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#1 Minoh

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 10:56 AM

Cougar sighted crossing road 3 days ago. Yep long tail and all. Two days ago we had a dog in the neighbor hood disappear. Same night a med size dog has a claw mark the full lengh of his body. So the at jumped a chain lengh fence to get into a back yard. Another cat showed up in this area about a yr ago, killed some local animals and then left. So he is back. Mt. Piasciga and West point road, outside Liberty City, When he comes thru he seems to stay along a creek bottom in the area.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:08 PM

They do tend to migrate that way. They can cover quite a few miles.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 02:38 PM

yup i seen him too.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 11:15 AM

yep i talked to somebody that saw a cougar in newlondon

yep i talked to somebody that saw a cougar in newlondon

yep i talked to somebody that saw a cougar in newlondon

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 12:58 PM

I saw a Chupacabra chasing a few juvenile sasquatch around the pasture the other day. They were all being chased by a alien spacecraft.

Got any pics of these Cats in east texas?

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:16 PM

RISK: Cougars in East Texas?

By DR. PAUL RISK
The Daily Sentinel

Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Are there cougars in East Texas? You can start an intense debate at the drop of a hat with that question. The answer is yes, but in limited numbers. Human encroachment into their territory and changes brought about by housing developments, shopping malls and highways continually threaten and reduce their living space.

Cougars once inhabited most of the northern hemisphere from Canada to South America. Today, their range is much reduced and most people have never seen one in the wild. When they are observed, often only a fleeting glimpse is provided as the animal silently melts into the forest.

Most Texas cougars now live in west, south-central and south Texas, but scattered populations are found throughout the state. Neighbors of ours have seen what are clearly mountain lion tracks on their property, and one family who lives in a heavily forested area of the east-northeast part of Nacogdoches frequently see a full-grown lion. Of all things, it rather routinely wanders into their back yard, stretches out and suns itself.

Cougars go by a number of names, including mountain lion, puma and catamount. Secretive, predatory cats, they have developed almost a cult mythology. Their speed and deadly efficiency in pursuing prey are legend. Coupled with an almost magical ability to remain hidden in their environment, the cougar is truly an amazing animal.

Large cats, cougars can weight more than 165 pounds and be up to 8 feet long. Females generally weigh about 100 pounds. They are yellowish buff in color with relatively short hair and a long tail that they use for balance in chases after prey. Males have a wide range of 25 to 500 square miles. An expert predator, they are definitely not vegan or vegetarian. In the wild, their food includes rabbits, feral hogs, mice and rats, bats, birds, cattle and sheep.

Texas Parks and Wildlife biologists report that cougar populations are progressively increasing in Texas. Some of the reasons for that include an increasing number of white-tailed deer. Food supplies may also be growing due to the large number of outdoor dogs and cats that people in rural and suburban allow to run free. Both coyotes and cougars consider canine and feline food fine fare!

Do cougars attack humans? Sometimes they do. Joggers, hikers and cyclists in California have been attacked and severely mauled by them. In 1983 a woman near Harlingen was injured while defending her children against a mountain lion, and in 2003 a man in Fort Worth was attacked.

A TPWD brochure entitled "Mountain Lions in Texas" provides the following recommendations, if you see a mountain lion:

Never approach the lion to get a better view or picture.

Pick up small children to prevent them from running and triggering an attack.

Stay calm, talk calmly and slowly back away, keeping eye contact with the mountain lion. Do not run or turn your back.

Do what you can to appear larger by raising your arms or waving a stick.

If the lion is aggressive, throw rocks or sticks and speak firmly and loudly.

Fight back, if a lion attacks you. Lions can be driven off by fighting back. Do not play dead. Even children have successfully driven off a mountain lion by fighting back.

Report all aggressive mountain lion behavior.

In reality, the chance of seeing a mountain lion in East Texas is slim, and an attack is highly unlikely. Personally, I would be thrilled to see a lion here. If you see one, I want to know all the details, and so would the TPWD.

To me, cougars are just another example of the amazing diversity in the fields and forests of East Texas. And even though there is an open season on them, I prefer to live and let live.

Dr. Paul Risk is a professor emeritus in the College of Forestry and Agriculture at SFA, Nacogdoches, Texas. E-mail: prisk@sfasu.edu

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:18 PM

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Mountain lions deserve to be fair game

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Orie Gilad would like to elevate the status of Texas mountain lions from varmints to game animals. Gilad is director of the Research and Conservation Program for Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation Inc. of Kendalia, Texas.

The organization has announced plans to present the Texas Legislature with a Texas Mountain Lion Initiative. The initiative upshot is that the lions' non-game status amounts to no status. A change to game status under a responsible, adaptive wildlife management plan would be good for the state's biggest mammalian predator, according to WRRI.

I have to agree with Gilad that mountain lions are terrific animals and, as former Texas Parks and Wildlife executive director Andy Sansom once said, we shouldn't be killing them like cockroaches.

There's just one problem with helping mountain lions. They're doing fine without our help. Despite the fact that I've never even seen a mountain lion in the wild, I have too much respect for these wonderful animals to entrust their fate to the Texas Legislature.

San Antonio, for instance, closed three city parks earlier this month after a series of mountain lion sightings near I-10 on the city's northwest side. TP&W investigators found no physical evidence of a big cat's presence but that doesn't mean much. A month earlier, a car flattened a 3-year-old female mountain lion on a San Antonio I-10 service road about two miles from the new Bass Pro store.

John Young is a TP&W biologist who tracks mountain lions, mostly via the telephone or the Internet. Though lion sightings have been reported in every Texas county, most reported sightings are not particularly believable.

Young does the best he can to document mountain lion mortalities, however. TP&W has been tracking those numbers since 1983. Though the highest annual mortality number is 88 since that time, lion mortality averages about 30 certifiable deaths a year.

Most of those mountain lion deaths are the result of being hit by an automobile, caught in a trap or whacked by a bullet. There are still government trappers who respond to complaints by ranchers and attempt to catch or kill problem lions. The number of lions killed by trappers has been documented since 1919.

Deer hunters pick off an occasional big cat, including those who learn deer hunting is good near a corn feeder. There are a handful of guys in West Texas who maintain hound packs and actively hunt mountain lions, often following behind the chase on horses or mules.

Most Texas lions sightings occur in West or South Texas, but mountain lions are travelers by nature. That's how they wind up in places like Jack County, a short drive northwest of Fort Worth; Wood County, about 100 miles east of Dallas; and Bosque County, 90 miles southwest of the city.

A lion tagged in South Dakota wound up in Oklahoma. A Utah lion fitted with a GPS tracking device wandered into Idaho, then back through Utah and into Colorado. The female lion covered 950 miles. Males tend to move longer distances.

TP&W officials do not attempt to count mountain lions, which are very secretive animals. Texas A&M did perform a DNA analysis on samples taken from 89 lions in West and South Texas and fed the results to a computer, which estimated 5,600 breeding animals were involved in that DNA sample. Young suspects that number could be on the conservative side.

Oregon, which does protect mountain lions as game animals, estimates its population at more than 5,000. British Columbia, which has experienced more lion attacks on humans than any other place, estimates its big cat population at 4,000 to 6,000.

In short, mountain lions are about as abundant in Texas as anywhere. Young said Texas mountain lions may be at an all-time population high. They're doing fine in spite of humans. They don't need to hear those dreaded words "We're from the government and we're here to help you."


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Posted 16 February 2008 - 03:21 PM

I thought that these two articles provided some interesting reading. It is amazing to know that mountain lions have been known to cover up to 950 documented miles. With information like that it tells you the most likely migrate through all parts of Texas all of the time.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 04:06 PM

Very interesting articles, but i still haven't seen one, or a pic, or a game camera pic, or one dead by a hunter, or from the roadside in east texas. Not to discredit the above articles, but come on you have to show me something for me to buy the big cat tales!

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 04:54 PM

There are definately mountain lions in Texas, and some of them may indeed be moving East. I just think that a lot of these sightings are your basic UFO variety, especially the "black" panthers. I, myself, have seen a pair of tracks that looked like they were obviously from a cat, but were the size of a large Rottweiler. This was in the Frankston area. Were they from a big cat.....who knows?

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Immortal13 @ Feb 16 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are definately mountain lions in Texas, and some of them may indeed be moving East. I just think that a lot of these sightings are your basic UFO variety, especially the "black" panthers. I, myself, have seen a pair of tracks that looked like they were obviously from a cat, but were the size of a large Rottweiler. This was in the Frankston area. Were they from a big cat.....who knows?

In texas i agree, in east texas i don't buy it!

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 08:55 PM

as i've previously posted, i saw a black panther back when i was in high school. it was in the dalton/marietta area
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Posted 17 February 2008 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (clawsnstripes @ Feb 16 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as i've previously posted, i saw a black panther back when i was in high school. it was in the dalton/marietta area


I saw one yesterday. It lives just up the street on the Bullard Middle School sign. thumbsup.gif


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Posted 17 February 2008 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (Immortal13 @ Feb 17 2008, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw one yesterday. It lives just up the street on the Bullard Middle School sign. thumbsup.gif


mine was alive and well

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 04:00 PM

How many have seen Otters, Mink, Ring Tail Cats, or flying squirrels in the wild. Not a hole lot of people have and yet they are alive and well in East Texas.

The same doubting Thomas issue came up when people first started talking about seeing Aligators and Bald Eagles in East Texas. We know that there is an abundance of them now and that sightings are common.

T have even gotten into argument swith people over the existance of Geckos and horney Toads in East Texas because they ahve never seen them. There are also plenty of those around here. Heck, I have a whole familty of Geckos that live around the eves of my house. They only some out at night so they are not seen during the day. Best natural cure for spiders taht I have ever seen and they moved in on their own. I leave then alone as long as they keep the insects at bay.

I give these examples to say that even though you have not seen one that does not mean they do not exist. When you do finally see one no one will convince you of anything any different.

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (Medman7 @ Feb 18 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many have seen Otters, Mink, Ring Tail Cats, or flying squirrels in the wild. Not a hole lot of people have and yet they are alive and well in East Texas.

The same doubting Thomas issue came up when people first started talking about seeing Aligators and Bald Eagles in East Texas. We know that there is an abundance of them now and that sightings are common.

T have even gotten into argument swith people over the existance of Geckos and horney Toads in East Texas because they ahve never seen them. There are also plenty of those around here. Heck, I have a whole familty of Geckos that live around the eves of my house. They only some out at night so they are not seen during the day. Best natural cure for spiders taht I have ever seen and they moved in on their own. I leave then alone as long as they keep the insects at bay.

I give these examples to say that even though you have not seen one that does not mean they do not exist. When you do finally see one no one will convince you of anything any different.



What I'm talking about is the "black panther" myth. There has NEVER been a recorded specimen of a black panther in the United States. None. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. I gave a link on the other "panther" thread.

Some of the other animals you listed are quite common in East Texas. I have seen otters on several occasions and flying squirrells are all over, but they are nocturnal, small, and live in the trees.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (Medman7 @ Feb 18 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many have seen Otters, Mink, Ring Tail Cats, or flying squirrels in the wild. Not a hole lot of people have and yet they are alive and well in East Texas.

The same doubting Thomas issue came up when people first started talking about seeing Aligators and Bald Eagles in East Texas. We know that there is an abundance of them now and that sightings are common.

T have even gotten into argument swith people over the existance of Geckos and horney Toads in East Texas because they ahve never seen them. There are also plenty of those around here. Heck, I have a whole familty of Geckos that live around the eves of my house. They only some out at night so they are not seen during the day. Best natural cure for spiders taht I have ever seen and they moved in on their own. I leave then alone as long as they keep the insects at bay.

I give these examples to say that even though you have not seen one that does not mean they do not exist. When you do finally see one no one will convince you of anything any different.

I have also never seen a zebra, water buffalo, baboon, or bengal tiger. I know these animals exist like the moutain lion, just not in et.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Immortal13 @ Feb 18 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I'm talking about is the "black panther" myth. There has NEVER been a recorded specimen of a black panther in the United States. None. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. I gave a link on the other "panther" thread.

Some of the other animals you listed are quite common in East Texas. I have seen otters on several occasions and flying squirrells are all over, but they are nocturnal, small, and live in the trees.


well the "myth" looked right at my entire family from about 15 feet away and jumped out of the tree it was in and scampered back into the woods behind our house. this is also not an opinion, but a fact. i remember even though it's been years that it was an absolutely beautiful creature.

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QUOTE (Immortal13 @ Feb 18 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I'm talking about is the "black panther" myth. There has NEVER been a recorded specimen of a black panther in the United States. None. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. I gave a link on the other "panther" thread.

Some of the other animals you listed are quite common in East Texas. I have seen otters on several occasions and flying squirrells are all over, but they are nocturnal, small, and live in the trees.



Just because there has never been a recorded specimen doesn't mean they don't exist. Scientist said the coelacanth had been extinct for thousands of years, until one showed up.

There are black jaguars in South America and Mexico. It is not outside the realm of possibility that some have stretched their territory, migrated north and east for whatever reason, into east Texas. I have friends who have a ranch in NW Lamar County. They have seen what they described as a large black cat, built not unlike a jaguar or puma.

I've never seen one. But I have no reason to believe my friends or clawsnstripes would lie. Whether someone else believes it or not is really not relevant to the possibility of their existance, nor the sightings.

I guess the question that begs asking is "Is there even the slightest possibility they might exist, and if so, could they have for whatever reason moved into east Texas?" And the obvious answer to both of those questions is "Yes."

http://en.wikipedia....i/Black_panther

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 11:12 AM

With some teritorialy moving close to a thousand miles they could esily get up her from old Mexico.
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