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#1 etsc66

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 09:42 PM

I sat through the entire competition until the Tyler bands. This has got to be the screwiest marching contest I've ever encountered in my many years of competitions. Bands who should have gotten first divisions got twos; bands who should've gotten twos and threes got ones. Weird, weird, weird. With all that said - contest is contest and we take what the judges give us. For those of you who care, here are the results. Congratulations to all!

1A - Cushing 3, 3, 3
Tenaha 1, 1, 1
Joaquin 1, 2, 2
Carlisle 1, 1, 1
Overton 2, 3, 3
West Sabine 2, 3, 3

2A - Garrison 1, 2, 1
Troup 2, 1, 2
Shelbyville 2, 2, 2
Arp 2, 1, 2
Winona 1, 1, 1
West Rust 1, 2, 1
Tatum 2, 2, 2 (BTW - where was that "awesome" low brass section that some of you said they had?)
Elkhart 2, 2, 2
Timpson 1, 1, 1

3A - Brownsboro 1, 1, 1
Athens 1, 1, 1
Hudson 2, 2, 2
Carthage 1, 1, 1
Center 1, 1, 1
Diboll 2, 2, 2
Westwood 2, 3, 3
Rusk 1, 1, 1
Palestine 1, 2, 2
Huntington 3, 3, 3
Bullard 1, 1, 1
Van 1, 1, 1
Chapel Hill 1, 1, 1

4A - Nacogdoches 1, 1, 1
Lindale 1, 1, 1
Whitehouse 1, 1, 1
Jacksonville 1, 1, 1
Henderson 1, 1, 1
Hallsville 1, 1, 1

5A - Longview 1, 1, 1
Robert E. Lee
John Tyler

#2 etsc66

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 10:49 PM

There were a couple of close calls with the time limit. Longview finished its drill with 12.4 seconds left on the clock. Talk about cuttin' it close! Congratulations to Mr. Durham and Band!

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (etsc66 @ Oct 20 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There were a couple of close calls with the time limit. Longview finished its drill with 12.4 seconds left on the clock. Talk about cuttin' it close! Congratulations to Mr. Durham and Band!


Longview has always cut it close on their 8 minutes. When I was in band, there were times we were coming off the field as the time was hitting 0. Mr. Durham takes the 8 minutes seriously, and rarely has any time left on the clock at contest.
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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:56 PM

True, Mr. Durham has always cut it close, but I overheard Nick Durham tell someone that at Friday's rehearsal the band had gone over by 4 seconds. Everyone in the stands began to look at the clock at about 32 seconds. (There had been a couple of close calls with the time before Longview's performance.) There was an audible sigh of relief when it stopped. I have wondered if they cut out the final fanfare. Anybody know the answer to that one?



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Posted 21 October 2007 - 06:12 PM

Congrats to the Roaring Band from Tigerland on thier first ever 1,1,1 ratings..Good luck at area. You have represented your school with great pride and look great...Way to go Tenaha Tiger Band.. happy65.gif

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (tigers011 @ Oct 21 2007, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Congrats to the Roaring Band from Tigerland on thier first ever 1,1,1 ratings..Good luck at area. You have represented your school with great pride and look great...Way to go Tenaha Tiger Band.. happy65.gif


This is the second consecutive year for Tenaha to make a first division! They have every reason to be extremely proud of their accomplishments!

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:15 AM

Yeah second year 1st division rating..First year to make a 1,1,1.. Last year they received a 1,2,1..Good luck Tiger band..This band has come together and looks great and sounds great too. Good luck at Area.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:24 AM

Congratulations to the Garrison Bulldog band for making a 1. This is the first time in many years.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:22 PM

I do not know all the bands who have decided to attend NAMMB, but in case anyone is interested - November 10 at SFA.

As soon as I have a list of bands competing, I'll post.

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 08:13 AM

etsc66 -- I definitely agree with your original post. The judging did seem very strange. Couldn't figure out what they were looking for.

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 10:54 AM

I hope that the 'bands who should have gotten 2s and 3s got 1s' doesn't include Timpson. Personally I think Troup and Arp deserved 1. (The way Arp performed the previous Friday in Timpson was deserving of a 1 in itself) Good Job and Good Luck to all bands advancing to Area!

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 01:37 PM

I too thought that Arp and Troup deserved ones. Good luck to all those performing in Lufkin Saturday. thumbsup.gif

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 03:21 PM

I won't make any comments about who should or should not have gotten the ratings they received. What's done is done. However, I sat in the stands and was in the pressbox many times, and everyone seemed to making the same comments - no one could figure out what the judges wanted.
The problem seems to be that all the judges were corps judges - not one military judge on the panel. Another problem is that they were all big school directors. They just don't "get" the small school band concept. Most of them would never dream of putting 7th and 8th graders in their high school bands, but that is what most 1A and 2A schools have to do. Even small 3A schools will include 8th grade band students.

And then when you get to the big schools - why even look at the ratings? They'll all make ones, even though many of them have the very same problems that the small schools had - balance, tuning, not hitting the yard line the same, not putting their feet down together, getting separated if spread out, etc.

I'm interested in seeing if the small school bands will decide to break away and have their own contest as they had in the past. I don't want first divisions to be handed out just because they are small, but it should be a fair, consistent contest. I hope this panel is never asked to judge in Region 21 again.

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 06:29 PM

Does anyone know what song Palestine played?
West Rusk Raiders 2008

Aug. 28 at Harleton W 20-0

Sept. 5 at T.K. Gorman W 29-23

Sept. 12 New Diana W 26-19

Sept. 19 at Hughes Springs W 28-12

Sept. 26 Queen City W 57-7

Oct. 10 *Elkhart W 46-0

Oct. 17 *Frankston W 27-10

Oct. 24 *at Garrison W 49-35 p.m.

Oct. 31 *Troup L 14-20

Nov. 7 *at Arp L 29-8
Playoffs
Nov. 14 at Waxahachie vs. Hearne W 24-22
Nov. 21 at Gladewater vs. Dangerfield L 43-7

Raider Pride Never Dies!!!

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (WRraiderbandnerd09 @ Oct 25 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone know what song Palestine played?


from Barber of Seville

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (SFAFrog @ Oct 25 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
from Barber of Seville


okay thanks.
West Rusk Raiders 2008

Aug. 28 at Harleton W 20-0

Sept. 5 at T.K. Gorman W 29-23

Sept. 12 New Diana W 26-19

Sept. 19 at Hughes Springs W 28-12

Sept. 26 Queen City W 57-7

Oct. 10 *Elkhart W 46-0

Oct. 17 *Frankston W 27-10

Oct. 24 *at Garrison W 49-35 p.m.

Oct. 31 *Troup L 14-20

Nov. 7 *at Arp L 29-8
Playoffs
Nov. 14 at Waxahachie vs. Hearne W 24-22
Nov. 21 at Gladewater vs. Dangerfield L 43-7

Raider Pride Never Dies!!!

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 07:03 AM

QUOTE (etsc66 @ Oct 24 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I won't make any comments about who should or should not have gotten the ratings they received. What's done is done. However, I sat in the stands and was in the pressbox many times, and everyone seemed to making the same comments - no one could figure out what the judges wanted.
The problem seems to be that all the judges were corps judges - not one military judge on the panel. Another problem is that they were all big school directors. They just don't "get" the small school band concept. Most of them would never dream of putting 7th and 8th graders in their high school bands, but that is what most 1A and 2A schools have to do. Even small 3A schools will include 8th grade band students.

And then when you get to the big schools - why even look at the ratings? They'll all make ones, even though many of them have the very same problems that the small schools had - balance, tuning, not hitting the yard line the same, not putting their feet down together, getting separated if spread out, etc.

I'm interested in seeing if the small school bands will decide to break away and have their own contest as they had in the past. I don't want first divisions to be handed out just because they are small, but it should be a fair, consistent contest. I hope this panel is never asked to judge in Region 21 again.



I am not so sure that the judges were all Corps . You can look them up on the net. What I found when looking was a series of repeat judges over the last 5 or so years for sure. Quite often the same judge from concert and SR judges the next fall for marching ??? I did not see that pattern in anyother region when I looked as a matter of fact staticticaly over 62% of all judging in Region 21 UIL band was by teh same 11 judges over the last five years. I wonder of that makes it realistic . They are humans and can not go into it without preconceived notions or at least a memory of the past years. So if all continues the same we will see this panel of judges again.! To calrify it is not the same exact judging schedule but the same ones keep rotating in and out .

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE (idkman @ Oct 27 2008, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not so sure that the judges were all Corps . You can look them up on the net. What I found when looking was a series of repeat judges over the last 5 or so years for sure. Quite often the same judge from concert and SR judges the next fall for marching ??? I did not see that pattern in anyother region when I looked as a matter of fact staticticaly over 62% of all judging in Region 21 UIL band was by teh same 11 judges over the last five years. I wonder of that makes it realistic . They are humans and can not go into it without preconceived notions or at least a memory of the past years. So if all continues the same we will see this panel of judges again.! To calrify it is not the same exact judging schedule but the same ones keep rotating in and out .


Check the date. My comments were about the 2007 marching contest. This year we had two military judges and one corps.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 08:30 AM

QUOTE (etsc66 @ Oct 27 2008, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Check the date. My comments were about the 2007 marching contest. This year we had two military judges and one corps.


I do appologise

#20 etsc66

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 03:02 PM

No need to apologize. I did the same thing when I first started posting.




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