spacegolfer
Oct 11 2009, 09:26 PM
There is absolutely no reason for him to even be in game, much less passing the ball. It's 31-9 with 2:30 to go.
geauxtiger3
Oct 12 2009, 01:26 PM
did Peyton call you and tell you that?
THSfanatic
Oct 12 2009, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 11 2009, 10:26 PM)

There is absolutely no reason for him to even be in game, much less passing the ball. It's 31-9 with 2:30 to go.
No !!!! Tell me it ain't so.
spacegolfer
Oct 12 2009, 02:08 PM
Imagine the QB's that over the years come out early or just start running the clock to close a game. I think it's great to have stellar stats like Brady and Manning. But both have done this countless times when the game is over. I do understand you need to pass some to keep a drive moving.
LinemanPride
Oct 12 2009, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 12 2009, 03:08 PM)

Imagine the QB's that over the years come out early or just start running the clock to close a game. I think it's great to have stellar stats like Brady and Manning. But both have done this countless times when the game is over. I do understand you need to pass some to keep a drive moving.
Actually Brady really hasn't had that impressive of stats except for 2007. Its his 3 rings that makes him great.
chase.colston
Oct 13 2009, 09:38 AM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 11 2009, 10:26 PM)

There is absolutely no reason for him to even be in game, much less passing the ball. It's 31-9 with 2:30 to go.
BayouBengal
Oct 13 2009, 10:10 AM
It's Manning's job to go score, its the defense's job to stop him.
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 10:27 AM
QUOTE (BayouBengal @ Oct 13 2009, 12:10 PM)

It's Manning's job to go score, its the defense's job to stop him.
Wow that was brilliant.
Rhino2K
Oct 13 2009, 11:27 AM
Manning has been selected to the Pro Bowl nine times. He has a multitude of playoff victories under his belt, including a SuperBowl MVP. I think that he has earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants to do.
"
Peyton" envy.....don't u hate it??!!
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Rhino2K @ Oct 13 2009, 01:27 PM)

Manning has been selected to the Pro Bowl nine times. He has a multitude of playoff victories under his belt, including a SuperBowl MVP. I think that he has earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants to do.
"
Peyton" envy.....don't u hate it??!!


You sound like a real "stand up sports guy"! You seem to need lessons in sportsmanship. Wins or losses or Pro Bowls or any other accolades do not give any special passes on the field. Padding stats at the sake of a team that has already been defeated is a low life. I don't care who you are.
chase.colston
Oct 13 2009, 12:06 PM
You can call it padding stats, but in reality it's simply moving the ball. If he really wanted to pad stats, he would have been throwing the ball downfield to score and not just try to get first downs. Manning's longest pass in the entire second half was 15 yards, and that was catch-and-run on third down.
Do your homework before you think you can chastise the best quarterback in the game.
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 13 2009, 02:06 PM)

You can call it padding stats, but in reality it's simply moving the ball. If he really wanted to pad stats, he would have been throwing the ball downfield to score and not just try to get first downs. Manning's longest pass in the entire second half was 15 yards, and that was catch-and-run on third down.
Do your homework before you think you can chastise the best quarterback in the game.
Anyone knows that you run time off the clock late in games. You don't have to pad lots of yards. It could be lots of completions for average on safe passes. It is fact that Manning and others do this late in games. Do your homework.
Best QB in the game? LOL!
goldandwhite
Oct 13 2009, 12:47 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 13 2009, 01:40 PM)

Anyone knows that you run time off the clock late in games. You don't have to pad lots of yards. It could be lots of completions for average on safe passes. It is fact that Manning and others do this late in games. Do your homework.
Best QB in the game? LOL!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/143427-...t-again-in-2009
Rhino2K
Oct 13 2009, 01:18 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 13 2009, 01:00 PM)


You sound like a real "stand up sports guy"! You seem to need lessons in sportsmanship. Wins or losses or Pro Bowls or any other accolades do not give any special passes on the field. Padding stats at the sake of a team that has already been defeated is a low life. I don't care who you are.
Guess you didn't key in to my sarcasm. Like many who frequent this fine site, I've participated in several sports on the high school-level including track and football. My high school football team went 3-7 my senior year. I don't need lessons in sportsmanship.
If Manning had a star on his helmet instead of a horseshoe, I have a feeling this would be a "non-issue."
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 01:51 PM
QUOTE (Rhino2K @ Oct 13 2009, 03:18 PM)

Guess you didn't key in to my sarcasm. Like many who frequent this fine site, I've participated in several sports on the high school-level including track and football. My high school football team went 3-7 my senior year. I don't need lessons in sportsmanship.
If Manning had a star on his helmet instead of a horseshoe, I have a feeling this would be a "non-issue."

I have never been a fan of anyone padding stats. Romo included. Even my high school has had lopsided scores. When the bench is in the whole second half I say let em play. But your talking about starters and individuals that seem to be playing for themselves and not the team.
Sorry about not hearing your sarcasm.
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (goldandwhite @ Oct 13 2009, 02:47 PM)

Ok I'm not going to get into this again. But here is just another one of 100's of "who's the best". Now I'm not saying I agree just that it is another one. It would carry just as much validity as one I would come up with. After all I slept in a Holiday Inn Express once.
BTW yours is from a local article up here in Indy by an Indy writer. Not to mention his vast experience and knowledge from being 21 years old.
http://www.psacard.com/articles/article2868.chtml
chase.colston
Oct 13 2009, 02:14 PM
Who is better then, Mr. The Cowboys Are Going To The Super Bowl This Season?
spacegolfer
Oct 13 2009, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 13 2009, 04:14 PM)

Who is better then, Mr. The Cowboys Are Going To The Super Bowl This Season?
"Ok I'm not going to get into this again". I had just stated this in last post. I will say that I believe that several are better (or has been).
chase.colston
Oct 13 2009, 02:41 PM
Tell me, who in the league right now is better than Peyton Manning?
ramsn03
Oct 13 2009, 03:16 PM
He thinks Romo is, believes he's the great one, superman, but really he's just a wanna be who can't win the big games, but you can't tell spacegolfer that.
chase.colston
Oct 13 2009, 04:02 PM
Crickets.
purplemonkeydishwasher
Oct 13 2009, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 13 2009, 05:02 PM)

Crickets.
lol
Who cares if they pad stats!!! I agree that its your job on D to just stop it from happening. Your in the freakin NFL for crying out loud. If you cant stop someone from running up stats on you, then you should be embarrased......
Im a huge cowboy fan, but ROMO is way overrated. You can polish a tur d all you want,......its still a tur d.
THSfanatic
Oct 13 2009, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (purplemonkeydishwasher @ Oct 13 2009, 05:10 PM)

I agree that its your job on D to just stop it from happening.
While that is true, it's an unwritten rule. Like not showing up a pitcher in baseball, stealing signs via video-tape (Patriots), or pressing in basketball when you are ahead by 50. I still remember the Eagles with Buddy Ryan going after a kicker with a cheap shot and faking a kneal down at the end of a Dallas game to run up the score. Most of the Eagles players were upset & apologized after the incidents. Class is something that the games need more of.
I agree Peyton Manning is probably the best QB in the NFL, but IMO there were plenty of times
in the past where he padded his stats.
purplemonkeydishwasher
Oct 13 2009, 07:58 PM
High stats mean high $..........Id do the same. Its a dog eat dog world. Money makes the world go round. If you got it, flaunt it.......
Ok, ill stop.....
BayouBengal
Oct 14 2009, 07:29 AM
Manning is just a competitor......period.
chase.colston
Oct 14 2009, 02:20 PM
Still crickets. Hello?
THSfanatic
Oct 14 2009, 07:22 PM
Are you obsessed with Gryllidaes?
chase.colston
Oct 14 2009, 08:41 PM
Only when Mr. Spacegolfer can't answer a simple question.
Dear Mr. Spacegolfer,
What quarterback in the NFL is better than Peyton Manning?
Cordially,
MantleLives4Ever
Mavgrad98
Oct 16 2009, 12:12 AM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 13 2009, 03:41 PM)

Tell me, who in the league right now is better than Peyton Manning?
Statistically...no one. (Brees is pretty dang hot right now though) However, Romo isnt as bad as folks claim. There are a lot of QB's under Romo statistically.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1
spacegolfer
Oct 16 2009, 10:54 AM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 14 2009, 10:41 PM)

Only when Mr. Spacegolfer can't answer a simple question.
Dear Mr. Spacegolfer,
What quarterback in the NFL is better than Peyton Manning?
Cordially,
MantleLives4Ever
You can make a case for several different QB's.
out2prove
Oct 16 2009, 11:19 AM
Peyton Manning is the best QB in the game right now at this very moment...not just with statistics but with game management...
BayouBengal
Oct 16 2009, 12:23 PM
QUOTE (out2prove @ Oct 16 2009, 12:19 PM)

Peyton Manning is the best QB in the game right now at this very moment...not just with statistics but with game management...
Agreed. But people won't accept that.....for whatever reason....just like people won't accept that Romo won't take the Cowgirls to the next level.....
THSfanatic
Oct 16 2009, 12:30 PM
QUOTE (BayouBengal @ Oct 16 2009, 01:23 PM)

Agreed. But people won't accept that..
It's debatable. I agree with you, but to prove the point you'd have to have identical teams & then see who the best QB is. Adrian Peterson is
maybe the best RB and Larry Fitzgerald is
maybe the best WR, but it's all opinion.
BayouBengal
Oct 16 2009, 12:43 PM
Point taken......just my opinion....
chase.colston
Oct 16 2009, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 16 2009, 11:54 AM)

You can make a case for several different QB's.
Seriously, you come back and respond and
STILL can't name a
specific quarterback better than Peyton Manning? All I want is a name! Is that so hard?
It must be, because you haven't given a name yet.
sonoman24
Oct 16 2009, 01:22 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 16 2009, 01:51 PM)

Seriously, you come back and respond and STILL can't name a specific quarterback better than Peyton Manning? All I want is a name! Is that so hard?
It must be, because you haven't given a name yet.
It would seem his fingers wrote a check his "statbook" couldn't cash
spacegolfer
Oct 16 2009, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (sonoman24 @ Oct 16 2009, 03:22 PM)

It would seem his fingers wrote a check his "statbook" couldn't cash
Over the last 3 games Eli Manning and Ben Roth. have been better. Fingers still work. It all depends on where you want to grab your info. You could also put in the formula, playoffs, playoffs won/loss, super bowls and super bowls won/loss. There are more combos and you will get a different result with each. So figure out which one is best for your guy and move on. There will never be a clear cut winner in this argument.
BTW Brees has fallen in the last three weeks. He started hot and has tapered off.
ramsn03
Oct 16 2009, 03:35 PM
QUOTE (spacegolfer @ Oct 16 2009, 04:10 PM)

Over the last 3 games Eli Manning and Ben Roth. have been better. Fingers still work. It all depends on where you want to grab your info. You could also put in the formula, playoffs, playoffs won/loss, super bowls and super bowls won/loss. There are more combos and you will get a different result with each. So figure out which one is best for your guy and move on. There will never be a clear cut winner in this argument.
BTW Brees has fallen in the last three weeks. He started hot and has tapered off.
My gosh you just don't get it, his team is winning, ever heard the saying "you play to win the game", obviously not since your all about the stats, I don't care if QB goes 3-20 with 3 INT's if they win I'm happy, somehow you haven't ever grasped that concept.
I've never seen someone so hung up on stats, you just don't get it. Now I see why you love Romo, he gets big stats and loses, just what you are looking ofr.
spacegolfer
Oct 16 2009, 04:20 PM
QUOTE (ramsn03 @ Oct 16 2009, 05:35 PM)

My gosh you just don't get it, his team is winning, ever heard the saying "you play to win the game", obviously not since your all about the stats, I don't care if QB goes 3-20 with 3 INT's if they win I'm happy, somehow you haven't ever grasped that concept.
I've never seen someone so hung up on stats, you just don't get it. Now I see why you love Romo, he gets big stats and loses, just what you are looking ofr.
Interesting how you contradict yourself.
chase.colston
Oct 16 2009, 04:24 PM
So, Eli Manning is better than Peyton Manning. Yet, Tony Romo is better than Eli Manning.
By your words, Tony Romo is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning.
You're trying to judge things by a three-game span. Incorrect. Your credibility is hereby revoked. No normal, functioning, casual or fanatical, football fan would EVER say that Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are better quarterbacks than Peyton Manning.
spacegolfer
Oct 16 2009, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 16 2009, 06:24 PM)

So, Eli Manning is better than Peyton Manning. Yet, Tony Romo is better than Eli Manning.
By your words, Tony Romo is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning.
You're trying to judge things by a three-game span. Incorrect. Your credibility is hereby revoked. No normal, functioning, casual or fanatical, football fan would EVER say that Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are better quarterbacks than Peyton Manning.

It all depends on when you and what parameters you choose to judge them by. Your statement was "name a specific quarterback better than Peyton Manning" and "Tell me, who in the league right now is better than Peyton Manning". Right now these two are playing better than Peyton. Tony will be better before its all said and done. Favre is another QB that I would consider better. Aikman is consider better. I can go on and on. I've never change my thoughts on Romo and Peyton. You already knew my thoughts on that. It just doesn't do any good going over the same things over and over. Your not going to change my mind and I know I'm right. My opinion is as valid any one else's.
chase.colston
Oct 16 2009, 09:19 PM
The fact that your "opinion" thinks that Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger Tony Romo is/will be a better quarterback than Peyton Manning only tells me that you need therapy. No quarterback in this league, in this season, this week or last week, is playing better ball than Peyton.
Loftin74
Oct 16 2009, 11:52 PM
I think I've beaten this dead horse into the ground, but Romo will ever be on the same tier as Peyton.
I mean seriously golfer, I know you are a cowboys fan, but can you seriously believe that Tony Romo, an average quarterback at best, will someday be better than a 3 time (looking for a fourth) league MVP?
You've been saying for a while that Romo will be better than Manning and as of yet I haven't seen him out perform Peyton at all.
DaveTV1
Oct 17 2009, 09:16 PM
QUOTE (Loftin74 @ Oct 17 2009, 12:52 AM)

I think I've beaten this dead horse into the ground, but Romo will ever be on the same tier as Peyton.
I mean seriously golfer, I know you are a cowboys fan, but can you seriously believe that Tony Romo, an average quarterback at best, will someday be better than a 3 time (looking for a fourth) league MVP?
You've been saying for a while that Romo will be better than Manning and as of yet I haven't seen him out perform Peyton at all.
I'll help Spacegolfer. Tony led the Cowboys to 21-14 victory in 2006, doesn't that mean something ? He beat Peyton in his only attempt.
chase.colston
Oct 18 2009, 12:38 PM
I was at that game, and it wasn't because of Tony Romo that the Cowboys won.
CoachBennett
Oct 18 2009, 01:22 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 18 2009, 01:38 PM)

I was at that game, and it wasn't because of Tony Romo that the Cowboys won.
I disagree..no Tony did not have a TD pass in the game, but he had a completition % of like 83% and did good job of moving the chains that day
spacegolfer
Oct 18 2009, 07:22 PM
QUOTE (MantleLives4Ever @ Oct 18 2009, 02:38 PM)

I was at that game, and it wasn't because of Tony Romo that the Cowboys won.
Actually it was because of Tony that day. He played QB for the Cowboys. You see you can't even give credit when he plays good. Dallas' defense played well also. Peyton kept trying to give the game away. He fumbled twice and had two ints. He choked trying to keep his 9-0 record intact. Could not even complete half his passes.
How's that? Sounds like you talking bad about Romo.
Being at the game give's you less insight than watching on tv. So pointing that out does nothing for your case.
WestRusk85
Oct 18 2009, 10:32 PM
Peyton is the best QB in the NFL. Romo will never be as good as Peyton Manning or over half the QB's playing the game right now.
85lobo
Oct 19 2009, 11:28 AM
Peyton is the best QB in football right now, hands down. I know he only has 1 ring and so on and so on, but look what the man does. No one in the league now or in the last several years has been as solid and consistent as Peyton.
THSfanatic
Oct 19 2009, 12:25 PM
QUOTE (85lobo @ Oct 19 2009, 12:28 PM)

Peyton is the best QB in football right now, hands down.
Probably so. But Brees & Brady are definitely in the conversation.
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