint very good talkr. an dang sho didn do no good in English haha.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:49 PM

 

 

On the pick 6, penalty happened after the interception so you still kept the ball only to throw an interception of your own into the endzone where a Bear made a mistake of trying to return it and ended up fumbling giving y'all the ball on the Bear 26. You gained 4 yards in 3 plays and kicked a 39 yrd FG. 

 

You forgot the 6 completions we had compared to 2 for Kilgore. OK, so the Bears controlled the ball better than the Bulldogs. And that's even with the 5 fumbles and 1 interception. I know the Bulldogs had 3 fumbles and an interception of their own. 

 

Look, this thread isn't about the Bears. It's about Kilgore and Chapel Hill. The point of my post was that the Bears did shut down the Kilgore offense in the 2nd half. And that was an offense that still had their starters in the game. And your defense didn't really stop the Bears. The Bears stopped themselves. Gladewater only had 3 series that went 3 plays. One was a 3 & out. On another drive they fumbled on the 3rd play(which was the pitch out that Kilgore's defense caught in mid air and scored), and the other 3 play drive was the Gladewater score after a 64 yrd return of a Bulldog fumble. All their other series were longer. Kilgore's 1st 3 possessions of the 2nd half were all 3 & outs. The 4th one they fumbled on the 3rd play and the 5th possession was one of their longest and that was to run out the clock at the end of the game.

 

I'm sure none of the Kilgore fans in attendance ever thought the game was in doubt, but it sure gave the CH & Gilmer scouts something to look at.

 

And a large number of Gimer Scouts...took up practically a whole section...I wore Orange & Black with the "G"...the Bears & the Bux go too far back...yell for the Bears when we visit 'em in off week. Did a good job guys...now we got Walker & Mack @  A&M together


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:13 PM

Ok I get it.

1. Kilgore was sky high for the bears.

2.They showed every look they have to the Bux scout team.

3. They showed Gilmer and CH they are not as good as advertised. And they should have an easy win against Kilgore.

4. Hmmmm.........Kilgore showed the Bux and the CH Bulldogs exactly what they wanted to show them. lol

 

u people just think u know. We shall see.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:36 PM

Ok I get it.
1. Kilgore was sky high for the bears.
2.They showed every look they have to the Bux scout team.
3. They showed Gilmer and CH they are not as good as advertised. And they should have an easy win against Kilgore.
4. Hmmmm.........Kilgore showed the Bux and the CH Bulldogs exactly what they wanted to show them. lol
 
u people just think u know. We shall see.


So Kilgore played poorly ON PURPOSE just to give CH and Gilmer a sense of false confidence?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:31 PM

Good Grief  I never ever thought that I would be this big of a Chapel Hill fan this week. I surely hope the Yellow dogs beat up on the Red pups.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

Good Grief  I never ever thought that I would be this big of a Chapel Hill fan this week. I surely hope the Yellow dogs beat up on the Red pups.

 

lol just like the Bulldogs have spanked that Henderson #### on a regular basis. I would really be disappointed if any Henderson fan spoke fondly of KHS. Been a real sweet rivalry for many decades now. lol






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